hendrik Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 hey mates! it's been a while since i started my own topic but with an upcoming small apocalypse game (+-4000'ish points on each side, no superheavies allowed) against a combined necrons and bloodangels force i'm looking for some units that are extremely fun to play. one of my ideas was to have ragnar with kitted out wolf guard retinue in a stormraven and give ragnar the legion's relic stratagem, using the spear of russ and thus doubling his base profile attacks and making them S10! another unit i'd like to use is a valkyrie, although i still don't have a clue what to put in it do you guys have any other suggestions, units or stratagems to take? note it's a game for fun, but i'd just love to see the face of my opponent when ragnar and his wolfguard hit my opponents lines! most likely i'll be facing a ton of warriors, a cathan shard, some kitted out lords and monoliths as well as some deathcompany units and lots of furiouso librarian dreadnoughts. i know the topic might be more fitted in the apocalypse section but since it's just for fun i'd rather hear my wolf brothers their ideas instead of the opinions of some apocalypse playing dudes i've never heard of before :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242422-fun-space-wolves-apocalypse-units/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arez Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 hey mates! it's been a while since i started my own topic but with an upcoming small apocalypse game (+-4000'ish points on each side, no superheavies allowed) against a combined necrons and bloodangels force i'm looking for some units that are extremely fun to play. one of my ideas was to have ragnar with kitted out wolf guard retinue in a stormraven and give ragnar the legion's relic stratagem, using the spear of russ and thus doubling his base profile attacks and making them S10! another unit i'd like to use is a valkyrie, although i still don't have a clue what to put in it do you guys have any other suggestions, units or stratagems to take? note it's a game for fun, but i'd just love to see the face of my opponent when ragnar and his wolfguard hit my opponents lines! most likely i'll be facing a ton of warriors, a cathan shard, some kitted out lords and monoliths as well as some deathcompany units and lots of furiouso librarian dreadnoughts. i know the topic might be more fitted in the apocalypse section but since it's just for fun i'd rather hear my wolf brothers their ideas instead of the opinions of some apocalypse playing dudes i've never heard of before :P how are you going to use a stormraven and valkyrie?or since its for fun your opponents allowed it? I say Grimnar with full 10 man termie pack,Ragnar leading a 15 man BC pack in a LRC(over 70 attacks on the charge),A few RP's with JOTWW, Couple more packs of termies,and whatever tanks you like. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242422-fun-space-wolves-apocalypse-units/#findComment-2930839 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Wulfen Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 i like the idea of alot of terminators with some tanks to back it up. and maybe some skyclaws jumping out of the valk the 101st howling wolves unit(lol) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242422-fun-space-wolves-apocalypse-units/#findComment-2930850 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted November 24, 2011 Author Share Posted November 24, 2011 it's an apocalypse game! we're allowed to bring everything we've got besides superheavies. hence why i'm facing a combined bloodangels-necron force (although i believe there's a bookw here the two of them work together). in my case it just means my space wolves army+ a couple units i painted for fun such as a valkyrie manned by some kaerls and a stormraven in space wolves colours. ragnar+ bloodclaws isn't such a viable unit, he's far better of by joining greyhunters or wolfguard i'm affraid. i'm pretty sure i'm sticking with him taking the legion relic though, 8+D3 S10 I6 attacks on the charge is just cruel :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242422-fun-space-wolves-apocalypse-units/#findComment-2930851 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arez Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 i'm pretty sure i'm sticking with him taking the legion relic though, 8+D3 S10 I6 attacks on the charge is just cruel :D where did you find the spear of russ stats?or did you make them up? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242422-fun-space-wolves-apocalypse-units/#findComment-2930866 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 @arez: there is a marine stratagem called the Legion Relic, it grants S10 and doubles the A of the person carrying it. the downside is if the bearer dies you lose an objective.\ @hendrik:i would personally give it to a wolf lord with a SS and SotB on a TWM. this is the most survivable character we can field without wast the abilities of out special characters. this monster would also have A10. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242422-fun-space-wolves-apocalypse-units/#findComment-2930888 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arez Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 @arez: there is a marine stratagem called the Legion Relic, it grants S10 and doubles the A of the person carrying it. the downside is if the bearer dies you lose an objective.\ Where do you find this? @hendrik:i would personally give it to a wolf lord with a SS and SotB on a TWM. this is the most survivable character we can field without wast the abilities of out special characters. this monster would also have A10. By what WLK says i agree. Why not make a wolf lord specifically to hold the spear? OH and another unit idea: fen wolves.yes they'l die but they are good for weakening a squad and/or stalling a squad Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242422-fun-space-wolves-apocalypse-units/#findComment-2930974 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted November 24, 2011 Author Share Posted November 24, 2011 i would personally give it to a wolf lord with a SS and SotB on a TWM. this is the most survivable character we can field without wast the abilities of out special characters. this monster would also have A10. i actually think ragnar might be the quite with the chance of him possibly taking one of those sniper assassins that allow you no armour or equipmentsave. ragnars dodge allows him that precious inv save. coming to think of it i might actually have to use one of those snipers as a personal favourite of erik morkai! not to mention i'd just love to see the opponents face when the already feared ragnar jumps out of the stormraven and starts tearing apart unit by unit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242422-fun-space-wolves-apocalypse-units/#findComment-2930983 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 @arez: apoc reload book. @hendrik: my only problem is rags holding it is his t4, 3+/4++ save. take a single battle cannon or p-fist and you lose both the strat and a good hero. i would rather split the two up for mass carnage. also, i thought the vindicare sniper took away all invul saves, not just those granted by wargear. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242422-fun-space-wolves-apocalypse-units/#findComment-2931177 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeslikethunder Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 It does say "loses any invulnerable save granted by items of wargear" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242422-fun-space-wolves-apocalypse-units/#findComment-2931187 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 It does say "loses any invulnerable save granted by items of wargear" And ragnar uses his reflexes rule for the invulnerable save...not wargear On the other hand...points are not an issue in Apoc so buy your WL both a SS and BoR. Will still have his invulnerable save if a sniper only breaks one Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242422-fun-space-wolves-apocalypse-units/#findComment-2931317 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted November 25, 2011 Author Share Posted November 25, 2011 It does say "loses any invulnerable save granted by items of wargear" And ragnar uses his reflexes rule for the invulnerable save...not wargear On the other hand...points are not an issue in Apoc so buy your WL both a SS and BoR. Will still have his invulnerable save if a sniper only breaks one i actually think it would still destroy both of them. the way i understand the wording is that any saves atributed to wargear are removed for the rest of the game. so if the assasin removes the armour of just about anything that model won't get any safe for the remainder of the game, unless it's a save caused by skills, psychic powers etc Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242422-fun-space-wolves-apocalypse-units/#findComment-2931374 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellrender Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 Ragnar's invulnerable save is not caused by wargear, but by his skill. A rosarius/iron halo would be an invulnerable save caused by wargear. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242422-fun-space-wolves-apocalypse-units/#findComment-2931386 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted November 25, 2011 Author Share Posted November 25, 2011 so today i took the time to write out a list using about every miniature i had while still sounding viable. here's the apocalypse list, wadda ya think? 4 vindicare assasins ragnar (legion relic, can't help it but i just love the idea of rags using the spear of russ) logan 8grey hunters, MG,PF,wolf standard +WG (PF,combimelta) these go into: stormraven: MM,TLAC,hurricane bolters, EA WG: -TDA:combiplasma -TDA: -TDA: WC -TDA: CF,combimelta -TDA: AC -ARJAC wolf guard battle leader;SS,WC runepriest, jaws,stormcaller, bolter these go into: landraider crusader: EA, MM 8 bloodclaws:flamer,PF, rhino +WG(PF,combimelta) wolfpriest 8grey hunters: meltagun,wolf standard,PW +WG(PF,combimelta) these go into: valkyrie: lascannon,heavy bolters, missile pod systems 6 greyhunters, PG,PF, razorback; TLLC 6grey hunters:PG,PW lone wolf,TDA;CF,SS 2 landspeeders:MM,HB 4long fangs: 3PC 4 long fangs: 3ML +WG;TDA:CML 4long fangs: 3 HB 5long fangs: 4LC +njal:TDA vindicator:EA 8 grey hunters: meltagun, wolf standard, droppod +WG (PF,combimelta) dreadnought(EA,HF,AC), droppod dreadnought(EA,ML,AC) dreadnought (EA,PC,HF),droppod dreadnought (TLLC, HF),droppod 8 scouts, 2PW,meltagun +WG(PF,combimelta wolf priest:runic armour,saga of the hunter 4swiftclaws+attackbike wolfpriest: bike wolf lord:bike,belt of russ,combimelta,FB that's about 6333 pts and pretty much all the miniatures i have Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242422-fun-space-wolves-apocalypse-units/#findComment-2931530 Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoungWolf Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 I´m playing a apoc. game at the moment, 28 k per side. The one think I learned is that flankmarch is the greatest thing you can have. So just get 3 dreadnoughts and a ironpriest (anicent assault force, IA apoc). I´m fielding the bigger part of my collection around 8,4k but I had to drop 800 points so the sides would get close in points. One other thing you should have is Bjorn, his staying power is great and with a Iron priest that repairs him on 2+ and can help in second round of close combat, he is going to live along time. :) Hope the game become EPIC and worthy of the space wolves! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242422-fun-space-wolves-apocalypse-units/#findComment-2932295 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skoll Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 thunderwolf cavalry , if there is any chance to field em apoc is it, also wulfen units from the 13th company eye of terror mini codex Not to mention a wolf guard squad with all plasma pistols XD Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242422-fun-space-wolves-apocalypse-units/#findComment-2932555 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted November 27, 2011 Author Share Posted November 27, 2011 thunderwolf cavalry , if there is any chance to field em apoc is it, also wulfen units from the 13th company eye of terror mini codex despite their lovely stats i've actually sworn an oath not to use any thunderwolves, ever. i really dislike the idea, even it it were a mechanical wolf. i quite like the all plasma wolfguard idea. put 'em in a pod and have them land right infront of a juicy target. i'm thinking combiplasma might be more interesting though (rapid fire instead of pistol) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242422-fun-space-wolves-apocalypse-units/#findComment-2932602 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skoll Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 I like pistols cause they can always assault after using them. I'm in the process of building an all WG army but I shall forsake all common sense and use all PA WG in rhinos with plasma pistols , I can get 50 of em at 2k points(already included cost of logan and rhinos in there for those wondering) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242422-fun-space-wolves-apocalypse-units/#findComment-2932741 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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