khurdur Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 well, I've been thinking.... who could take Abby in a straight fight? He'll take marneus, he'll kill Draigo as he's neither a daemon or a psyker, he'll kill mephiston, perhaps only the sanguinor will kill him, and only because of his re-rolls. At S8, he instadeaths both nobs and paladins....he's a mean killing machine with between 6-10 attacks ! What do you think? is he greatest killing machine or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castiel Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 Ghazghull maybe? I haven't seen his profile, so I'm just guessing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 A whole lot if he rolls a 1 :D DE characters? Lilith Asdrubael? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nihm Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 is he greatest killing machine or not?That depends on how you plan to deliver him to the melee. Short answer, no, he's not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellios Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 He should also beat Lysander although it isn't madness that Lysander might beat him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkmagi Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 At my lgs a while ago we had a "hero's battle" basically pick your special character and duke it out, no charge bonuses just as if locked in combat... I watched Abbadon take down every enemy model placed against him, the only model that went into round 2 of combat was a Karos because of the re-rolls he got. Abbys biggest advantage after the number of attacks was his speed at I6 he goes before most other units and at ws7 most things need a 4+ just to hit. So yes Abby is a beast in CC.... but shoot the crap outta him and he dies like anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 a LR dude not changing foc without any special rules in an army which doesnt realy have transports for him . try to charge him anything which sits in cover and you will see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khurdur Posted November 28, 2011 Author Share Posted November 28, 2011 its a moot question...in an unfair fight, abaddon vs another character, no things like cover and needing a LR to reach them...just sheer close combat badassedness. The only one I can think of that can beat him would be Ghazkull with his "green magic" turned on.....Abby's large amount of attacks....at high strength and the rest of his high characteristics ought to allow him beat most SCs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khestra the Unbeheld Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 a LR dude not changing foc without any special rules in an army which doesnt realy have transports for him . try to charge him anything which sits in cover and you will see. This. The lack of grenades really hurts him, and his daemon weapon hurts him. Just like a lot of things in this Codex, if it works at all it works really well, but there's no guarantee it will work at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 its a moot question...in an unfair fight, abaddon vs another character, no things like cover and needing a LR to reach them...just sheer close combat badassedness.The only one I can think of that can beat him would be Ghazkull with his "green magic" turned on.....Abby's large amount of attacks....at high strength and the rest of his high characteristics ought to allow him beat most SCs. draigo has wounds him the same +2 with hammer , has +3inv and same eternal and the same 4w. a SW lord on a TWC is the same only with one less wound [str 5 re-roll for claw , ss for +3inv , saga for eternal]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurglez Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Draigo doesn't have a hammer :o Personally I think Draigo is one of the toughest IC's, while abaddon is one of the most hitty IC's (as long as you roll well on his daemon weapon). My local gw did a battle of IC's and Draigo won it. But its all down to dice rolls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khurdur Posted November 28, 2011 Author Share Posted November 28, 2011 Draigo has only 4 S5 attacks, (S6 with hammerhand), and 4 wounds, and a storm shield. If we regard abaddons average roll for his daemon weap as 4, he will roll 8 attacks, 4 hits, and wounds with his re-roll due to his lightning claw. That should inflict 1 to 2 wounds on draigo. draigo will only roll 2 hits, around one wound and has to face a 4++ invul. And abby always swings first. he ought to win. The sanguinor will drop him, though. 6 S6 attacks at WS8 (ouch !) re-rolling everything, will kill him two turns. A SW lord is tough, but abby ought to take him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurglez Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Draigo has a mced wep, and if abaddon rolls a 1 for his weapon he risks hurting himself. I think its a close fight between the 2 of them to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Of course you mean 0-10 attacks... ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khurdur Posted November 28, 2011 Author Share Posted November 28, 2011 Yes, 0-10. My Abaddon never rolls a one when it counts, it happens to the player next door ! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Draigo doesn't have a hammer :D Personally I think Draigo is one of the toughest IC's, while abaddon is one of the most hitty IC's (as long as you roll well on his daemon weapon). My local gw did a battle of IC's and Draigo won it. But its all down to dice rolls. he can cast hammer hand he is str 6 then and wounds on +2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khurdur Posted November 28, 2011 Author Share Posted November 28, 2011 a 3+, Abaddon has 4/(5) toughness due to Mark of chaos ascendant... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AekoldHelbrass Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 he'll kill mephiston Tried to do this duel with my brother, 10:0 for Mephiston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morollan Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 he'll kill mephiston Tried to do this duel with my brother, 10:0 for Mephiston. That really surprises me. Abaddon should win vs Mephiston fairly easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nihm Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 he'll kill mephiston Tried to do this duel with my brother, 10:0 for Mephiston. That really surprises me. Abaddon should win vs Mephiston fairly easily. I'm not so sure, given Mephy's high initiative? dont have the book in front of me at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morollan Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 he'll kill mephiston Tried to do this duel with my brother, 10:0 for Mephiston. That really surprises me. Abaddon should win vs Mephiston fairly easily. I'm not so sure, given Mephy's high initiative? dont have the book in front of me at the moment. Meph hits first but even assuming Abaddon fails his Ld test for Transfixing Gaze, Meph only does 3.75 wounds, half of which are saved for 1.875 unsaved wounds. Abaddon does 3.75 wounds on average with no save = Meph dead in 2 turns but could easily die first turn if Abaddon gets the charge and rolls well for his daemon weapon attacks. Only thing that would save Meph would be Abaddon rolling a 1 every turn for his daemon weapon. For Meph to win 10 times in a row suggests that either the dice were very freaky or someone was doing something wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chengar Qordath Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 he'll kill mephiston Tried to do this duel with my brother, 10:0 for Mephiston. That really surprises me. Abaddon should win vs Mephiston fairly easily. I'm not so sure, given Mephy's high initiative? dont have the book in front of me at the moment. Meph hits first but even assuming Abaddon fails his Ld test for Transfixing Gaze, Meph only does 3.75 wounds, half of which are saved for 1.875 unsaved wounds. Abaddon does 3.75 wounds on average with no save = Meph dead in 2 turns but could easily die first turn if Abaddon gets the charge and rolls well for his daemon weapon attacks. Only thing that would save Meph would be Abaddon rolling a 1 every turn for his daemon weapon. For Meph to win 10 times in a row suggests that either the dice were very freaky or someone was doing something wrong. Don't forget Meph can buff himself with his psychic powers too. Still, I'd have to agree that statistically Meph should've lost some of those matches. Abaddon's 4+ invulnerable save and/or Daemon Weapon attacks should've made a difference at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morollan Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Don't forget Meph can buff himself with his psychic powers too. Still, I'd have to agree that statistically Meph should've lost some of those matches. Abaddon's 4+ invulnerable save and/or Daemon Weapon attacks should've made a difference at some point. That was including the buffs. Without those he does even worse as he only wounds on a 3+ rather than a 2+. Abaddon is one of the few characters in 40k that Meph doesn't :cusspwn in assault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Rawl Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Not to mention that Abomb has eternal warrior thanks to his unique mark so Mephy's Force Weapon cannot instanta gib him, must of had some bad dice rolls...ten times in a row... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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