Dusktiger Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 can he be taken with a squad of DC that dont have jump packs? or if you take him, do you have to give them jump packs as well? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242122-lemartes-question/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malatox Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 You can take him with an un-jumpacked squad of DC, but he moves at the same speed as they do as long as they're joined to each other. Malatox Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242122-lemartes-question/#findComment-2926607 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morollan Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Would also mean they can't be transported in anything other than a Stormraven. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242122-lemartes-question/#findComment-2926609 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Would also mean they can't be transported in anything other than a Stormraven. This is true, but 10 DC, Lemartes and a Stormraven is a pretty cool unit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242122-lemartes-question/#findComment-2926613 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnaeph34rn473 Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 The only thing that makes that more awesome is a DC dread strapped to the bottom. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242122-lemartes-question/#findComment-2926618 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Captain Lucius Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 An add on to this question that myself and my gaming group are always arguing about: If you buy Lemartes for an Un-Jump Packed DC can they still choose a Dedicated Transport. The entry states if the Squad has jump packs then they may not choose a DT. My reasoning is that they can as the squad doesnt have Jump Packs, Lemartes does. Their reasoning is that he's an upgrade part of the squad, therefore no DT can be chosen. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242122-lemartes-question/#findComment-2926875 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morollan Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 Sure they can choose a DT - they just can't get in it. As Lemartes cannot leave the squad and is Jump Infantry. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242122-lemartes-question/#findComment-2927026 Share on other sites More sharing options...
knife&fork Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 An add on to this question that myself and my gaming group are always arguing about: If you buy Lemartes for an Un-Jump Packed DC can they still choose a Dedicated Transport. The entry states if the Squad has jump packs then they may not choose a DT. My reasoning is that they can as the squad doesnt have Jump Packs, Lemartes does. Their reasoning is that he's an upgrade part of the squad, therefore no DT can be chosen. Lemartes (if taken) is not an independent character and thus considered part of the squad for all intents and purposes, despite his wargear and separate statline. Why would it matter that you think that he's an "upgrade"? The word isn't even written once in the DC or Lemartes entry anyway. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242122-lemartes-question/#findComment-2927030 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Chris Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 I'm sorry, but I'm sure they can't take any dedicated transport if they have Lemartes. The Death Company is classed as 'a squad' in its description, probably a cut a paste, as it should say 'unit'. It adds that the DC 'can include Lemartes'. That automatically means that the squad does have a jump-pack, even if it is only on one of the members. I am sure you would then have to take a storm raven as a heavy support choice. Unless there's an FAQ about this? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242122-lemartes-question/#findComment-2927673 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbusePuppy Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 I don't think the rules have a clear resolution to whether a single member of a squad having a piece of gear is the same as the entire squad having it. I would interpret it as allowing them to take the transport since they did not purchase the "The entire unit can take jump packs for XXpts per model" option, but it's not a terribly strong argument. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242122-lemartes-question/#findComment-2927686 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taranis Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 E An add on to this question that myself and my gaming group are always arguing about: If you buy Lemartes for an Un-Jump Packed DC can they still choose a Dedicated Transport. The entry states if the Squad has jump packs then they may not choose a DT. My reasoning is that they can as the squad doesnt have Jump Packs, Lemartes does. Their reasoning is that he's an upgrade part of the squad, therefore no DT can be chosen. No need to expand the rules. This would mean that a 17 man squad was prohibited from taking any kind of transport as nothing is big enough. I believe in the written codex options. Then by following the rules (no jumping in the car) when playing. Games will then reveal if it was a sound tactic. :D Perhaps a Raven comes by? :o Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242122-lemartes-question/#findComment-2927707 Share on other sites More sharing options...
knife&fork Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 No need to expand the rules. This would mean that a 17 man squad was prohibited from taking any kind of transport as nothing is big enough. I believe in the written codex options. Then by following the rules (no jumping in the car) when playing. Games will then reveal if it was a sound tactic. :lol: Perhaps a Raven comes by? :( The difference would be that taking a transport with smaller capacity than the members of your squad is not explicitly prohibited in the unit entry, while jumps packs and transports are. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242122-lemartes-question/#findComment-2927735 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taranis Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 No need to expand the rules. This would mean that a 17 man squad was prohibited from taking any kind of transport as nothing is big enough. I believe in the written codex options. Then by following the rules (no jumping in the car) when playing. Games will then reveal if it was a sound tactic. :lol: Perhaps a Raven comes by? ;) The difference would be that taking a transport with smaller capacity than the members of your squad is not explicitly prohibited in the unit entry, while jumps packs and transports are. Good point. I'll withdraw a smiley and consider the problem a bit more serious. :( :lol: :eek I now support the part about Lemartes prohibits transports. Point taken. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242122-lemartes-question/#findComment-2927756 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morollan Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 As I said a couple of days ago, there's nothing in the rules that prevents the squad taking a Dedicated Transport. They simply cannot use it. As they're not forced to use it though, that's not a problem. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242122-lemartes-question/#findComment-2928059 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Chris Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 The rules do prohibit it. 'If the squad does not have jump-packs, it can select any dedicated transport'. Same as the VV. I am sure that even if there is only the one on Lemartes, the squad has a jump-pack, at least, and these rules kick in. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242122-lemartes-question/#findComment-2928076 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusktiger Posted November 21, 2011 Author Share Posted November 21, 2011 guys, guys; your getting off topic; this thread is about whether you have to give the squad jump packs if you take lemartes. not about DT. stop thread jacking and make a new thread about the DT if you want to discuss it so much. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242122-lemartes-question/#findComment-2928170 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 dusktiger, I would not consider this a threadjaking. It was a legitimate followup question. Your question was answered in the very first response. But, as both the original question is answered as is the follow up question, this thread is no longer needed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242122-lemartes-question/#findComment-2928218 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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