andrewm9 Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 So the latest White Dwarf has 2 new formations for both Sisters and Grey Knights (it has Dark Eldar too but not relevant here :) ). The Sisters have one with a Canoness, 3+ Repentia, and 3+ Penitent Engine units. Its only about 50 points and it supplies the following benefits: The Canoness' act of Faith benefits the entire formation if successful (including the penitent engines) and the Shield of Faith save is bettered by 1 point so 5+ invuln save on all models as is the Repentia's Feel No Pain so a 3+ there. The next one involves 3 - 5 units of Retributors and Immolators with similar weapons called a team(like a retributor sqaud with 4 heavy bolters and its accompanying Immolator with a TL heavy bolter). The major benefit is you get an interesting attack. The attack has a differing profile depending on the weapons teams used to create which seem effective. I eitehr have to have 3 teams of the same type fire or 3 different teams fire. The attack goes against any unit touched by the 18" line you make and its ends are formed by being in range I believe. The heavy flamer is strong with 6d6 hits against each unit within range, no cover, STr 5 AP 4 The range is only 12" however. The mixed version is also nice with a 12" range, 2d6 hits (I think as I am operating from memory here), str 6, ap 3, melta, no cover. Another benefit is that if one unti succeeds on its act of faith all units in the formation beneift from it. The Grey knights have one with Castellan Crowe and 3+ units of 10 purifiers each.. They get a special hellstrom template attack with high str, an ap depending on the number of untis involved. Its a special psychic purifying flame they do. The other Grey Knights one involves a Dreadknight with a heavy psycannon and 3 Stormravens though I can't for the life of me remember exactly what it does at this time. It involves some sort of seeking anti-psychic missiles. While I appreciate that GW has shown these armies some Apoc love (yay for soem attention), all in all I wasn't terribly impressed as some of the formation have glaring weaknesses like the Reributor one. If you only have part of one of the team left it can longer participate in the special attack. Furthermore it would have been nice to get some strategems to go along with them fro both GK and Sisters and possibl some rules on how to handle 3000+ points of Sisters and get some more benefit out of yoru Acts of Faith without being arbitrary since I still only get 1d6 points per army. Sure I can declare I have 2 armies or soemething but then won't I have to restrict my rolls to each army and designate whihc unit is in which army. Despite my misgivings I am pleased as punch to see this. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242700-new-apoc-formations/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedemptionNL Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 The other Grey Knights one involves a Dreadknight with a heavy psycannon and 3 Stormravens though I can't for the life of me remember exactly what it does at this time. It involves some sort of seeking anti-psychic missiles. It is a Dreadknight with a Heavy Psycannon and 3 Stormravens with Psybolt ammunition. The Dreadknight can fire a special tracer round from the Psycannon (I believe same profile except that it isn't a blast weapon), and it that round hits, all weapons from the Stormravens that benefit from the Psybolt ammunition (so Assault cannons, Hurricane Bolters and Heavy Bolters) and their Mind-strike missiles automatically hit the traced target for the rest of the game. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242700-new-apoc-formations/#findComment-2934460 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Fox Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Alright... so I'll have to grab a copy of the latest White Dwarf then. Here I thought I could get away with not buying them for a while because we're on Necrons now... :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242700-new-apoc-formations/#findComment-2934535 Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewm9 Posted November 30, 2011 Author Share Posted November 30, 2011 Alright... so I'll have to grab a copy of the latest White Dwarf then. Here I thought I could get away with not buying them for a while because we're on Necrons now... :) Ever since the WD codex came out there has been something Sisters related in every White Dwarf. After years of starving for GW attention the army needs more. More I tell you! :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242700-new-apoc-formations/#findComment-2934550 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Fox Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Hehe... it's true! I thought I was fine with both halves of the 'Dex, then the Battle Missions one. Apparently now they're having me shell out another $10 for the Apocalypse formations! Hopefully I haven't missed one or two in there... especially since I had to get some of the Grey Knight/Inqusition ones too! I think I can skip 382 (last month) but need to pick up 383 now. EDIT: With the US Numbering, I believe issues 379 and 380 were the Sisters 'Dex, 381 was Sisters Battle Missions, and now 383 is Sisters/GK Apocalypse. Then there was a GK Battle Missions issue I had to grab, plus the one issue where they labeled the parts on the sprues and their intended purpose I picked up. At this rate I could have had most of a new Sisters squad! :) EDIT 2: Or after a quick call to one of the local GWs, maybe I totally can't... grrr... now I'll have to swing by and check on my way home and probably pick up one or both of them. Curses! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242700-new-apoc-formations/#findComment-2934615 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azezel Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Ever since the WD codex came out there has been something Sisters related in every White Dwarf. After years of starving for GW attention the army needs more. More I tell you! :) You'll excuse me if I'm not exactly thrilled. The Repentant Host is cheap and sort of useful in that it removes Rage from Penitent Engines and Repentia, making them almost worth using (Providing you can cram three plus PEs and three plus squads of Repentia into a 12 inch bubble). Oh, wait, it requires a useless Canonness, nevermind. I support this formation only because it means one can use it with that Strategic Asset that gives Rage to everything else in the army. Suddenly my crazy units are sane and my sane units are crazy and Oposite Day is an officially sanctioned Eccleisiarchy holiday. It's too funny not to love. As for Purge Squadron... what the actual hell? So you take a semi-crap Blood Angels formation, make it crappier and throw it to the Sisters. What are we supposed to do with it? Might've been sort of useful if it worked for Infantry without vehicles. Not that any formations or assets matter for Battle Sisters operating on d6 Faith Points for a 3'000 point plus army! Where's the Asset that increases that or gives us Acts of Faith worth a damn? I for one preferred apathy to insult. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242700-new-apoc-formations/#findComment-2934628 Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewm9 Posted November 30, 2011 Author Share Posted November 30, 2011 You'll excuse me if I'm not exactly thrilled. The Repentant Host is cheap and sort of useful in that it removes Rage from Penitent Engines and Repentia, making them almost worth using (Providing you can cram three plus PEs and three plus squads of Repentia into a 12 inch bubble). Oh, wait, it requires a useless Canonness, nevermind. I support this formation only because it means one can use it with that Strategic Asset that gives Rage to everything else in the army. Suddenly my crazy units are sane and my sane units are crazy and Oposite Day is an officially sanctioned Eccleisiarchy holiday. It's too funny not to love. As for Purge Squadron... what the actual hell? So you take a semi-crap Blood Angels formation, make it crappier and throw it to the Sisters. What are we supposed to do with it? Might've been sort of useful if it worked for Infantry without vehicles. Not that any formations or assets matter for Battle Sisters operating on d6 Faith Points for a 3'000 point plus army! Where's the Asset that increases that or gives us Acts of Faith worth a damn? I for one preferred apathy to insult. I read you Azezel. I'm not fond of the formations myself. Mainly because even with all the models I have I don't think I could field either formation. I don't have enough of one heavy weapon choice and I don't own 30 repentia which is teh minimum needed to field it. On another note by strict RAW the Holy War stratagem doesd not work anymore since none of our model have the Adepta Sororitas rule. The best substitute would be the Acts of Faith rule for that. the Purge sqaudron thing is weak since it requires a fully functioning Immolator along with the retributor squads to work. If one Immolator dies the team is useless now to the formation Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242700-new-apoc-formations/#findComment-2934691 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fredegar Kadere Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 The Repentant Host benefits are well worth the point cost required to field it. The ability to eliminate the drawback of Rage, formation wide Preferred Enemy, 5+ Shield of Faith, and 3+ Feel No Pain is crazy good. A 12" bubble is a 24" diameter which covers a nice chunk of board and it is all the easier if you pack the Canoness and the Repentia into some stolen Rhinos. Another thing to remember is that Repentia squads are a minimum of 5 so you only need 15 Repentia to field it. I find the 3+ Penitent Engines harder to field.. I hate that model and refuse to buy more until they fix it. The Repentant Host is a formation I will field every game as it removes the only downside to fielding Repentia. The Purge Squadron benefits are also worth the cost to field, but it would be very situational. Unless you get a first turn "Alpha Strike" with the formation then I fully expect it to crumble quickly. The initial 6" bubble makes it tough for troops with heavy weapons to deploy safely. One Destroyer strength pie plate makes the formation go bye bye. Provided the stars align and your Retributor squad and their Immolator transport survive for you to get in position, keeping in mind Strike Force only limits your deployment and coming from reserves, your return attack is crazy devastating. The big question comes down to whether the fire teams need to have all four of their heavy weapons still alive for it to work. The Heavy Bolter teams do 3d6 hits up to 36". The Heavy Flamer teams do 6d6 hits and ignore cover up to 12". The Multi-melta teams do 1d6 hits with melta up to 24". Combine one team of each and you do 4d6 hits, ignore cover, and deal melta up to 24".. The combined team also acts as str 6 and ap 3.. Each unit with a model within 1" of that 18" line takes that damage.. Die Spess Mahreens!! I haz a hat also, Grey Knight. I can see Holy War with a FAQ making this formation worthwhile. For its low point cost I will field this in any game where I have points to waste. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242700-new-apoc-formations/#findComment-2934789 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babel_Triumphant Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 Repentia with a 5++ and 3+ FNP makes them approach terminator levels of toughness. Seems good for 17 points. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242700-new-apoc-formations/#findComment-2934896 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 not when str6 or more is spamed in most armies and their FnP goes away from just that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242700-new-apoc-formations/#findComment-2934949 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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