[IA] Golden Fists chapter (WIP)

[xmaverickzerox]

The Golden Fists

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Origins:

The Golden Fists origins took place around 920.M32 in the 8th founding to reinforce the segmentum obscurus against possible chaos attacks. The only thing known of the past of the Golden Fists is that their first Chapter Master was inspired by the deeds and ideals of the primarch Rogal Dorn molded the chapter to mirror his strengths. Although the chapter name and beliefs lead many think they are successors of the Imperial fists, it is not likely, since they don’t lack the sus-an membrane nor the bletcher’s gland. Being an old chapter the Golden Fists have helped other chapters in their campaigns and even completed many of their own. Not all were good victories, but their archives are yet to tell the many stories about the Golden Fists brothers...

Homeworld:

Batherion is the home planet of the Golden Fists, its location is south of the eye of terror, between Neutra and Darkhold. It’s a mostly desert planet, but a good recruiting place, since the planet is more than twice the size of Earth, its higher gravity make the people stronger. Its people is strong minded, since the weak ones die easily in the midst of the vast deserts, and calm because of the overwhelming silence of the great emptiness outside the few strongholds.

Another noteworthy planet used for recruiting and training is Junglr. As the name might already tell, it’s a jungle planet. Not only is this planet used to harvest resources, it is slightly larger than Batherion and it has mostly very dangerous sly creatures. Because of the savage growth of the jungle, there is next to none real cities in this planet, only a few key small fortresses to host the training grounds for the warriors of the chapter.

The forgeworld of Neophyr in the same star system is the place where the Golden Fists get their wargear, a very important world for the chapter.

Combat Doctrines:

The two main differences between the Golden Fists and their brethren Astartes are that they use mostly ranged attack and tanks. The reason for both these decisions lie on their training and living environments.

The training grounds in Junglr are filled with dangerous creatures. All these creatures developed, strangely, a very corrosive blood and bodily fluids. The recruits and marines kill these creatures from afar so they don’t get in contact with these fluids. A similar strategy is used in their engagements. When retaliating the enemies they destroy them before they can get close, the crippled enemy that do arrive in the front line of the Golden Fists is easily and quickly destroyed. The battle-brothers strike exactly there where they need to, using either drop pods, thunderhawks from above or the mighty land raiders on the ground making sure they get the best placement possible.

The reason of the vast use of durable tanks is the rigorous acid rains in Batherion. The air in the planet is naturally filled with oxides, and lacking of plants to transform it, there is a high rate of acid rains in the planet. Due to this, durable tanks and ships are the only effective way of transport in Batherion.

Being specialized in such way has both its advantages and its drawbacks. Enemies that charge mindlessly forward towards the death line of the Golden Fists brothers are utterly destroyed before they manage to do anything. However if the foe have a special way to get in close combat, like teleport or deep strike, they give difficulties to the battle brothers.

Organisation:

Though being a really adherent to the codex, there are changes made to the organization of the companies of the Golden Fists. One big difference from the codex is the presence of at least one full squad of sternguard veterans, for the marines trained in the chapter are very apt in range fighting. Another difference is the slight less amount of assaulting units, for assaulting is the last resort in the chapters’ beliefs. Having less assault units have, of course, both good and bad effects on the effectiveness of the chapter. Being strong minded as they are, they hold dear their tactics and adapt their strikes according to their talents

Beliefs:

The first chapter master was very inspired by Rogal Dorn, and he molded the chapter according his ideals, making a strong mind and stubbornness required traits. They don’t believe in tactical fall back manoeuvres and hold their ground. Their reason for such stubbornness is that, in their beliefs, a fall back means fear, and fear breaks and finally destroys you.

Battle Cry:

(captain/sargeant) : “Destroy the enemy, break their hopes!"

(marines) : "And know no fear!"




EDIT: First try to IA! Any and all comments are appreciated!

[Castiel]

Hello and welcome to 40k, and to the B&C!

 

You've come to the right place for advice on a DIY chapter, the folks around here really know what they're talking about!

 

A couple of questions and tips for you then, to help get you on the way:

 

As the name is Golden Fists I'm assuming that you are planning to make them an Imperial Fists successor, or at least of Rogal Dorn's geneseed. What makes them different from the other successors?

 

Also, I notice in your paint scheme that the upper arms are different colours, are you going to use the gold or green?

 

My other advice is to try to attract the attention of Ace Debonair, Octavulg and the other regulars, as they always have some good advice to share and ideas to help you on your way.

 

Anyway. good luck, enjoy your stay and, most importantly, have fun! :pinch:

 

Castiel

[xmaverickzerox]

Thanks for the reply, indeed the upper left arm was a mistake, it should be gold as well. Fixed it now.

 

It is at least inspired by the crimson fists and Imperial fists. I'm thinking about a chapter founder with a "normal" Ultramarine geneseed that was very inspired by Rogal Dorn of the Imperial Fists, hence a chapter based on them. Either that or just using indeed Rogal Dorn's geneseed were the options for my chapter. The details I'll come up with next weekend.

 

Again, thanks for the reply!

[Shinzaren]

An important thing to note is that Space Marines aren't suited to a slow push/hold the line combat style. As they are ALWAYS outnumbered and outgunned, they rely on speed and precision strikes. They attack all the time, and focus their efforts on destroying enemy HQs and other high priority targets. A chapter based on a defensive fighting style doesn't play to the strengths of the Astartes. Instead of defensive, think offensive. Instead of a slow push, think of a lightning strike. That is the Astartes. High speed, High destruction, High body count, High success rate. The Imperial Guard hold things, the Astartes take them.

 

Otherwise, I really like the color scheme. However, I am fairly color blind, so I would wait for a member of the LHD (Liber Heraldry Department) to come and weigh in, as they are quite skilled when it comes to coloring and what not.

 

EDIT: Welcome to the Liber! Enjoy your stay and watch out for Grizzly Bears. They are trained in hand to hand and should be fought that way, but they occasionally pull out a knife, which is bearly fair.

[xmaverickzerox]

@Shinzaren: Thank you very much for the advice! You are right.. I'll try to think about a fighting doctrine that better suits my Astartes and update their profile. I like my army shooty and tactical advances with rhinos/razorbacks/LRs, that's why I thought about slow pushes and hold the line. But as the codex ,as well as you just did, says: they come to destroy the enemy, not hold them.

 

I can't wait for my exams to end so I can start painting and writing my fluff!

[Brother Cambrius]

As a member and representative of the LHD©, I am happy to weight in my opinion on the colour scheme you have and I like it. I thought I'd add a little extra gesture of welcome as well to the B+C and the Liber by having some fun and adding this onto your Chapter's Heraldry, since I have a Golden Fists chapter colour scheme myself, but I'm going to be changing their name soon enough so don't worry. ;) (I used the older painter for the wargear and so it can be inluded into Philip S.'s 1000 Chapters database. :))

Thus far the base ideas are forming I see, although I am sceptical on how an Ultramarine successor would choose to venerate and copy a chapter originating form another geneseed. It'd be a bit of an insult to their parent chapter. Maybe just having them as successors to Rogal Dorn's marines would be much easier and less awkward to explain, or if you still wish to go down the UM route, maybe say that they chose the colours and name due to a tradition of their homeworld?

Looking forward to seeing this grow and flesh out and once again, Welcome to the B+C and Liber. :)

Cambrius

[xmaverickzerox]

Hi Brother Cambrius, thanks for the comment, that picure is really great, thanks!

 

About why venerating Rogal Dorn, my idea was more like: the geneseed is not really known from which chapter it is. Though the chapter founder was inspired by Rogal Dorn he didn't lack the Sus-an membrane and the Betcher's gland, because of not lacking either of those organs and being a real loyalist chapter it would be a possible UM successor. I thought it would be a nice touch. I wanted to keep those moreso because of the Sus-an membrane, I'd like to incorporate it into my fluff it has potential =).

 

And didn't know the name was already in use! If you not want to pass the name, I already have some others in my mind that would fit my chapter as well :).

 

EDIT: I suppose you don't mind if I use the pic u just made for my OP, so I'm using it! hehe

[Brother Cambrius]

Hi Brother Cambrius, thanks for the comment, that picure is really great, thanks!

 

About why venerating Rogal Dorn, my idea was more like: the geneseed is not really known from which chapter it is. Though the chapter founder was inspired by Rogal Dorn he didn't lack the Sus-an membrane and the Betcher's gland, because of not lacking either of those organs and being a real loyalist chapter it would be a possible UM successor. I thought it would be a nice touch. I wanted to keep those moreso because of the Sus-an membrane, I'd like to incorporate it into my fluff it has potential =).

 

And didn't know the name was already in use! If you not want to pass the name, I already have some others in my mind that would fit my chapter as well :).

 

My pleasure. Don't worry about the name, the Golden Fists are all yours Brother. :)

 

Interesting idea, perhaps have the chapter originate form the early foundings (say the 4th or 5th) so the long history can be a factor for why the geneseed used is unknown. I'm interested to see what you're planning with the Sus-an membrane, looking forward to seeing that. :)

 

Cambrius

[xmaverickzerox]

Major update and first try to writing a backstory to my chapter! Would like to hear some feedback :)

[NightrawenII]

Hello here.

 

There isn't much to comment since its more of skeleton ideas right now. But...

 

Combat Doctrine:

The two main differences between the Golden Fists and their brethren Astartes are that they use mostly ranged attack and tanks. The reason for both these decisions lie on their training and living environments.

- You know... Do you realize the basic unit of Space Marines is Tactical squad, which is geared for shooting?

- The training grounds are here to prepare your units and commanders for real fight situations. Training, which in reality doesn't match the conditions of future battles is sort of missing the point.

 

Edit: The formatting is really eyesore.

 

Cheers, NightrawenII.

[xmaverickzerox]

Thanks for the tips, the idea is that hey specialize even further in shooting, while Space Wolves and Blood angels are more specialized in assaulting for example. I shall change the formarting as soon as possible. About the training grounds, Ill try to change that, thanks for the tips!