Darkapostle222 Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 Well I've just recieved my copy of Aurelian (got the silver edition and I'm just fine with that) and all I can say after reading the first three chapters is.... WOW B) I mean I've always been a huge fan of ADB's writing but for me this is just reinforcing that he is one of the best writers they have in their employ. If you couldn't guess yet I'm a big Word Bearers fan and to see Lorgar in the way he's portrayed just appeals to my fanboyism in a way that's hard to describe. The change in his personality that ADB's written is such a great read, to witness how one of the most kind and gentle Primarchs has been turned into a Chaos-infused badass is too cool. So far my favorite moment is when after nearly killing Fulgrim he uses his powers to compel Horus to let go of his shoulder! Lorgar can command the Warmaster? That's just too cool. Anyway all of that aside I'm interested to hear all of your opinions on the book so far. P.S. ADB, you should do a Word Bearers series kinda like what Anthony Reynolds did in the far future (I know you've probably got a ton of things in the works). I just know it'd be an instant buy for me. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/241081-aurelian-discussion/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billuriye Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 Lorgar sure does have Gods at his side. Can't explain his domination of Fulgrim, commanding of Horus or matching Magnus' psykery otherwise. Faith and self confidence only go so far. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/241081-aurelian-discussion/#findComment-2911626 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 Dude, Lorgar whupped An'ngrath's butt prior to dealing with Fulgrim. Considering Fulgrim had no bloody clue he was about to catch a mace in the chest, it makes perfect sense. Lorgar isn't the 'weak' Primarch any longer. Plus, he has finally made himself whole, no longer questions his place in the universe. Granted, his psychic powers are still wild, but they are powerful. Horus might be the Chosen one, but Lorgar is the God's truest, selfless son. They have blessed him accordingly. Lorgar is a Primarch, man. Faith and Self-Confidence (which he previously lacked) can take him as far as he wants. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/241081-aurelian-discussion/#findComment-2911629 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billuriye Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 That's my point. Gods have truely blessed him. Without their blessings, faith and self confidence wouldn't carry him that far. Matching his Primarch brothers is fine and expected, dominating them is something else entirely. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/241081-aurelian-discussion/#findComment-2911639 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 Lorgar was bound to become more powerful than all his brothers at some point. He is the only one who selflessly worships the Gods, where all the others want something (power, revenge, etc.). In my opinion, because his faith and self-confidence was never complete, He always held himself back, unsure and worried about the right path. Even if the Gods didn't give him their blessings, just knowing in his mind that he finally knows the truth and is on the right path would have been enough to put him on par with his bro's. With all four of the powers behind him, it totally makes sense to me why he's chest crushing Fulgrim, cornering Horus, and making Magnus's lights flicker. Again, just my friendly opinion man. :blush: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/241081-aurelian-discussion/#findComment-2911640 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yogi Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 I haven't got Aurelian (and never will) But I happy to hear Lorgar flexing his muscle for once. Worshiping chaos is finally portrayed as having more benefits then just plain madness. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/241081-aurelian-discussion/#findComment-2911651 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billuriye Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 Again, just my friendly opinion man. ;) Of course and i agree too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/241081-aurelian-discussion/#findComment-2911660 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castiel Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 It is an amazing book, it displays Lorgar's transformation perfectly, and in a manner that makes sense within the storyline. Also, having him beat Khrne's favourite pet in close combat is too cool! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/241081-aurelian-discussion/#findComment-2911783 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunslinger87 Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 Actually, I think that was the only part that I found a bit over the top. I would have made him dish out some serious punishment, but then have the demon just disappear before the killing blow with no explanations. Obviously everybody has their own preferences and I loved the whole novella, but just some limits on Lorgar's new power would be nice. Especially since that moment technically still came before Lorgar got whipped even by Corax etc. so not like later when he gains confidence etc. because really... if this guy is the blood god's favourite (or was back then)... and the weakest primarch (at the time) beat him... well to me thats not much of a champion. I guess it kinda explains why the gods needed to turn some primarchs... if thats the best they had. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/241081-aurelian-discussion/#findComment-2913908 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagicMan Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 Primarchs are supposed to be godlike, though. The most powerful beings in the Galaxy bar the Emperor. If you think of the way that Space Marines abilities are described in the fluff, then a Primarch must be well beyond our ability to even imagine considering they put down normal Marines in swathes without breaking sweat. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/241081-aurelian-discussion/#findComment-2913912 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 Actually, I think that was the only part that I found a bit over the top. I would have made him dish out some serious punishment, but then have the demon just disappear before the killing blow with no explanations. Obviously everybody has their own preferences and I loved the whole novella, but just some limits on Lorgar's new power would be nice. Especially since that moment technically still came before Lorgar got whipped even by Corax etc. so not like later when he gains confidence etc. because really... if this guy is the blood god's favourite (or was back then)... and the weakest primarch (at the time) beat him... well to me thats not much of a champion. I guess it kinda explains why the gods needed to turn some primarchs... if thats the best they had. But he's not the Chosen because of his fighting prowess. Also, fighting among your own will give you more pause, when your mind is in conflict. This is versus having a snarling daemon thing on atomic steroids coming at you bent on total annihilation. Couple that with the stress and tension he was experiencing on Cadia and you have one pissed off Primarch. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/241081-aurelian-discussion/#findComment-2913930 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castiel Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 Too be honest though, the main bit about that that I liked (badass though it was!) was Lorgars Rage without direction line. I loves how he beat down a bloodthirster, and still took the time to sermonize to it, I thought that was really well done! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/241081-aurelian-discussion/#findComment-2913977 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulwyf Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 For those mentioning the manhandling of Fulgrim that wasn't the real Fulgrim he was beating on. I can't help but think the real Fulgrim would have put up more of a fight than a "please Horus keep him from killing me" defense. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/241081-aurelian-discussion/#findComment-2913987 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 Actually, I think that was the only part that I found a bit over the top. I would have made him dish out some serious punishment, but then have the demon just disappear before the killing blow with no explanations. Obviously everybody has their own preferences and I loved the whole novella, but just some limits on Lorgar's new power would be nice. Especially since that moment technically still came before Lorgar got whipped even by Corax etc. so not like later when he gains confidence etc. because really... if this guy is the blood god's favourite (or was back then)... and the weakest primarch (at the time) beat him... well to me thats not much of a champion. I guess it kinda explains why the gods needed to turn some primarchs... if thats the best they had. You do realise the other Gods were probably helping him, given that Khorne broke the terms of their agreement. He doesn't set a fair test, the other Gods help him cheat. It's only fair, after all! :) So, the weakest Primarch, with the direct aid of Slaanesh, Nurgle and Tzeentch behind him, managed to beat Ang'grath, getting severely, utterly mauled in the process. Off the top of my head, his armour was torn up, numerous ribs broken, and he lost the use of one arm. He could barely walk after the fight. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/241081-aurelian-discussion/#findComment-2914027 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billuriye Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 For those mentioning the manhandling of Fulgrim that wasn't the real Fulgrim he was beating on. I can't help but think the real Fulgrim would have put up more of a fight than a "please Horus keep him from killing me" defense. I think he would go down just as easily. It was a suprise attack. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/241081-aurelian-discussion/#findComment-2914133 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulwyf Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 For those mentioning the manhandling of Fulgrim that wasn't the real Fulgrim he was beating on. I can't help but think the real Fulgrim would have put up more of a fight than a "please Horus keep him from killing me" defense. I think he would go down just as easily. It was a suprise attack. Going down is one thing, just laying there without defending yourself is another. I don't think the Phoenician or any other Primarch would just lay there after being sucker, er, mauled. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/241081-aurelian-discussion/#findComment-2914260 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castiel Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 For those mentioning the manhandling of Fulgrim that wasn't the real Fulgrim he was beating on. I can't help but think the real Fulgrim would have put up more of a fight than a "please Horus keep him from killing me" defense. I think he would go down just as easily. It was a suprise attack. Going down is one thing, just laying there without defending yourself is another. I don't think the Phoenician or any other Primarch would just lay there after being sucker, er, mauled. Yeah, I can imagine how that would turn out, especially with Angron or Russ. I can see it going Wild West bar fight very quickly! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/241081-aurelian-discussion/#findComment-2914289 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ju'kosian Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 Fulgrim might not wanted to react, maybe the other primarchs would have become suspicious. Most will have seen how the real Fulgrim fights so, maybe if he reacted others would have noticed that he was 'changed'. Anyway I liked the novel, altough Lorgar's new powers seem a bit over the top on some occasions. Can't wait to see/hear what ADB will do with the world eaters Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/241081-aurelian-discussion/#findComment-2914293 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Tharand Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 Actually, I think that was the only part that I found a bit over the top. I would have made him dish out some serious punishment, but then have the demon just disappear before the killing blow with no explanations. Obviously everybody has their own preferences and I loved the whole novella, but just some limits on Lorgar's new power would be nice. Especially since that moment technically still came before Lorgar got whipped even by Corax etc. so not like later when he gains confidence etc. because really... if this guy is the blood god's favourite (or was back then)... and the weakest primarch (at the time) beat him... well to me thats not much of a champion. I guess it kinda explains why the gods needed to turn some primarchs... if thats the best they had. But we don't truly know if it takes place before or after Lorgar fights Corax. All we know is he's in the Eye and time is flowing back and forth as he witnesses different events. It could have been a future powered Lorgar beating up poor An'ggrath. Thats what I like to think. I thought it was interesting that Lorgar what would happen if the Heresy failed. Perhaps reason he hasn't done anything since the Heresy is because of the failure. I have really enjoyed the change in Lorgar over the two books as we've seen him become his own man. I find it very telling that he speaks to Argel Tal at the end instead of Kor Phaeron or Erebus. Like he trusts him to do the right thing over the other two. Also, I think ADB was watching "Predator" while writing "Aurelian" because I got a huge chuckle out Lorgar musing that "If something bled, it could be killed". That's Arnold's line, "If it bleeds, we can kill it". One of the greatest movie lines ever! Cheers ADB! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/241081-aurelian-discussion/#findComment-2914329 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billuriye Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 Spanking Anggarath happened before getting spanked by Corax. Besides Lorgar has natural affinity towards daemons as evidenced how easily he manhandled Fulgrim thing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/241081-aurelian-discussion/#findComment-2914348 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Tharand Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 Spanking Anggarath happened before getting spanked by Corax. Besides Lorgar has natural affinity towards daemons as evidenced how easily he manhandled Fulgrim thing. But you don't really know that. Lorgar was moving through time and being shown different things. Who's to say the fight didn't happen in the future? It's the Eye...crazy things happen. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/241081-aurelian-discussion/#findComment-2914358 Share on other sites More sharing options...
2000AD Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 The book was quite good but nothing to get excited about IMO..... side effect of being so damn short, no chance to develop anything. I did like the primarch interaction at the start though. This consequently lead to what I felt was the slightly cheesy fight against An'ggrath...... bit of a desperate need to get some fighting in the book. The fight itself was a bit strange... I mean Sanguinius was almost killed by an above average Bloodthirster, but yet Lorgar (one of the weaker H2H primarchs by most accounts) goes and beats the Lord of Bloodthirsters relatively easily?!?!?...... Sorry I dont buy it. Have read far better in the HH.... for less money - and I only went halves on a silver edition! 6/10 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/241081-aurelian-discussion/#findComment-2914404 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sazabi24 Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 The book was quite good but nothing to get excited about IMO..... side effect of being so damn short, no chance to develop anything. I did like the primarch interaction at the start though. This consequently lead to what I felt was the slightly cheesy fight against An'ggrath...... bit of a desperate need to get some fighting in the book. The fight itself was a bit strange... I mean Sanguinius was almost killed by an above average Bloodthirster, but yet Lorgar (one of the weaker H2H primarchs by most accounts) goes and beats the Lord of Bloodthirsters relatively easily?!?!?...... Sorry I dont buy it. Have read far better in the HH.... for less money - and I only went halves on a silver edition! 6/10 Uh... it's wasn't supposed to truely develop anything, it's supplemental reading. also Ka'Bandha is far from a regular Bloodthirster, the 5th edition Blood Angels Codex makes him out to be one of the strongest Bloodthirsters in existence. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/241081-aurelian-discussion/#findComment-2914407 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqatone Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 Actually, it did develop something. Lorgar. Derp. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/241081-aurelian-discussion/#findComment-2914535 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billuriye Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 But you don't really know that. Lorgar was moving through time and being shown different things. Who's to say the fight didn't happen in the future? It's the Eye...crazy things happen. But the pilgrimage was before Istvaan. Chaos or not, timeline is set. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/241081-aurelian-discussion/#findComment-2914587 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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