sponsra Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/d...rance-lost.html Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240989-deliverence-lost-text-has-been-changed-at-bl-website/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Tancred Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 It would have been interesting if we could have found out how Corax escaped Istervan(sp?) but this looks pretty cool too. Interesting step to take including the Alpha Legion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240989-deliverence-lost-text-has-been-changed-at-bl-website/#findComment-2910227 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torvak Kyre Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 It would have been interesting if we could have found out how Corax escaped Istervan(sp?) but this looks pretty cool too. Interesting step to take including the Alpha Legion. You find out at the end of Ravens Flight and Face of treachery. Looks very interesting Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240989-deliverence-lost-text-has-been-changed-at-bl-website/#findComment-2910232 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crimson Cartel Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Anyone remember What it said before it was changed? -CC Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240989-deliverence-lost-text-has-been-changed-at-bl-website/#findComment-2910558 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Ignis Domus Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 It should be relatively easy to find the thread filled with raging fans... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240989-deliverence-lost-text-has-been-changed-at-bl-website/#findComment-2910577 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elric the Silvercoat Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Its always the Alpha Legion. They were the ones that really started the Heresy just Horus was the one that got blamed. Really if something goes right or wrong its the Alpha Legion. Remember look to your right and to your left. There is a 50/50 chance that one of the people next to you are Alpha Legionnaires. And remember if you look in the mirror you may remember that you are an Alpha Legionnaire aswell. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240989-deliverence-lost-text-has-been-changed-at-bl-website/#findComment-2910580 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coryphaus 101 Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Its always the Alpha Legion. They were the ones that really started the Heresy just Horus was the one that got blamed. Really if something goes right or wrong its the Alpha Legion. Remember look to your right and to your left. There is a 50/50 chance that one of the people next to you are Alpha Legionnaires. And remember if you look in the mirror you may remember that you are an Alpha Legionnaire aswell. Humans never do wrong. It's simply the Alpha Legion framing them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240989-deliverence-lost-text-has-been-changed-at-bl-website/#findComment-2910591 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elric the Silvercoat Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Its always the Alpha Legion. They were the ones that really started the Heresy just Horus was the one that got blamed. Really if something goes right or wrong its the Alpha Legion. Remember look to your right and to your left. There is a 50/50 chance that one of the people next to you are Alpha Legionnaires. And remember if you look in the mirror you may remember that you are an Alpha Legionnaire aswell. Humans never do wrong. It's simply the Alpha Legion framing them. Yes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240989-deliverence-lost-text-has-been-changed-at-bl-website/#findComment-2910615 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sponsra Posted October 28, 2011 Author Share Posted October 28, 2011 Here's the thread with the old text: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...howtopic=236286 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240989-deliverence-lost-text-has-been-changed-at-bl-website/#findComment-2910956 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yogi Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 Yeah its sounds better this way. Glad they changed it,. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240989-deliverence-lost-text-has-been-changed-at-bl-website/#findComment-2910959 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGXH Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 Its always the Alpha Legion. They were the ones that really started the Heresy just Horus was the one that got blamed. Really if something goes right or wrong its the Alpha Legion. Remember look to your right and to your left. There is a 50/50 chance that one of the people next to you are Alpha Legionnaires. And remember if you look in the mirror you may remember that you are an Alpha Legionnaire aswell. If none of the above apply, you may in fact be Alpharius yourself. or Omegon. Or both. Or Neither. http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/photos/images/newsfeed/000/185/168/misc-jackie-chan-l.png?1318992465 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240989-deliverence-lost-text-has-been-changed-at-bl-website/#findComment-2910975 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 It was hardly insulting the first time round. And if people read Faces of Treachary they'd know he DOES owe his survival to the Alpha Legion. It's just another example of people over reacting to a plot device because their favourite character/faction/whatever isn't all knowing and the best. The Heresy series HAS to have losers, not every battle can end in a draw so the respective fans aren't offended. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240989-deliverence-lost-text-has-been-changed-at-bl-website/#findComment-2911037 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiberium40k Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 I`m glad they changed it. And if people read Faces of Treachary they'd know he DOES owe his survival to the Alpha Legion. Apparently not, if you believe MadDoc. It's just another example of people over reacting to a plot device because their favourite character/faction/whatever isn't all knowing and the best. The Heresy series HAS to have losers, not every battle can end in a draw so the respective fans aren't offended. Wow, I never would have thought you of all people would write such a condescending post. But just to put it out there, there is a slight difference between "the Raven Guard got mauled on Istvaan V and managed to escape" (which has been canon for ages) and "Corax and the Raven Guard own their entire exsistance to a traitor legion". Corax and the Raven Guard aren`t even among my 5 most favourite legions, but I felt they did not deserve such treatment. Angry replies coming in 3, 2, 1... :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240989-deliverence-lost-text-has-been-changed-at-bl-website/#findComment-2911066 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sponsra Posted October 28, 2011 Author Share Posted October 28, 2011 Insults are in the eye of the, eh, insulted.... Edit: Am I being weird now? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240989-deliverence-lost-text-has-been-changed-at-bl-website/#findComment-2911067 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 I`m glad they changed it. And if people read Faces of Treachary they'd know he DOES owe his survival to the Alpha Legion. Apparently not, if you believe MadDoc. It's just another example of people over reacting to a plot device because their favourite character/faction/whatever isn't all knowing and the best. The Heresy series HAS to have losers, not every battle can end in a draw so the respective fans aren't offended. Wow, I never would have thought you of all people would write such a condescending post. But just to put it out there, there is a slight difference between "the Raven Guard got mauled on Istvaan V and managed to escape" (which has been canon for ages) and "Corax and the Raven Guard own their entire exsistance to a traitor legion". Corax and the Raven Guard aren`t even among my 5 most favourite legions, but I felt they did not deserve such treatment. Angry replies coming in 3, 2, 1... :D No condenscention intended, was written quite nonchalantly. Suppose text doesn't always portray the correct emotion intended. Point is still valid that it is a massive over reaction to be upset with the fact the Raven Guard were all but destroyed at Istvaan and does it really hurt feelings to say they were all but destroyed but for the machinations of an enemy? It is an over reaction because there is nothin offensive in saying that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240989-deliverence-lost-text-has-been-changed-at-bl-website/#findComment-2911081 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rik Lightstar Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 AND the book isn't out yet, it's like watching a trailer for a favourite movie franchise, say Batman, and then complaining that Batman isn't portrayed properly when he's shown getting hit by the a Villain, you've seen 90 seconds of a 130 minute movie, same thing here. You've read a 125 word taster from the website when the Novel will be normally over 40,000 to be considered a novel. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240989-deliverence-lost-text-has-been-changed-at-bl-website/#findComment-2911096 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 I wonder how the Alpha Legion infiltrators mimic the albino trairts of the Raven Guard Marines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240989-deliverence-lost-text-has-been-changed-at-bl-website/#findComment-2911102 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WatchCaptainAzrael Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 I wonder how the Alpha Legion infiltrators mimic the albino trairts of the Raven Guard Marines. Prolly the RG geneseed hadn't mutated by that time. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240989-deliverence-lost-text-has-been-changed-at-bl-website/#findComment-2911104 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiberium40k Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 Point is still valid that it is a massive over reaction to be upset with the fact the Raven Guard were all but destroyed at Istvaan and does it really hurt feelings to say they were all but destroyed but for the machinations of an enemy? *sigh* Nobody was upset with the mauling the RG`s got on Istvaan... And yes, I think it does cheapen the Raven Guard if they only exsist because their enemies decided they shouldn`t die yet. It is an over reaction because there is nothin offensive in saying that. Last I checked, implying fanboyism isn`t all that nice. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240989-deliverence-lost-text-has-been-changed-at-bl-website/#findComment-2911112 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billuriye Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 Prolly the RG geneseed hadn't mutated by that time. :) The legion had always Corax like attributes (albinism, raven black hair). The geneseed deficiencies happen later. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240989-deliverence-lost-text-has-been-changed-at-bl-website/#findComment-2911113 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billuriye Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 Last I checked, implying fanboyism isn`t all that nice. Meh, seems like you are getting offended for no good reason. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240989-deliverence-lost-text-has-been-changed-at-bl-website/#findComment-2911116 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lay Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 Have a spoiler. I wonder how the Alpha Legion infiltrators mimic the albino trairts of the Raven Guard Marines. Probably cosmetic surgery. In Legion it's stated that they make use of it to better resemble Alpharius. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240989-deliverence-lost-text-has-been-changed-at-bl-website/#findComment-2911127 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 I wonder how the Alpha Legion infiltrators mimic the albino trairts of the Raven Guard Marines. Prolly the RG geneseed hadn't mutated by that time. ;) Or white Geisha paint I presume. Or else it's a convenient omission. @ tiberium40k; I think you are being a little too thin skinned. It really doesn't cheapen anyone to say you escaped a trap because some of your enemy had later plans for you, especially as it is likely you later overcome those plans. If anything it is an impressive feat. It's certainly not my opinion you or anyone else is a fan boy, I just merely don't agree anything has been published that insults or hurts the Raven Guard. If you feel I overstepped the mark then feel free to report me, I really won't be offended or anything and there won't be any favouritism towards me just because I've just become a mod. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240989-deliverence-lost-text-has-been-changed-at-bl-website/#findComment-2911142 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elric the Silvercoat Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 Maybe the Alpha Legion have a special ability over the other Legions and can't change the way they look to fine in with the other people in the area. It wouldn't be crazy to think of it that way because it would make sense why they are so hard to find and why no one is 100% sure that the Primarch is dead. We know little about how they work as so anything could be true about them.........*stares at the person next to him* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240989-deliverence-lost-text-has-been-changed-at-bl-website/#findComment-2911167 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ubermensch Commander Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 I do not care for this direction myself. 1) I simply cannot suspend disbelief that the Alpha Legion could infiltrate, that is to say plant an Alpha Legionnaire, into any other Legion, particularly one with incredibly distinctive physical features even by Space Marine standards, where everyone tends to look a little bit like daddy-kins and a penchant for speed and stealth. Each Legion contains distinct practices, rituals, attitudes and physical characteristics thanks to their geneseed. The idea that you can just show up and say "Hi guys! Sure is great to be X Legionnaire!" is asinine to me. Oh they will hand wave it, but ever since Legion, I just been shaking my head at with the direction of the Alpha Legion. 2) It does diminish the Raven Guard's capabilities. No, they could not have gotten away, just because they are talented enough at hit and run/guerilla tactics to do so. No, its all part of the ALPHA LEGION SCHEME!! WOOOooooOOOO! *sigh* Part of the issue is also that of what limited fluff we have of the Raven Guard at this time period is them getting mauled and fighting understrength. But whereas the Salamanders and Iron Hand hang on through their natural tenacity, qualities inherent in their Legions, the Raven Guard used their speed/stealth/dirty fighting talents to bug out and out fox pursuers. It was about the only good thing going for them at this time that we know of with limited fluff. Now that only happened because Alpha Legion LET them? That...is just super. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240989-deliverence-lost-text-has-been-changed-at-bl-website/#findComment-2911194 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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