Master Raimeous Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 I recently decided to try building my own Space Marine chapter and would really like some help coming up with specifics and input on the basics. Right now all I have decided on is that the Chapter is called the Angels of Steel, they are a fleet based chapter, and their armor looks like this: I had an idea for the background that they had just appeared out of a warp storm. Their were no documents that anyone could find that had more than a vague reference to the chapter, and all the chapters records were lost so absolutely no one knew anything about them before they were swallowed by a warp storm, and even the members of the chapter don't know how long they had been lost in the warp. Edit: Changed picture Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/241488-angels-of-steel/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekim_Trub Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 I'd maybe look into a different background than the "lost in the warp" routine, as its classed as old and clichéd. Which means it is highly frowned upon by the Liber. Also, to me the colour scheme doesn't match their name. The cream/yellow/gold? just doesn't look right imo. Really like the name though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/241488-angels-of-steel/#findComment-2917188 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Raimeous Posted November 5, 2011 Author Share Posted November 5, 2011 Okay I'll reconsider the background, I was really liking the idea of a chapter with no past at all, and I was going to have them have a massive fleet that they had salvaged over more than a millennium lost in the warp. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/241488-angels-of-steel/#findComment-2917388 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinzaren Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 Okay I'll reconsider the background, I was really liking the idea of a chapter with no past at all, and I was going to have them have a massive fleet that they had salvaged over more than a millennium lost in the warp. The problem with a chapter with no backround is that the Imperium keeps records, detailed ones. It is a massive bureaucracy and bureaucracies love paperwork. They would know. The second issue is that a fleet salvaged in the warp is going to be contaminated by the Warp. Every section or area that the Gellar Field couldn't cover would be home to demons and other warp-borne monsters. The very nature of the Warp corrupts and twists things, so ships/equipment that your chapter would find would be beyond recognizable or safe. You could use it, but it is infectious and would eventually contaminate your chapter, painting a big bullseye on your forehead for the Inquisition. Also, how did the chapter survive a millennia in the Warp without resupply? Your food, power, and weapon supplies are not limitless, and eventually the constant assault by Chaos and the Warp will wear you down. Your warp engines would fail, which would disable the Gellar Field, which is your only protection from the predators that lurk in Warp Space. Demons and the pure warping power of Chaos would flood in, killing/mutating everyone until you emerged as something wholly different than you started as. Lost in the Warp is the worst possible scenario, and wouldn't be something you could really recover from or push through, especially not after a thousand years. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/241488-angels-of-steel/#findComment-2917436 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Raimeous Posted November 5, 2011 Author Share Posted November 5, 2011 Okay scrap that idea. Maybe they're just a really new chapter that has a knack for finding lost relics and technology. Maybe the Chapter Master believes that some dire threat is looming and that the Angels of Steel need to recover as many lost relics of mankind as possible in order to defend the Imperium, so they go raid planets that have been lost to one threat or another to recover lost technology, like dreadnoughts and land raiders and such. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/241488-angels-of-steel/#findComment-2917459 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Lord Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 Space hulks, despite often having been lost in the Warp for thousands of years, are salvaged sometimes by the Imperium- the battleship Divine Right was recovered from a hulk after 10,000 years (lost in the Age of Strife, before the Great Crusade) and repaired and recommissioned. So, even if it's not appropriate for people, it's fine for tech. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/241488-angels-of-steel/#findComment-2917462 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Raimeous Posted November 5, 2011 Author Share Posted November 5, 2011 So if they are salvaging tanks and armor from old battlefields they would probably use rapid attacks at multiple points to take objectives and then hold until a transport can arrive to take away their prize. In which case they would probably have lots of transports and bikes to move troops in quickly, and I am going to say they don't have any reserve companies so that they have 8 fully balanced battle companies to maximize the number of objectives they can take simultaneously. So it would make sense for each company to have 6 rhinos for tactical squads, 4 razorbacks for devastator squads, bikes and land speeder for assault squads, and, even though most chapters don't have them, a storm raven gunship. Then throw in tanks, extra bikes for some of the tactical squads, and dreadnoughts to round out each companies basic equipment. Land Raiders and Venerable Dreadnoughts are probably assigned to the first company, and bikes and land speeders for the tenth company. Because of all the tech they are collecting I will say they have a larger than average contingent of tech-marines, and a forge ship which they found and repaired. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/241488-angels-of-steel/#findComment-2917543 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Raimeous Posted November 6, 2011 Author Share Posted November 6, 2011 Moving on to other details. Gene-seed is probably from the Ultramarines, not sure which chapter it is specifically founded from. Chapter Masters name is Virgil Raimeous. Their main belief is that their purpose is to gather the lost weapons of humanity so that on they will be ready to stand against whatever threat may endanger the Imperium. They are probably 25th or 26th founding. They are a somewhat divergent chapter in that they do not maintain reserve companies, the sixth through the ninth companies are all battle companies, and all tactical marines are trained to use bikes in combat. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/241488-angels-of-steel/#findComment-2917658 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Raimeous Posted November 11, 2011 Author Share Posted November 11, 2011 I really want to write up a full IA for the Angels of Steel, but I am not entirely sure where to start, also I would appreciate any help finishing the heraldry for the chapter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/241488-angels-of-steel/#findComment-2922006 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqui Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 I really want to write up a full IA for the Angels of Steel, but I am not entirely sure where to start, also I would appreciate any help finishing the heraldry for the chapter. Whilst I'm not the most successful at writing IA's, one thing I find best is to write or type ideas down. It doesn't matter too much if any of it is usable to begin with. Once you gotten a few, take a bit of time out to think about their motives, or what things influence you. Whilst some parts of your IA inevitably affect other parts, you don't have to start at the beginning (if you get what I mean) For example, established Chapters such as the Ultramarines have a "theme", Ultramarines are Roman/Greek themed etc. If there is an Era in History you like why not try to weave a little (or a lot) into your Chapter. Some elements may have to be adjusted to fit, but it could give you the foundation on which to base your Chapter on. As for Heraldry, I'm not sure how well you use things like GIMP or Photoshop, but again think about things that influence you. In the case of your Angels of Steel, perhaps an outline of an Angel in silver or perhaps an Angels "Halo" against a grey background? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/241488-angels-of-steel/#findComment-2922014 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Raimeous Posted November 12, 2011 Author Share Posted November 12, 2011 Well the basic idea behind the chapter is that they are collectors, warrior archaeologists who gather technology. I am thinking about maybe using a silver sword with a golden halo against a black background for the icon on the shoulder pads. They are definitely going to be a fleet based chapter, but unlike the black templars they don't split up their fleet, though each of the 8 battle companies has a portion of the fleet assigned to them. One question that I can't really find an answer for, how many space marines can you accommodate on a standard battle barge? Also I need to decide whether the Angels of Steel are friendly with or antagonistic towards the AdMech, since with such a focus on tech they can't really be just like every other chapter towards the AM. I'm leaning more towards antagonism, perhaps with the AoS no longer sending their techmarines to learn from the AM. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/241488-angels-of-steel/#findComment-2922146 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightrawenII Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 Well, hell-o. Welcome in the Liber, I hope you will enjoy your stay. <_< Now, forgive my pessimistic and sceptical tone, but I have seen Chapter with such theme like hundred times, so there goes my enthusiasm... So if they are salvaging tanks and armor from old battlefields they would probably use rapid attacks at multiple points to take objectives and then hold until a transport can arrive to take away their prize. In which case they would probably have lots of transports and bikes to move troops in quickly, and I am going to say they don't have any reserve companies so that they have 8 fully balanced battle companies to maximize the number of objectives they can take simultaneously. #1 Eh, the problem is that you are moving your troops vertically, not horizontally. So, you will need more vertical transporters. :lol: #2 Salvaging things from battlefield is sort of problematic... The Space Marines are (very) passionate and possessive of their stuff and you have no use for other equipment. Not to mention that most of the things IG use is mass produced in the first place. #3 The Chapters rarely operate as single force, instead they are divided into strike forces, detachments and so on... So it would make sense...... and thus it's already written in the Codex Astartes. Well the basic idea behind the chapter is that they are collectors, warrior archaeologists who gather technology. This is basically poking your nose into Admech territory. The Techpriests are already sailing the void in Quest for Knowledege. One question that I can't really find an answer for, how many space marines can you accommodate on a standard battle barge? The Battle Barge is capable of deploying 3 companies of Space Marines. How many Space Marines it can *carry* is in stars. I'm leaning more towards antagonism, perhaps with the AoS no longer sending their techmarines to learn from the AM. That's breach of contract between the Astartes and Mechanicus, which will result in dire consequences for your Chapter. After all, the Mechanicus has monopoly on all imperial technology. Cheers, NightrawenII. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/241488-angels-of-steel/#findComment-2922361 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Raimeous Posted November 16, 2011 Author Share Posted November 16, 2011 I've spent some time thinking about what you have said Nightrawen and here is what I've come up with. To your first point: 1. They do have extra vertical transports in the form of drop pods and Stormravens, however you can't always drop directly on top of your target, and when you can't you need ground transports to move in once you've dropped as close as possible. 2. while every chapter tries their hardest to recover their tech, that isn't always possible so over 10,000 years there is going to be a lot of tech that has been lost, add in the tech of chapters that have been completely lost without a trace and there is plenty of salvage. 3. while most chapters don't operate as a single unit doesn't mean that a chapter can't. On your third point: The chapter feels that it is their destiny to build up as large an arsenal as possible, and they don't trust the AdMech's motives or loyalties to the Imperium, and so they try to get as much tech as they can before the AM can "steal" it. And as for your final point: this was just an idea and I hadn't fully considered the implications, however I don't see why the techmarines of a chapter couldn't train their own replacements. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/241488-angels-of-steel/#findComment-2924874 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 while most chapters don't operate as a single unit doesn't mean that a chapter can't. Three things.1 Few problems require an entire chapter to deal with. 2 Having all your eggs in one basket from a tactical point of view is not good. 3 Divide and conquer. Multiple strike forces cover much more territory. The chapter feels that it is their destiny to build up as large an arsenal as possible, and they don't trust the AdMech's motives or loyalties to the Imperium, and so they try to get as much tech as they can before the AM can "steal" it. K thats fine you just go head with your one little chapter and pick a fight with the organization that provides ALL Imperial tech. And has the Titan Legions and all them crazy cyborg skitarii, oh and they're rather friendly with bunches of other SM chapters, but you do your own thing thats cool. I don't see why the techmarines of a chapter couldn't train their own replacements. I think this has to do with a sort of handshake agreement between the Emperor of Mankind and the AM. To be loyal to the E chapters send Techs to Mars per the agreement. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/241488-angels-of-steel/#findComment-2924884 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Raimeous Posted November 16, 2011 Author Share Posted November 16, 2011 Okay maybe I'm going a little to hard on their distrust of the AdMech, but most of the time when other SMs can't recover their tech the AM is going to have even less luck, so the Angels of Steel will still have plenty of opportunities to salvage, and once they have gotten the tech they aren't going to just give it away. I see no reason that a chapter can't have a general distrust of the AM, the few chapters that have closer ties to the AM are always stated to be distrusted by other chapters, it is quite likely that in some chapters that mistrust extends to the AM itself. I am not suggesting that they are planning to start a fight with the AM, just that they don't trust them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/241488-angels-of-steel/#findComment-2924916 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Sergeant Bohemond Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 If the previous Marines cant recover it, its cause the situation is too difficult. Or not worth it. The Imperium will sacrifice millions of troops to recover lost valuable material (like Raiders/Baneblades etc:), theres a book called 'Gunheads' in which nearly an entire army dies to recover a single Baneblade. Also, what kind of things will you try and take? A Raider? Dreadnought shell? Rhino? Chances are they were only left behind cause there is nothing to recover at all, just scrap metal. The Codex tells us they will fight all the harder to recover an intact Raider sponson... I think its doubtful you would be recovering the equipment in vast quantities, certainly not enough to warrant it being the central theme. Why not have them more allied to the AdMech in that they believe that the Imperium needs better tanks, so they are always on the lookout for new STC's/fragments and they send back anything to Mars, in return they get all the cool new toys. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/241488-angels-of-steel/#findComment-2924934 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Raimeous Posted November 16, 2011 Author Share Posted November 16, 2011 I guess that makes more sense, of course there are always space hulks to raid instead. Maybe they send a company or two to escort explorator fleets when they are operating in more dangerous areas of the galaxy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/241488-angels-of-steel/#findComment-2924960 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Raimeous Posted November 19, 2011 Author Share Posted November 19, 2011 On to the topic of founding and gene-seed. Probably 23rd founding, I'm not sure on gene-seed or founding chapter beyond the fact that I don't want them to be a direct successor of any first founding chapter. Are there any Ultramarine successors that have close ties with the AdMech, or focus on technology and quick attacks? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/241488-angels-of-steel/#findComment-2927006 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekim_Trub Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 The Aurora Chapter has access to roughly 3 times the normal amount of armour of a Codex Chapter. And then there's the Praetors of Orpheus: "The technological lore of the Praetors of Orpheus is second only to that of the Adeptus Mechanicus. Many believe that the two are tied by more than shared service in the Emperor's name. The Praetors of Orpheus are highly active in the systems neighbouring Pavonis." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/241488-angels-of-steel/#findComment-2927019 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Raimeous Posted November 24, 2011 Author Share Posted November 24, 2011 Comparing the 2 I'll probably go with Praetors of Orpheus for the founding chapter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/241488-angels-of-steel/#findComment-2930364 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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