Order of the Valkerie

[Spacefrisian]

Has anybody thought about making a Sister order using the Spacewolf codex (cause there current WD one is terrible). Just had this idea and it seems fitting.

 

Before all of you start off by raging stuff like "Females cant be Astartes" etc etc, they wont be Astartes iam only using the rules from an Astartes codex. Now some will say/ think "how will you explain the added thoughness and enhanced skills that astartes have but normal humans dont have", thats realy simple. Look at each artwork in the books about humans in 40k and notice that in more than 75% of those, each human has some sorts of bionics, now theres youre answer.

 

Conversion options: The metal sisters that GW currently has are a no go. They are boring, and kind of disfigured (big heads and boobs on frail body), my best bet here is to look at the Elves/ Eldar ranges as well as Greenstuff.

 

As for possible Terminators: I'am considering it, but i wont be doing something lame such as plastic terminator with ot of place boobs on the breastplate (some of the worst ideas if you ask me). Optional idea is to have them similar to Constance Blaize from PP (just type in that name in google).

 

So what do you think, wonderfull idea or i shouldnt do it. Also explain why i shouldnt or should, could be handy.

 

 

 

BTW: Yes Blood Angels could fit (as other chapters) but Spacewolves have a cavalry unit, and girls love horsies (so i have been told).

[hendrik]

i can see some items totally fit them, such as wolf standards (sacred relics, a martyrs bone etc) while others might be harder to justify such as how come they have predators and vindicators etc and none of their standard tanks? they'll certainly be playable but nothing like the sisters you've known before. personally i even think the BA dex fits them better, why?

 

seraphims=jumppacks, just like the sister kind these guys can pack those nifty meltagunpistols,handflamers etc

flamer tanks= baal predator

pentinent engine=death company dreadnought, afterall who cares if a pentinent dies

death company= sisters repentia

those heavier equiped sister=sternguard

but most of all; faith=red thirst! sure they won't get any magical saves or the likes but the furious charge can represent them being prepared to die a martyr's death etc

[Arez]

It would be a cool idea.Just make sure you post pictures if you do it :cuss

[fivepointedstar]

The thought of "Valkyries" has been the idea in my mind since I first painted my space marines space wolves grey. Being a desendant of the Norse people, and resident of Minnesota, USA this symbolism is wide spread here. It would be very awesome to pull off with out the back lash of the " no female marine squad" trying to throw the fluff at you. Like Hendrick said his thoughts are more like the Norse Valkyires with rightous flames, and spears. If your heart set on horsies then why not use bikes ase the +1 toghness is easier to belive than the TWC buffs.

 

Or better yet if your wanting to use horsies use the BT codex as there bikers have CCW's, and bolt pistols so it would count as a spear and BP's. ( haven't played BT in forever so not 100% sure if this is correct)

[Spacefrisian]

Spacewolves gives me more freedom in this kind of thing so no i wont be considering another marines codex (i like the heroin hammer) Also the weapon options for basic greyhunters is closer to that what Sisters of battle use.

 

And as mentioned before, Valkeries are from Vikings and Spacewolves are inspired by them as well.

[fivepointedstar]

Spacewolves gives me more freedom in this kind of thing so no i wont be considering another marines codex (i like the heroin hammer) Also the weapon options for basic greyhunters is closer to that what Sisters of battle use.

 

And as mentioned before, Valkeries are from Vikings and Spacewolves are inspired by them as well.

Actually BA have war gear simular to SOB's where as SW have typical Astartes wargear. BA/ SOB are the only ones to have permission to have infernus pistols or hand flamers. Also a Sternguard with option to have 2 heavy flamers/ or multimeltas. If a heroine with a thunder hammer you want well BA captians also have that. And for 175pts you can have Captian Tycho or Tychoina if you will that has sterngaurd ammo, and a combi melta and a CCW the ignores armor saves, with artificer armor, Rites of battle and a iron halo.

 

If your dead set on SW rules all you get is CCW GH, or blood claws. TWC, and Wolf guards sgts and wolf scouts is the only variety they have than a standard SM codex. The main differance between BA, and SW troops is that SW come with counter charge, acute sences, and a boltgun, BP, and ccw. BA troops can be standard tacticals, or JP assault troop with/ with out and have cheap transports. access to IP, and HF combat shields. And have sang priest to add feel no pain, and furious charge. plus on a roll of 1 ( unless with astorath 1-3) have fearless, and auto furious charge. Hope that helps.

[Spacefrisian]

Yep iam deadset on Spacewolves, it also has to do with the fact that iam more comfortable playing with Spacewolves (yes i have CM, BT, SW, DA and BA available).

 

So please no suggestions of other codexes anymore, ill keep on being stubborn on that part.

[maverik_girl]

Before all of you start off by raging stuff like "Females cant be Astartes" etc etc, they wont be Astartes iam only using the rules from an Astartes codex. Now some will say/ think "how will you explain the added thoughness and enhanced skills that astartes have but normal humans dont have", thats realy simple. Look at each artwork in the books about humans in 40k and notice that in more than 75% of those, each human has some sorts of bionics, now theres youre answer.

Mav and I came up with a *hopefully* believable story/fluff to have female shield maidens in a SW army. I know your asking for something different, but there are similarities to the two.

ACT V: Winter Guard

The relationship between Sky Warriors and mortals living in the Aett have changed for the better since the first battle of the Fang. Countless kaerls had given their lives in the defence of the Aett and yet their names were not recorded. Jarl Arvek Kjarlskar, Great Wolf of the Vlka Fenryka, and successor to the late Great Wolf Ironhelm. Deemed the Kaerl's Aettguard worthy of *praise*, recognition and acknowledgement.

Freija Morekborn's faith in the Sky Warriors was complete and worked hard to match her father's devotion. She served with the Kaerl's but something inside her was haunted with what occurred during the fighting against the Thousand Sons. ‘I recognize my weakness, and will strive to correct it. I believe I can overcome my flaws....’ Freija wanted to redeem her honor and glory, for her father's sake, for his memory and all those mortals who died in the Aett. But most of all, Freija wanted to find her inner-peace. Her hard work and devotion was eventually noticed by some of the fleshmakers *Wolf Priest* and the wolves found her curious, and intriguing for a mortal.

Many years would pass, and Freija became old, obsolete. The tragedy was that she did not attain the peace she had longed for. Yet for some reason, this amused the fleshmakers, as it was an admirable trait. So out of curiosity or maybe even pity, the Wolf Priest of The Rout remade her, like they did with the skjald Casper Hawser. Some even whisper, that this was a sanctioned experiment by the Great Wolf Kjarlskar.

Freija Morekborn was born again! stronger, better, faster and more agile. She was young and beautiful again. Freija could do more now in her new life, than she had with her old. She then became the fleshmakers personal steward. Accompanying the warrior priest during their choosing of the valiant, amongst the savage tribes of Fenris. While the Wolf Priest watched over the warriors of men, Freija watched over the women of the tribes. Those worthy became like her.... renewed, and remade. And so the Winter Guard was born.

The Winter Guard would be the protectors of the mortals who lived and served in the Aett. Tasked with what skjald's do for The Rout; so too would the maidens speak the deeds of fallen mortals, amongst the Kaerl's who manned the Aett, so that their names would not be forgotten in the history of the Vlka Fenryka and of Fenris. The Winter Guard's main purpose is to serve the fleshmakers, who gave them new life. Like the Valkyrie warriors from ancient terran myth, these choosers of the slain help the Wolf Priest recover the canis helix of fallen Sky Warriors. The Winter Guard are known by the Sky Warriors as Shield Maidens, tasked to protect their Iron Priest servitors, navigators, and at times accompany the Jarl's in battle as either messengers, or personal stewards to all Jarls of The Rout.

"NO MAN NOR BEAST COULD BEST THE WOLF-KING. NO TRIBE COULD STAND AGAINST HIS ARMIES. WITHIN RUSS' KINGDOM A TRUCE EXISTED BETWEEN MAN AND WOLF. HIS COURT WAS ATTENDED BY THE FIERCEST OF WARLORDS AND THE MOST BEAUTIFUL OF MAIDENS" - The Saga of The Wolf-King. (pg 8. Space Wolves Codex)

While Sky Warrior initiates are given various trials and the test of Morkai. The Winter Guard initiates are thrown in the depths of the Underfang, simply known by the mortals as "The Pit". The women who survive the horrors and unknown beast, are then made into Shield Maiden's. Swearing oaths of secrecy, in what horrors they seen and fought in the pit. There are twenty Winter Guard warriors per Great Company. Shield maidens are dressed in elegant carapace armour, always armed with a sword and shield at hand, while clad in pelts, bones, runes and trophies. Their pack leader is usually dressed with a specially fitted runic armour, made from kraken hides, carapace armour with a Dragonscale patter Storm Shield. These Winter Guards are not armed like the Aettguard, for they have full access to the Sky Warrior's armory, making them the elite of all the Kaerls who live in the Aett. It is said that while the men of Fenris are first given an axe, the women carry the shield that protects the tribe.

part two

ACT VI: Lost Companies

Skjald: who are you?

She-Wolf: I am Skadi, pack leader of the Vinteren Vakt.

Skjald: apologies, parts of my memory appear to still be in disarray. Vinteren Vakt you say?

She-Wolf: Winter Guard *says in low gothic* Shield Maiden of the Rout.

Skald: I see, Kaerl high guard. Vinteren Vakt is in Wurgen, war-cant and Shield Maiden is spoken in hearth-cant, Juvk.

She-Wolf: something like that.

Skjald: I am honored.

She-Wolf: honored you say? *chuckles* you amuse me skjald. I only live to serve, like you. The only difference between you and I is, I don't sleep in the cold like you, and you are far more valuable to the Rout.

Skjald: I don’t like the dark.. None of us chose to be there. We miss the firelight. We miss the sunlight. We’ve dreamed all the dreams they give us a hundred times over, a thousand times. We know them off by heart. We don’t choose the dark. We don’t like it.

She-Wolf: we?

Skjald: it’s nothing *looking amused* valuable you say? I’ve never thought about it like that. Why have you awakened me? why have I been summoned?

She-Wolf: it's not my place to ask, I was remade to serve the Fleshmakers and my Jarl. You and I are no different Casper Hawser. We were both rebuilt and remade for the better, to serve the Sky Warriors and not to ask questions, like a newborn whelp.

Casper Hawser: yes yes, true enough. The only difference between you and I, is that you’ve seen and been at more battles than I. *sounding frustrated* am I not fit to fight amongst the warriors of the Rout? I know how to fight! I know how to use the smile of an axe.

Skadi: we are all weapons for the Vlka Fenryka. Each of us has a purpose. Should the Jarl wish for you to fight along side the company, you shall. Should he wish you to return to your sleep

*Casper Hawser shuttered at the thought and quickly interrupts Skadi*

Casper Hawser: who is your lord?

Skadi: Jarl Ragnarok of Onn

Casper Hawser: Wolf Lord Ragnarok, of the First great company

Skadi: Yes

Casper Hawser: do my questions bother you?

Skadi: Yes *almost annoyed*

Casper Hawser: do you want me to stop asking questions?

Skadi: *grins at the man* are you that eager to seek for a true death? to sleep in the red snow?

Casper Hawser: fair enough Shield Maiden, Skadi.

The two continue walking in the dark halls of the Aett. The skjald looked cold, especially without his black fitted body suit like most skjald wore. Skadi hands her cloak, and Casper takes it eagerly. She is called the She-Wolf, gifted or some say cursed by Lakkan, the runed wolf. She has an athletes body, with noticeable female curves and a light tan on her skin. Looking strong and agile, yet her movements seemed almost graceful. She has long legs, and she moved more like a terran house cat. Casper noticed her long nails, and wolf fangs, both are strong enough to kill and tare a man in two. They were subtle, but noticeable enough from a second glance. She had long dark hair, that seemed to flow gently in the air. She looked savage, like those grim warriors of the Rout, but at the same time, Skadi was beautiful like all the Shield Maidens, and like that of someone in Casper’s past.

Casper’s eyes start to focus better in the dark. He could tell that Skadi was a taller woman, unlike most Fenrisian females. She had great posture, standing tall and proud. Her legs longer, like all the Winter Guard before her. Able to jump higher than an astartes, and run effortlessly alongside Fenrisian wolf packs. Skadi looked at you in the eyes when she spoke, it was intimidating and her eyes were fearless. Her eyes are like his, made to look like a wolfs. She was indeed a daughter of Fenris, and a warrior maiden worthy of the Wolf King's court.

Casper focused more on Skadi, as they traveled deeper in the labyrinth-like hallways of the mighty Aett. Skadi had many trophies, and rune stones that hung in her clothing. She had several pelts over her carapace armour. But she didn’t look bulky, or ugly the women from the Sisters of Battle. Skadi has a heavy looking shield that hung in her back, adorned with markings of protection, the shield was almost as tall as the woman, but it looked far more scarred in battle with a few bolter holes, and wolf tail talismans on the sides. Skadi carried a spear and two swords, along with several knives that hugged her ribs. But everyone knows those are just the tools, and that the true weapon are the woman of the Vinteren Vakt. Around her neck and between her breast was a simple wooden necklace, a carving of the Spirit Wolf totem.

Casper Hawser: So what has happened? the last I was awake was during the choosing of Jarl Arvek Kjarlskar successor. It was then that I met the first of your Winter Guard, Freija Morekborn. *Casper pauses* Her and I were very much the same, always asking questions, we were both the curious type. *Casper smiles* Landing us into more trouble and adventures along the way. Her and I became close... *Casper's mannerism changes, and Skadi picked up a hint of sadness in Casper's voice"

Casper Hawser: I’m told that she finally found the peace, she had longed for, while saving her Jarl Commander Enoch many years after I slept. I shall mourn for her, and honor her memory.

Skadi: what was she like? this Freija Morekborn?

Casper Hawser: she was a fierce warrior, stubborn but she was beautiful like you. She was special to me, as I was to her. Are all of the Shield Maidens beautiful? *almost jokingly*

Skadi continued walking in the dimly lit halls, while the skjald Casper Hawser followed from behind. Skadi did not know the notion of beauty, for she only knew death, honor and glory, worthy of a saga. *Morekborn’s linage continues to serve the Aett to this day. I wonder if this Casper had sired more of the Morekborns? Skadi thought to herself*

Skadi: I was not born in the Aett, I was taken by the Wolf High Priest Ulrik the Slayer. I’m told that I have a rare gift. A gift I know nothing about. The Rune Priest called littlbitz say he will take me away from the Winter Guard, and teach me in their ways. Under the watchful eye of the Stormcaller. But I care not for their magic’s... I prefer to be in the company of warriors, and of the claws. Forte, Greenhorn, Nrth, postal and the others

Casper Hawser: interesting

Skadi: *interrupts* the phantom wolves have returned to real space

Casper Hawser: the war wolves of Fenris?

Skadi: the very same

Casper Hawser: the lost warband of the true claw, Bjorn the fell-handed?

Casper: *looking excited*

Casper: the warband that was lost during the first great hunt?

Skadi: yes

Casper: *opening his mouth ready to ask another question*

Skadi: Fenris Holdja! The Fleshmaker (Wolf Priest) known as Max warned me about you *laughs to herself* I should have known better. This must have been another one of his test

(FLASHBACK)

hendrik: your emotions give you away Skadi, calm your storm and ignore the antics of Greenhorn.

Skadi: .........

hendrik: it takes a vast amount of self control to be this dangerous, and you are dangerous right Shield Maiden? enough to stand toe to toe against these Blood Claws

Skadi: yes... yes I am! *growls* I recognize my failing and will be sure to correct it

hendrik: good, or Jonas will have my head if I don't put you into shape! your going to be a great pack leader for the Vinteren Vakt one day, but until then you train and fight along side these whelps.

(END FLASHBACK)

Casper: a test?

Skadi: yes, to see if I would end up killing you, before you made it to the chamber of the annulus.

*shocked* Casper stops momentarily, and Skadi turns around, her eyes glow in the dark like those of wolves.

Casper: but isn’t it a Winter Guard’s duty to protect skjalds?

Skadi: yes, among other things, but you are safe for now Ahmad Ibn Rustah *sounding amused*

Casper: I recognize my failings and be sure to correct it *both Skadi and Casper smile, almost laughing at each others quick-wit and carefully thought-out remarks*

Skadi: their story needs to be told, and your tasked to do your job. Just as the Winter Guard do the same for the mortals who live here in the Fang, so that their names will not be forgotten in the history of the Aett.

The two finally enter the chamber of the annulus. Standing before them was Uncas the Warblade. Last of the Varangi, known as MaveriK by the senior members of the phantom wolves.

Uncas: skjald!

Casper: ....Varangi

Uncas: prepare yourself for their accounts, just don't get anyone's name wrong, like you did with the Trueclaw, or...

Casper: or?

*pauses*

Uncas: your my men will quickly cut your thread

Casper: understood Warblade of Fenris

Uncas: a title that no longer bares meaning in today's world

Casper: then you truly are the phantom wolf they speak of...

Uncas: one might say the same thing about you Casper Hawser

Uncas: I'll be at the "Grove of Heroes" amongst the forgotten name-stones of the Grand Annulus when you finish

Casper: understood Varangi

Uncas: good, I have business with the Wolf Blades

Casper: the Wolf Blades?

Uncas: yes, I want to see if our intelligence is still operational

Casper: what do you mean? operational?

Uncas: the Wolf Lord on holy terra once served two roles, his main being the Rout's spymaster

Uncas: the House of Belisarius literally has/had eyes and ears throughout the Imperium

Uncas: did you think having wolves on holy terra was coincidence?

Casper: I suppose I should have known better

Uncas: we all have our roles skjald

Casper: that we do, Varangi

Uncas: however, I'm told that the once honorable role of Wolf Blades, have degraded to nothing more than a band of punished outcast and bodyguards. I cannot allow this dishonor!

Casper: much has changed in my sleep and in your absence

Casper: I hope you find a way to restore the once honorable roles of the Wolf Blades on holy terra

Uncas: .........

Uncas: go now, my men are waiting for you. The Shield Maiden will stay at your side should you need anything, she is your protector, stay close to her, you are valuable to us

Uncas: *looking at Skadi* protect the man, I will summon you if I need anything

Skadi: understood!

It took several exhausting days for Casper to take-in all the accounts of the once lost warband. In all that time, Skadi of the Vinteren Vakt stayed beside the skjald.

Skadi: *sounding excited* we go now, to the "Grove of Heroes"

Casper: have you ever been there?

Skadi: once... but very briefly

Skadi: have you?

Casper: no, but lead the way Skadi of the Vinteren Vakt

Casper: how fitting to find you amongst the forgotten

Uncas: *looking around at the name-stones, and focusing back at the center, Leman Russ' name-stone* so many...

Casper: indeed, it truly is surreal being here, surrounded by all these name-stones

Uncas: the Rout have endured many wars, yet we still stand

Casper: so are you caught up with all the histories and sagas of the chapter?

Uncas: yes, but only the important stuff

Casper: I have finished the accounts of your men, of the lost warband

Uncas: *haha* lost, is that what we've come to?

Casper: ......

Uncas: you know I never really understood how my Jarl the Trueclaw felt until our return to real-space, until I had my moment alone with the now venerable old one

"It had always been painful, ever since Russ had gone. There had been no explanation, no words of comfort. One night, one midwinter’s night of storm-fury, the primarch had gone. Leman Russ had left without saying why, charging into the void as he always did, heedless of the danger, heedless of those he left behind. Did you know how angry that made me, that you never said why? He had fought differently when he’d been alive. Back then, many lifetimes ago, he’d raced into battle with Godsmote, and Oje, and Two-Blade, and their wyrds had been coiled together tighter than throttletwine. The Wolves around him now cut threads with the same peerless majesty as those of old, but it wasn’t the same. Bjorn knew the galaxy had aged, and he had not. He had no place here, not with the hot-blooded whelps who had inherited the mantle of the Aett. I think you knew.You knew I would hate this. You knew every moment would be torture for me.

He was busy killing. That was all he ever did. It was either stasis, or killing. Unconsciousness, or fury. You knew I would hate you. You, who left me to this fate. I would have pierced the veils of reality with you, marched with you to destiny, stood beside you against the enemy you knew was waiting. And I know what you were doing. You birthed this hate in me, as potent as the love I still cannot shake. If he’d possessed tear-glands, he would have wept. If he’d possessed a jawline, it would have been clenched into an eternal grimace of horror. If he’d possessed vocal cords, they would have trembled in a howl of utter, soul-burning anguish. For hate is the most powerful drive in the universe, and you needed to give me such power that the Wolves would never be without a defender." - Bjorn the Fell-Handed

Uncas: my warband should have been there in his final days, before Bjorn was encased in his tomb

Casper: .......

Casper: we don't like the dark

Uncas: I know, my friend! yet the dark is all we know

Casper: the black name-stone in the annulus, will you continue to...

Uncas: it will remain that way!

Casper: for the lost? and the thirteenth

Uncas: for the thirteenth, but not for the lost

Casper: not for the lost?

Uncas: what happened to my warband was a tragedy, and what happened to the thirteenth is another matter

Uncas: but for all the those that came after my warband... they are NOT truly lost

Casper: I don't quite understand Warblade?

Uncas: after the First Battle of the Fang, and after the ill-fated successor chapter the Wolf Brothers

Uncas: it wasn't meant to-be!

Uncas: the Crimson King made sure to end the Sons of Russ project

Uncas: the successor route was not the way, or the answer for the chapter

Casper: yes, because the research was lost forever

Uncas: no, because it's not what the Wolf King would have wanted to begin with

Casper: then all those who came after you.....?

Uncas: a sacrifice

Casper: sacrifice?

Uncas: a great company has to endure and undertake a great sacrifice

Casper: what do you mean?

Uncas: since the Sons of Russ cannot have successor chapters, then the next best solution is to adapt

Uncas: after the first Battle of the Fang, it was clear that a contingency plan was needed to secure our place in the sagas

"we were made to destroy. Our whole being is destruction. Such was the will of the All-Father. He made us not to construct empires but to murder them. We were bred to perform the tasks that no other Legion could, to fight with such extravagance that even our brother warriors would shrink from treachery in the knowledge of what we, the Rout, would do to them." - Battle of the Fang

Casper: so what was or is this contingency plan?

Uncas: every few dozen or so years, a Wolf Lord is chosen to make the ultimate sacrifice... to be "lost" although history will say different

Casper: *looking shocked*

Uncas: those considered "lost" were/are instructed to find new territory and grow

Casper: are you implying that Jarl Sven Ironhand who revoked his oath and lead his Great Company into exile into the Eastern Fringes was intentional?

Casper: that and of Jarl Jotun Bearclaw's renegade Great Company, who refused to return to Fenris after fighting at Ichar IV, all because of the length of travel time involved, that was also intentional?

Uncas: what better way to keep suspicions at bay

Uncas: the Thousand Sons lost their might as a legion when they fought here on Fenris

Uncas: all those great companies that are considered "lost" are merely sleeping wolves, waiting to strike

Uncas: and I've come back to help the Vlka Fenryka prepare

Casper: prepare for what?

Uncas: for the wolf-time!

--EDIT--

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[Quillen]

Um the Space Wolves had hand flamers and melta pistols too. They just dropped them in 3rd edition when they stream-lined the game to compete with Magic and other tourney games.

 

So no Blood Angels and Sisters are not really special in that regards.

 

 

As to chic models use the Dark Elfs. They have chain skirts and look awesome. Somene made a killer army for a grand toruney using them.

[-Volsung-]

What if they were a bunch of Adepta Sororitas who decided to take a pilgrimage on Fenris to recruit womenfolk into their order? Maybe this was pre-feud with the Inquisition or maybe after as a way to ease deteriorating relations between the Inquisition and the Fang?

 

I'm thinking of it as a kind of foreign exchange program, but perhaps with the sisters really admiring and sympathizing with the Space Wolves rather than spying on them, although the potential for them to be spies can make for interesting fluff, as the Space Wolves might not fully trust them and such. I dunno, just a thought. ^_^

[maverik_girl]

Fenris sector is guarded and patrolled by the wolves. I doubt the Space Wolves would even allow Sisters land on their home world without the Old Wolf's blessing. And don't forget, the relationship between the Ecclesiarchy and the Space Wolves have been iffy in the past. Even almost going into war with each other.

[Wulfebane]

Haha! I wondered if Mav_girl would chime in on this! You've been lurking of late.

 

As any counts-as player will tell you, "Your army, do what you want." Everyone has wanted to make a female SM army at some point. Admit it, the players of this game are predominantly a sausagefest. However, I think SW are the hardest to achieve that goal.

 

What Mav_girl wrote up for her girls is one of the best routes taken to achieve it.

[-Volsung-]

Fenris sector is guarded and patrolled by the wolves. I doubt the Space Wolves would even allow Sisters land on their home world without the Old Wolf's blessing. And don't forget, the relationship between the Ecclesiarchy and the Space Wolves have been iffy in the past. Even almost going into war with each other.

 

The relationship between the Wolves and the Inquisition I think only significantly deteriorated after two specific events: Angron's invasion during the First Armageddon War in 499.M41 and the month-long war at Fenris when the Ecclesiarchy sent a fleet out to investigate rumors of blasphemy and were attacked in 886.m41. Either of those events would contribute to future misunderstanding between the two organizations.

 

However, nothing specifically states (that I know of anyway) that relations between the Space Wolves and the Ecclesiarchy were hostile prior to those events. That still leaves possibility for emissarial and missionary parties to be welcomed to the Fang so long as they were not hostile or paid proper respects to the Old Wolf, no doubt. This could well include joint-training programs, feasts and the likes. I mean, in 741.M41, an inquisitor attended a feast held by the Wolves. The possibility, methinks, still exists for cooperation between the two parties, at least up to a specific time period.

[MonSTeR]

Frankly, and purely subjectively, this sort of thing comes up every so often and is just as dumb this time as it was the last time...

 

It's on a par with Space Wolves successor chapters and Blood Angel/Space Wolves hybrid lists...

 

It may ruffle a few feathers, but that's my take on things.

[Wulf Vengis]

Ive always wanted to use Sisters as Valkries. Throw them in the Skyclaws slot and explain that the S4 and T4 are simply provided by the PA and cybernetic implants etc.

[Spacefrisian]

Frankly, and purely subjectively, this sort of thing comes up every so often and is just as dumb this time as it was the last time...

 

It's on a par with Space Wolves successor chapters and Blood Angel/Space Wolves hybrid lists...

 

It may ruffle a few feathers, but that's my take on things.

 

 

 

Clealry you havent read it all. Those ideas involve females being made in Astartes. I do not go that route.

[maverik_girl]

Frankly, and purely subjectively, this sort of thing comes up every so often and is just as dumb this time as it was the last time...

 

It's on a par with Space Wolves successor chapters and Blood Angel/Space Wolves hybrid lists...

 

It may ruffle a few feathers, but that's my take on things.

 

 

 

Clealry you havent read it all. Those ideas involve females being made in Astartes. I do not go that route.

huh? I pray you didn't mean my fluff.... because they're NOT made into Astartes. They have no implants like Astartes because my Shield Maidens are "re-made" like Casper Hawser (bionics and such as described on Prospero Burns)

[Spacefrisian]

No i mend Wulf Vengis.

[Wulf Vengis]

I didnt say theyd been made into Astartes. I said to explain the S and T of 4 with bionics and the such. I suppose to elaborate I was implying something along the lines of what Maverick_Girl had said. Bionics could explain the strength and toughness increase to match that or normal astartes and the built in capabilities of the power armor would further that explanation. We know of the Aett Guard and the Kaerls. Whose to say some wereent recognized for their sheer combat prowess and when injured in battle werent remade. Or perhaps they were recognized for a great feat of heroism and granted abilities on par to an astartes in reward.

[MonSTeR]

Frankly, and purely subjectively, this sort of thing comes up every so often and is just as dumb this time as it was the last time...

 

It's on a par with Space Wolves successor chapters and Blood Angel/Space Wolves hybrid lists...

 

It may ruffle a few feathers, but that's my take on things.

 

 

 

Clealry you havent read it all. Those ideas involve females being made in Astartes. I do not go that route.

 

 

I did read it all, and the whole bionic route you propose to go down, but it still just doesn't sit right with me. To me it's on a par with folks desparately trying to find ways to slip in just one extra Space Wolves successor chapter, just one extra primarch, how their chapter is from the seed of Rick Priestly himself and so on.

 

To me,there are certain immutable laws in the 40k universe. One of them is that Space Marines are male and that they were the ultimate manifestation of the Emperor's vision for a fighting force. The "women with bionics" thing just doesn't wash, sorry...

 

Maverick_Girl, the story is really well written and evocative, but to me it still doesn't fit in with the tabletop game. The story about "remaking" to be as good as an astartes again doesn't seem to fit in with the overall ethos of the 40K universe despite how well your prose fits in withthe HH SW novels. I'd certainly read the rest of a novel, but I'd still not envisage the characters you describe as having the elevated Toughness score...

 

I am yet to see any rationale for the use of pseudo-Space Marines with Space Marine profiles, like I am yet to see any rationale for Space Wolf successor chapters.

 

I'm not against the use of a counts as army, really I'm not, it's just that certain things shouldn't be changed along the way to get there. I've seen a White Scar's army use the SW codex and that really worked but it kept the concrete facts constant (marines=marines) and built upon it as a recruitment drive from a particularly savege andferal ribe on the home planet, who after a lengthy and successful campaign had adopted a slightly different way of way.

 

the OP's story of "I want Sisters of Battle to have a higher Toughness score and will say "bionics is the key" just seems lame.

 

You're free to disagree and curse my name, and that's fine, but I still don't see the way forward on this...

[dswanick]

I did read it all, and the whole bionic route you propose to go down, but it still just doesn't sit right with me. To me it's on a par with folks desparately trying to find ways to slip in just one extra Space Wolves successor chapter, just one extra primarch, how their chapter is from the seed of Rick Priestly himself and so on.

 

To me,there are certain immutable laws in the 40k universe. One of them is that Space Marines are male and that they were the ultimate manifestation of the Emperor's vision for a fighting force. The "women with bionics" thing just doesn't wash, sorry...

 

Maverick_Girl, the story is really well written and evocative, but to me it still doesn't fit in with the tabletop game. The story about "remaking" to be as good as an astartes again doesn't seem to fit in with the overall ethos of the 40K universe despite how well your prose fits in withthe HH SW novels. I'd certainly read the rest of a novel, but I'd still not envisage the characters you describe as having the elevated Toughness score...

 

I am yet to see any rationale for the use of pseudo-Space Marines with Space Marine profiles, like I am yet to see any rationale for Space Wolf successor chapters.

 

I'm not against the use of a counts as army, really I'm not, it's just that certain things shouldn't be changed along the way to get there. I've seen a White Scar's army use the SW codex and that really worked but it kept the concrete facts constant (marines=marines) and built upon it as a recruitment drive from a particularly savege andferal ribe on the home planet, who after a lengthy and successful campaign had adopted a slightly different way of way.

 

the OP's story of "I want Sisters of Battle to have a higher Toughness score and will say "bionics is the key" just seems lame.

 

You're free to disagree and curse my name, and that's fine, but I still don't see the way forward on this...

Well, back in the closet for you then.

 

The concept is an interesting one for a DIY "counts-as".

Mav_girl's writting is very well executed and an entertaining read.

I look forward to seeing this expanded on. Pics or it didn't happen...

 

This from a life-time player who's DIY army has been, since 2nd Edition, a "Lost Legion Returned" Great Crusade-era Legion. :P

[Wulf Vengis]

Well if you cant live with someones fluff for their army or units and the way they want to build and play them thats fine. Ive got no arguments for or against you. However the only another option I see is....

 

The Order of The Valkerie

In 999M41 the Old Wolf himself decided it was time to increase mankinds chances of survival in the coming end times. Grimnar set a task upon his greatest Choosers to go out into the frozen wastes of Fenris and start a large scale recruitment campaign that would push the limits set forth by the codex astartes. The choosers were ordered to blanket the death world and select any and all warriors that could prove themselves in battle. There were no longer any restrictions placed upon the Choosers. Males of appropriate age were to be selected to beccome aspirants while men too old for the geneseed or women were chosen to become more than mortal yet less than astartes.

 

Ulrik and his greatest flesh-makers were tasked with making these chosen mortals into warriors with capabilities similar to the Astartes of the VIth legion. These men and women were trained to use the weapons and armor of the astartes to their fullest extent. The men too old for geneseed implant were remade into support warbands and attached to differant great companies. The women inducted in this manner were to be remade into The Order of the Valkerie. Their minds and bodies were conditioned to withstand the strongest psychic attacks and physical punishments. The Valkeries were organized into their own fighting force and given ships by the Great Wolf. They were trained to fight like the Valkeries of legend and to watchover their brother Wolves in combat. Their combat prowess was second only to that of the Astartes brothers.

 

Its just a quick idea but you get the point. Sisters rules with Wolfy overtones. Or even Counts As Wolves if you prefer.

[Spacefrisian]

To me,there are certain immutable laws in the 40k universe. One of them is that Space Marines are male and that they were the ultimate manifestation of the Emperor's vision for a fighting force.

 

http://www.coolminiornot.com/pics/pics12/img46f89c245a704.jpg

A female Spacemarine made by yours truly GW.

 

I rest my case.

[Wulfebane]

To me,there are certain immutable laws in the 40k universe. One of them is that Space Marines are male and that they were the ultimate manifestation of the Emperor's vision for a fighting force.

 

http://www.coolminiornot.com/pics/pics12/img46f89c245a704.jpg

A female Spacemarine made by yours truly GW.

 

I rest my case.

 

Female space marines are like Squats.. only spoken of in fairy tales, which we all know are fictional myths.

[Quillen]

Poor delusional fool. You believe all the lies of the Inquisition spreads. We all know the lost Legions were all Chics and they wanted to do things different and were hunted down and killed. All evidence and histories errased.

 

They have not made Female marines cause they are too dumb to realise how fast they would take off in this day. Back in the 80s no. Now thou with all these kids playing chic toons in games. Playing girlies on a table top would not be objectional to them.

 

Heck I would field a few of them myself. If the models looked cool. Sisters are ok, but I want a more power army look. Sister armor looks way too Bondage to me. "Thank you Mistress, may I have another!?!?!?" lol