Brother Dimetrius Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 Greetings brothers, As I'm still very much in the planning phase I was wondering if any of you had thoughts to share about GK interceptors. I quite like the concept of the unit, but being quite new to 40k I'm still unclear as to how you would make them work. So if you have any experiences or wisdom to share please do! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242060-interceptors-your-thoughts/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crynn Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 They can be quite a difficult unit to master but also can be highly effective when used correctly. The ability to be able to hit vehicles side armour with their ranged weapons and threaten back field units so early in the game is not something to scoff at. On top of that, coupled with a Grand master for scoring they make great last minute objective or can use scout from the GM to get a first turn charge when you really need to tie up a unit. THey unit takes work to get the most out of it and really requires a GM to truely become a worthwhile unit. Regards, Crynn Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242060-interceptors-your-thoughts/#findComment-2925456 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Something Wycked Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 I love Interceptors. I'm heavily biased towards them :P I think they're the best unit in the codex- if I could have a shooty Jump Infantry unit in one of the Marine codexes I'd probably still be playing them instead of switching to Grey Knights. I try to run my Interceptors in a 1:1 ratio with Dreadknights equipped with Personal Teleporters- they support each other, protecting each other from threats that they cannot handle alone. They have a great synergy together with their shared mobility. The mobility is key to a great many things. If you have superior mobility to your opponent, you can dictate the flow of battle- what units will enage which targets, how long they will engage them, everything. With superior mobility, you can keep your opponent exactly where you want him- and exactly where he doesn't want you. The Interceptors' psychic power- Warp Quake- is also oriented towards mobility. Specifically, your opponent's Deep Strike mobility. If your opponent, before the game, declares any unit to be arriving from Reserves via Deep Strike, make sure you cast that power with every Strike Squad and Interceptor unit every turn. Warp Quake is arguably the most effective area denial ability against opposing Deep Strikers in the game. I run mine in this pattern: 10 Interceptors, 1 Hammer, 2 Psycannons, Psybolts: 310 points. Psycannons are the best all-round ranged weapon in the handheld GK arsenal, able to throw out a lot of shots as well as open vehicles of any armor value. Incinerators are superior against large units or Swarms, but they are also very expensive on Interceptors. The Hammer enables your Interceptors to defend against Monstrous Creatures and Walkers effectively, as well as giving them a chance to act as a can opener on enemy vehicles. When you factor in the cost of transport for your other squads, Interceptors are really only a few points more expensive- and have the added bonus of putting out a lot of firepower at all times instead of being restricted by a transport. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242060-interceptors-your-thoughts/#findComment-2925465 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 yep . NDK +interceptors as formation and that is more or less it . technicly you could run a single unit and make it scout/scoring/etc with a GK GM , but most of the time people go for other units. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242060-interceptors-your-thoughts/#findComment-2925488 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Holy Heretic Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 I haven't got any power armoured GKs in my army, but should I get some, I'd definitely get some interceptors first ^_^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242060-interceptors-your-thoughts/#findComment-2925662 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr von Hohenheim Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 I've been using a unit of five with an incinerator (because that's all I have) and I like them a lot. Being able to teleport 30" from your board edge from reserve can be useful, and is safer than deepstriking. I'd like to get another five with a psycannon at some point. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242060-interceptors-your-thoughts/#findComment-2925723 Share on other sites More sharing options...
amuro_ray Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 Just Curious can you use warp shunt for scout move ? this might be an auto win against necrons...just give ur interceptors nemesis falchions and multicharge!! :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242060-interceptors-your-thoughts/#findComment-2925801 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr von Hohenheim Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 can you use warp shunt for scout move ? Sadly, no. They put that in the FAQ. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242060-interceptors-your-thoughts/#findComment-2925842 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 I haven't tried them yet, but I'm definitely on board with Crynn and SomeWyck in this case. They're like super Assault Troops from the vanilla dex. Very high mobility, excellent fire power options; they've got all sorts of uses, provided you don't misuse their mobility to overextend them or otherwise put them in a bad spot. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242060-interceptors-your-thoughts/#findComment-2925862 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Something Wycked Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 They're like super Assault Troops from the vanilla dex. Very high mobility, excellent fire power options; they've got all sorts of uses, provided you don't misuse their mobility to overextend them or otherwise put them in a bad spot. ^_^ Too true! Comparing the two: Mobility: Interceptors (Shunt) Assault power: Interceptors (Power Weapons outshine the additional attacks, even without Hammerhand/Force Weapon ID) Shooting power: Interceptors (Stormbolters, sometimes S5, + Psycannons vs. Bolt Pistols, Flamers, Plas. Pistols) Multi-role capability: Interceptors (Anti-personnel, anti-tank, anti-MC/IC [NFW!], and anti-Deep Strike w/ Warp Quake) Survivability: Identical. For all the Interceptors' abilities and uses, they go down just as fast- and cost a lot more. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242060-interceptors-your-thoughts/#findComment-2925887 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 My feeling is that (with swords and storm bolters) they hit as hard or a little harder in melee than a vanilla assault team (the former through power weapon attacks, the latter through sheer volume of attacks) but their pre-charge (or even sans-charge) shooting can be epic. 24" range, potentially at S5, not to mention rear armor shots with psycannons and Incinerators are a nice step up from flamers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242060-interceptors-your-thoughts/#findComment-2925912 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Dimetrius Posted November 17, 2011 Author Share Posted November 17, 2011 Excellent stuff, just what I was looking for. Thanks! Chances are good they'll find a way into my army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242060-interceptors-your-thoughts/#findComment-2925920 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Something Wycked Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 My feeling is that (with swords and storm bolters) they hit as hard or a little harder in melee than a vanilla assault team (the former through power weapon attacks, the latter through sheer volume of attacks) I did the math- unupgraded squad vs unupgraded squad, each getting the charge on their targets (as properly used JI should). The Interceptors are equally good against GEQ; the armor saves negate the advantage of the Assault Marines in number of attacks. From there, Interceptors really start to shine versus the Assault Marines- the harder the target gets, the more the Assault Marines pale in comparison. Add in Stormbolters to the equation and there's really no contest, Interceptors win hands down. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242060-interceptors-your-thoughts/#findComment-2926228 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Fox Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 That and there's something to be said for any man who's willing to strap a personal warp portal maker to his back and run through the warp on foot against legions of demons that eat lesser men's minds for breakfast in nothing but power armor... Just sayin... ;) Also keep in mind that they can be air dropped from Storm Ravens and have basically no deviation on where they land. Kinda useful for pinpoint "I land in that alley you thought nothing could fit in!" strikes behind enemy lines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242060-interceptors-your-thoughts/#findComment-2926230 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 They're like super Assault Troops from the vanilla dex. Very high mobility, excellent fire power options; they've got all sorts of uses, provided you don't misuse their mobility to overextend them or otherwise put them in a bad spot. ;) Too true! Comparing the two: Mobility: Interceptors (Shunt) Assault power: Interceptors (Power Weapons outshine the additional attacks, even without Hammerhand/Force Weapon ID) Shooting power: Interceptors (Stormbolters, sometimes S5, + Psycannons vs. Bolt Pistols, Flamers, Plas. Pistols) Multi-role capability: Interceptors (Anti-personnel, anti-tank, anti-MC/IC [NFW!], and anti-Deep Strike w/ Warp Quake) Survivability: Identical. For all the Interceptors' abilities and uses, they go down just as fast- and cost a lot more. Don't forget: Scoring: Interceptors can be made a Scoring unit by a GKGM, should the mission scenario warrant it. Valerian Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242060-interceptors-your-thoughts/#findComment-2926333 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murcielago Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 I dont think you can count that Valerian, because Blood Angel assault marines come as troops already. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242060-interceptors-your-thoughts/#findComment-2926401 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Something Wycked Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 I dont think you can count that Valerian, because Blood Angel assault marines come as troops already. I'll give that to you, but Valerian raises a great point. C:SM Assault Marines cannot score, while with a GKGM Interceptors can score. Blood Angels is a whole different topic, but you're right, their Assault Marines always score. ;) On that note, BA Assault Marines have an advantage over C:SM due to the ease of gaining Furious Charge, as well as an advantage is survivability over both C:SM and Interceptors through FnP. Interceptors still easily win the mobility, damage, and multi-role contests, while C:SM and C:BA Assault Marines win the low price contest :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242060-interceptors-your-thoughts/#findComment-2926598 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 This is good discussion. I was wondering about these guys as I build my first GK army. Thanks for making it more difficult! :o Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242060-interceptors-your-thoughts/#findComment-2926628 Share on other sites More sharing options...
antique_nova Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 I play 1750 points and i have three units of these guys: 10x interceptors 4x daemon hammers 2x psycannon psybolt ammo split the unit up evenly and that unit can deal with almost anything. Since i run three units of these and combat squad them i will have: 6 units of: 5x jump pack marines with shunt 2x daemon hammer 2x power weapon 1x psycannon psybolt ammo You can more of less shunt behind six targest in one turn. Deadly against anything and anyone. This shouldn't derail the thread too much, but i tried working a lsit with inteceptors and the link below shows me going through the list building process of making such a list work. http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...p;#entry2897452 thanks antique_nova Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242060-interceptors-your-thoughts/#findComment-2926646 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 That's a remarkably interesting alpha-strike list you've got there. How has it worked out for you? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242060-interceptors-your-thoughts/#findComment-2926662 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 I dont think you can count that Valerian, because Blood Angel assault marines come as troops already. We were comparing them to, "Assaut Troops from the vanilla dex," so Blood Angels' were not part of the equation. V Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242060-interceptors-your-thoughts/#findComment-2926752 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Lost Soldier Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 I would just like to add a note of caution in the interceptor to assault marine comparison, interceptors are 44-56% more points, depending on psybolt ammunition. It stands to reason that they should be better in just about every way. It's a greater point differential than between a fire warrior and a codex marine, and I'm sure everyone knows which they'd rather have. I do echo the sentiments of Cyrnn and Something Wycked though, they are damn good units and worth the points invested in them. They are the first thing I put in my lists now, outside of the minimum FOC requirements. As I noticed when my Codex marines became bike marines, relying on transports for mobility has a big weakness, kill the transport and you are a footslogger now and you have lost a a KP. Especially when everyone brings tools to kill transports ASAP. Keeping mobility down to the last man means you can do sneaky stuff like shunt away your last marine to hide behind a wall to conserve KP, or move to contest late game with jump move and running, get behind vehicles for rear armour shots, get behind firing lines to squishy stuff like devastators etc. Add a GKGM into the equation and it gets even better. Giving them scout and putting them on the field can give the enemy the threat of a first turn charge, forcing LR's and their ilk to deploy further back, or not at all. To name but one example. Outflanking or even normal reserve they can threaten the entire board with shooting (and a good chunk of the board with assault if they oppourtunity presents) when they arrive, and can use communion to arrive earlier. I like options, and GKI bring many many options to the table. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242060-interceptors-your-thoughts/#findComment-2927337 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noirceuil Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 I try to run my Interceptors in a 1:1 ratio with Dreadknights equipped with Personal Teleporters- they support each other, protecting each other from threats that they cannot handle alone. They have a great synergy together with their shared mobility. The Interceptors' psychic power- Warp Quake- is also oriented towards mobility. Specifically, your opponent's Deep Strike mobility. If your opponent, before the game, declares any unit to be arriving from Reserves via Deep Strike, make sure you cast that power with every Strike Squad and Interceptor unit every turn. Warp Quake is arguably the most effective area denial ability against opposing Deep Strikers in the game. I run mine in this pattern: 10 Interceptors, 1 Hammer, 2 Psycannons, Psybolts: 310 points. Psycannons are the best all-round ranged weapon in the handheld GK arsenal, able to throw out a lot of shots as well as open vehicles of any armor value. Incinerators are superior against large units or Swarms, but they are also very expensive on Interceptors. The Hammer enables your Interceptors to defend against Monstrous Creatures and Walkers effectively, as well as giving them a chance to act as a can opener on enemy vehicles. When you factor in the cost of transport for your other squads, Interceptors are really only a few points more expensive- and have the added bonus of putting out a lot of firepower at all times instead of being restricted by a transport. Sounds good. What is your opinion regarding a squad of Interceptors riding in a SR? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242060-interceptors-your-thoughts/#findComment-2927477 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freman Bloodglaive Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 In my view Interceptors are not the assault marines of the Grey Knight list, they're more the bike squads. They're primarily a shooting squad with great mobility. As such they have less mobility (no turbo boost but a one turn shunt) but more shooting (storm bolters and psycannon versus twin-linked bolters and multi-meltas) and better close combat with their power weapons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242060-interceptors-your-thoughts/#findComment-2927531 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murcielago Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 I dont think you can count that Valerian, because Blood Angel assault marines come as troops already. We were comparing them to, "Assaut Troops from the vanilla dex," so Blood Angels' were not part of the equation. V Well why not compare them to the army that has the greatest assault marines, instead of the army that will probably never use the ones they've got? That way we get to see how ours really outshine over theirs Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242060-interceptors-your-thoughts/#findComment-2927544 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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