Legatus Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Naw. There are a few changes and a lot of new detail, but pretty much everything in those quotes still applies (word for word, as it happens). Ah, I see. That's interresting to hear. From one of your early remarks (explaining that the Ultramarines could win at Calth because other than the Word Bearers they were led by their Primarch) and from what I had heard about 'Aurelian' I thought Lorgar wouldn't be there. (At least I had assumed Lorgar would have chosen the path to pursue his personal goal, instead of revenge, but then I have not read it yet.) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242228-terra-invasion-question/page/2/#findComment-2929387 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 I HATE CHANGE. I don't even like getting money back for Cokes and candy bars. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242228-terra-invasion-question/page/2/#findComment-2929398 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Naw. There are a few changes and a lot of new detail, but pretty much everything in those quotes still applies (word for word, as it happens). Ah, I see. That's interresting to hear. From one of your early remarks (explaining that the Ultramarines could win at Calth because other than the Word Bearers they were led by their Primarch) and from what I had heard about 'Aurelian' I thought Lorgar wouldn't be there. (At least I had assumed Lorgar would have chosen the path to pursue his personal goal, instead of revenge, but then I have not read it yet.) Lorgar's not at Calth. The old lore says he's in Ultramar, and he's most definitely there. Calth is Kor Phaeron's game. EDIT: Sorry, I'm not trying to be terse; I'm trying to post fast and run away, rather than hang about too much. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242228-terra-invasion-question/page/2/#findComment-2929406 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Lord Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Do Chaos move around more easily during the Heresy than loyalists do? Or was Istvaan in fact not especially far from Ultramar, allowing the Word Bearers to head from Istvaan after the ambush to Ultramar to occupy the Ultramarines, (and the Night Lords to head from Istvaan to wherever Lion El'Jonson was, to keep them busy, which was close enough for Guilliman to send a message to Jonson later in the Heresy asking for his support) while the other traitor legions started moving in the direction of Terra? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242228-terra-invasion-question/page/2/#findComment-2929409 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Do Chaos move around more easily during the Heresy than loyalists do? Yes. Very, very yes. For reasons that will become clear in the near future, I suspect. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242228-terra-invasion-question/page/2/#findComment-2929414 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Lord Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 I got the impression the main reason was "friendly daemons". Throwing up warp storms to keep the loyalists isolated, and channelling powerful but not lethally hazardous currents, to send the traitor ships racing to their destinations. A bit like when, in the 13th Black Crusade, a chaos fleet crosses the galaxy in relatively short order to attack Perlia on the Eastern Fringe, in Sandy Mitchell's Cain's Last Stand- they were riding a fast current out of the Eye. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242228-terra-invasion-question/page/2/#findComment-2929421 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain ChonkE Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 And Lo doth ChonkE predict that the 'new' "Last Battle" for ""Terra"" will not occur on the """Vengeful spirit""" but will take place in Horus' Warbunker somewhere on Earth... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242228-terra-invasion-question/page/2/#findComment-2929750 Share on other sites More sharing options...
atin Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 I believe all the traitor primarchs (barring maybe Alpharius/Omegon) were at Terra. Horus: Obviously! Angron: As mentioned he offers Sanguiniuis the ultimatum, and lets face it the World Eaters aren't going to miss the biggest intergalactic punch-up! Perturabo: He brings down the Palace walls (revenge for Dorn saying he could never do it!), there is no way Horus could breach it without him. Fulgrim: He went off slaughtering and enslaving the Terran populace. Lorgar: He and I believe over half of the Word Bearers (with millions of cultists and daemons) were at Terra. I know for sure the Warmonger a.k.a Sor Talgron (34th host) and Argel Tal were there. By the time of the Heresy the Word Bearers numbered 150,000, and half that number went with Kor Phaeron to Calth. Konrad Kurze: We know from Void Stalker that they were there as well, I'm guessing the Night Haunter was also present to lead them. Nostramo's purge happens after Terra en route back to Tsagualsa. Mortarion: The Death Guard were most definitely there, they appeared out the warp as complete mutants and brought all Nurgle's daemons with them. I believe they were the last to leave Terra, as they methodically extracted themselves with a fighting retreat. Magnus: I think they are also present, teleporting in from the Planet of Sorcerers. We know Magnus can move around more easily now that he has shed his mortal coil, but I'm not sure about the Thousand Suns. Alpharius/Omegon: Who knows!! As for battles, we know there is Signus Prime, Calth, Tallarn (Iron Warriors and Iron Hands/Imperial Guard), and Night Lords vs Dark Angels. However that being said there are seven years between Istvaan and Terra, so there will be many battles and unexpected events to come. We know Lorgar and Angron skip off to the Calth system together as is mentioned in Aurelian (whether they take part or not is unknown but they do cross paths with the Ultras). Space Wolves link up with the White Scars and fight Alpha Legion but that happens closer to the time of Terra, so what were they doing before hand? In Deliverence Lost we see Raven Guard engaging Word Bearers and Alpha Legion. We dont even know what happens to Salamanders and Iron Hands, but from what I can tell from my conversations with the authors, they are still in the game. Iron warriors must be up to more than Tallarn, and I'm sure Horus and his Wolves will be wrecking havoc against some legions (we have seen them engage Iron Hands and White Scars). Finally, I dont think the Death Guard were in the warp for seven years, there will be more to that story! Fun and games to come, expect twists and turns. if I interpret the dark king correct, the purging of nostramo's happens before the siege of terra. or am i wrong? can someone clarify ? atin Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242228-terra-invasion-question/page/2/#findComment-2929795 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Lorgar's not at Calth. The old lore says he's in Ultramar, and he's most definitely there. Calth is Kor Phaeron's game. EDIT: Sorry, I'm not trying to be terse; I'm trying to post fast and run away, rather than hang about too much. No sweat. I am perfectly happy with brief and concise replies. I agree, Kor Phaeron is in charge on Calth. Just like it is Captain Ventanus directing the defense. Though the Collected Visions does describe how after a while Guilliman is able to get through to him and co-ordinate their efforts. But Guilliman and Lorgar were largely occupied directing the fleet battles, it seems. if I interpret the dark king correct, the purging of nostramo's happens before the siege of terra.or am i wrong? can someone clarify ? The destruction of Nostramo happened even before Istvaan. The Night Lords destroyed Nostramo and then started their bloody crusade, and the Emperor was about to summon them to Terra when the Heresy started. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242228-terra-invasion-question/page/2/#findComment-2929834 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Power Hungry Monkey Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 I'm pretty sure the White Scars and the Khan were at the Terra. Infact the Khan rode out of the Eternity Gate leading a spear-head of WSs to delay the inevitable. I remember reading this a long time ago but couldn't say where now. Also there is the famous diorama of the Siege of the Emperor's Palace with Jaghatai Khan and his WSs doing just that http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/ad224/PowerHungryMonkey/Siege.jpg Thats him riding the Rhino in the middle In terms of future battles/books I really hope they continue on after the death of Horus to the immediate aftermarth the events then. There are some great bits of history that have to be mentioned at that point, first and foremost being the Iron Cage. There's also the Assiniation of Night Haunter and the final showdown between the Ultramarines and the Alpha Legion. I'm unsure of its place in the time-line but we still have to have the destruction of Caliban as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242228-terra-invasion-question/page/2/#findComment-2930972 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulf Vengis Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 Thats him riding the Rhino in the middle Oh yeah I see him. No, no wait. Thats just Bob from accounting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242228-terra-invasion-question/page/2/#findComment-2931246 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 It is commonly known, and long time established background, that the Imperial Fists, White Scars and Blood Angels were the loyalist Legions defending terra, including the respective Primarch, of course. It is the involvement of all the different traitor Primarchs that is unclear. Except for Horus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242228-terra-invasion-question/page/2/#findComment-2931282 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimdarkness Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 It is commonly known, and long time established background, that the Imperial Fists, White Scars and Blood Angels were the loyalist Legions defending terra, including the respective Primarch, of course. It is the involvement of all the different traitor Primarchs that is unclear. Except for Horus. True but we do know which legions where there SoH EC IW WE are well established. As for future battles there is the wolfs and dark angles race to terra as well as what the UM where up to in the east. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242228-terra-invasion-question/page/2/#findComment-2931296 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconis Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 Here is the original Siege of Terra story by Bill King that was printed in White Dwarf. I have the issue somewhere but can't find it (came with a Horus Heresy mini-board game!)- it looks like it's transcribed accurately though. http://members.tripod.com/orcrist_game/40k/id3.html It says Fulgrim, Magnus, Angron and Mortarian were all there with their legions. Obviously things can be ret-conned though... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242228-terra-invasion-question/page/2/#findComment-2931457 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[TA]Typher Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Here is the original Siege of Terra story by Bill King that was printed in White Dwarf. I have the issue somewhere but can't find it (came with a Horus Heresy mini-board game!)- it looks like it's transcribed accurately though. http://members.tripod.com/orcrist_game/40k/id3.html It says Fulgrim, Magnus, Angron and Mortarian were all there with their legions. Obviously things can be ret-conned though... I always thought this was a masterpiece. Flesh it out Games Workshop and dont change it too much and I'll be a loyal customer for a lifetime. I would be crushed if they dumbed it down, or changed it dramatically. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242228-terra-invasion-question/page/2/#findComment-2933633 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 It's pretty much the account given on the Visions of Heresy book, and yes, it's great. All I want to know now is how each Primarch present there fared. Oh, and Sigismund, I want to see Sigismund collecting heads. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242228-terra-invasion-question/page/2/#findComment-2933669 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legionator Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Alpharius was doing sabotage missions against loyalists and Curze was pillaging eastern fringe. The others (except Magnus) had no reason not to be in the siege. Angron led the final assault to inner palace, Perturabo led the titans and siege machines, Fulgrim massacred civilians. I don't know what did Lorgar and Mortarion do. Probably they didn't do anything specific. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242228-terra-invasion-question/page/2/#findComment-2933817 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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