Demus Ragnok Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 I'm new to the B&C and 40K in general but I have read a good bit and have become rather immersed in the universe as of late. I've commented on other's ideas a little in the past few weeks and now I would appreciate some critique of my own ideas. I have a pretty well formed idea for a DIY chapter but I have some key features I would like some feed back on before I write an IA for them. I've thought of using some antler iconography but I've become hesitant due to nurgle daemons being depicted with antlers. I don't want any possible association with the god of gross, thoughts please. Secondly. Is there any basis for weapons and armor used by traitor marines being captured and "purified" to be used by loyalists. For instance champion kills chaos champion takes his weapon as a trophy and starts using it. Third. Thoughts on a chapter having a special grudge against the Dark AdMech. Maybe even having units with a talent for hunting chaos titans. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242979-questions-before-i-post-a-full-ia/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
PyronusSouria Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 I don't see a problem with antler based iconography, myself. I'm guessing any Nurgle ones would be broken and twisted, right? Just do the opposite. Make them ordered, majestic and bright. As for purifying weapons, I'm not really sure about that one. I think that it can be done, and it would come down to an interpretation of the Chapter by other Chapters. Some Inquisitors do use Daemon Weapons after all. The grudge against the Dark AdMech would likely help make your second point either more or less valid, depending on how you look at it. Maybe their grudge leads to special relations with the good Mech, and they teach them how to purify weapons. Or, on the other hand, if they hate the Dark AdMech they maybe wouldn't want to even consider using former heretic weapons, destroying them on sight. Just thoughts :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242979-questions-before-i-post-a-full-ia/#findComment-2937315 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hrvat Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Another option is destroying Chaos with Chaos, so maybe they use chaos weapons to fight against Dark Mechanicus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242979-questions-before-i-post-a-full-ia/#findComment-2937340 Share on other sites More sharing options...
G3rman Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Look to the Relictors for your example to using chaos weapons, although they don't 'purify' theirs because their entire objective is using chaos to kill chaos. Purifying the weapon just makes it normal so to speak and loses the edge that the chaos gave it, evil and corrupting or no. I see little reason why your chapter would want to use these weapons as they have no significance other than a.) being evil and b.) being corrupted with chaos power. I'd steer away from the purifying as it isn't really touched on and is kind of pointless imo, either they use them for their chaos powers to kill chaos or they don't take them at all. Now if you just want trophies then there are plenty of other chapters that have taken trophies and that isn't a big deal; using them is. I think you should ask yourself why they would have a problem with rogue AdMech. That would imply that they may have some link with the Adeptus Mechanicus and when SM and AdMech are a little too close, we have seen by experience that this leads to a lot of angry Inquisitors and High Lords (Sons of Medusa, Steel Confessors). I just find it odd that your chapter has it out for chaos AdMech rather than just lumping it together with the rest of chaos like every other marines do. This part could stay but needs some serious backing for it to be believable and make sense. I wouldn't worry about the antlers, its not a big selling point of nurgle. Just portray them in normal, regal fashions like all 'good' icons are shown in 40k. It might give you a good inspiration to do a chaos warband for your chapter and add a few nurgle guys in there if you so choose. If you are still on the ropes, just look at other famous chapters. Khorne is all about blood but no one suspects the Blood Angels of being khornate worshippers, the reason they are associated with blood is a totally different manner. Same goes with the Blood Ravens; they have a higher proportion of psykers but they aren't fans of Tzeentch. Their Chapter Master fell to Khorne of all gods, and he was a librarian too! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242979-questions-before-i-post-a-full-ia/#findComment-2937343 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightrawenII Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Secondly. Is there any basis for weapons and armor used by traitor marines being captured and "purified" to be used by loyalists. For instance champion kills chaos champion takes his weapon as a trophy and starts using it. Logan's Grimmnar Axe of Morkai is purified and reforged power weapon taken from Champion of Khorne. The Fists of Marneus Calgar were taken from Chaos Champion too. By the Guilliman no less. But in general, the artifacts of Chaos are destroyed. Third. Thoughts on a chapter having a special grudge against the Dark AdMech. Maybe even having units with a talent for hunting chaos titans. Nothing against the idea just.... Titans are quite rare sight on the battlefield, so your Chapter running into Chaos Titans on regular basis is a little odd. Cheers, NightrawenII. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242979-questions-before-i-post-a-full-ia/#findComment-2937359 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reyner Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 I can't see anything wrong with antlers, purifying weapons is fine (providing you don't tell a zealous person where the weapon really came from!) but the last point seems a bit forced. Hating the DarkMech I wouldn't go as far as to have units who are titan hunter-killers, they're rare and if the enemy has Titans then the Imperium would respond in kind. Your Chapter could hate the DarkMech for their desecration of a nearby Forgeworld or some of their brethren were captured and horrendously mutilated and experimented upon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242979-questions-before-i-post-a-full-ia/#findComment-2937433 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqui Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 It's rare for Chaos weapons being purified and turned against Chaos, but not unknown. The Axe of Morkai, used by Logan Grimnir of the Space Wolves for example is an axe taken from a Khornate Champion, and was reforged. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242979-questions-before-i-post-a-full-ia/#findComment-2937472 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nihm Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Secondly. Is there any basis for weapons and armor used by traitor marines being captured and "purified" to be used by loyalists. For instance champion kills chaos champion takes his weapon as a trophy and starts using it. Logan's Grimmnar Axe of Morkai is purified and reforged power weapon taken from Champion of Khorne. The Fists of Marneus Calgar were taken from Chaos Champion too. By the Guilliman no less. But in general, the artifacts of Chaos are destroyed. Third. Thoughts on a chapter having a special grudge against the Dark AdMech. Maybe even having units with a talent for hunting chaos titans. Nothing against the idea just.... Titans are quite rare sight on the battlefield, so your Chapter running into Chaos Titans on regular basis is a little odd. Cheers, NightrawenII. I agree, what about changing it to a talent for hunting Daemon Engines instead? (Defilers, Possessed Dreads, Blight Drones, Bloodslaughterers etc) ?They are a lot more common after all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242979-questions-before-i-post-a-full-ia/#findComment-2937481 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysimachus Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Good suggestion by Bro Nihm there, perhaps you could include a sidebar or something about a famous character/squad who took the Chapter 'skill' to the extreme and did manage to kill a Titan? As to the antlers, will they be separate or actually on something i.e. a stag? I could definately see a Chapter using a stag as its symbol; they're an animal that gives off an impression of strength, pride and royalty*, and it's not often used which is a big bonus for originality! *I'm pretty sure there are several countries that have the stag as part of their royal families coat of arms? (it could just be that I'm thinking of the Baratheons in Game of Thrones though! :D ) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242979-questions-before-i-post-a-full-ia/#findComment-2937512 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqui Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Good suggestion by Bro Nihm there, perhaps you could include a sidebar or something about a famous character/squad who took the Chapter 'skill' to the extreme and did manage to kill a Titan? As to the antlers, will they be separate or actually on something i.e. a stag? I could definately see a Chapter using a stag as its symbol; they're an animal that gives off an impression of strength, pride and royalty*, and it's not often used which is a big bonus for originality! *I'm pretty sure there are several countries that have the stag as part of their royal families coat of arms? (it could just be that I'm thinking of the Baratheons in Game of Thrones though! :yuck: ) Here are a few Examples I found on Wiki. Hope that helps :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242979-questions-before-i-post-a-full-ia/#findComment-2937514 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reyner Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Demus, I think your questions have been answered get started on that IA! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242979-questions-before-i-post-a-full-ia/#findComment-2937517 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted December 6, 2011 Author Share Posted December 6, 2011 Brothers many thanks. Look for an IA in days to come. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242979-questions-before-i-post-a-full-ia/#findComment-2937990 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekim_Trub Posted December 7, 2011 Share Posted December 7, 2011 I personally like the antler emblem, its majestic and proud, as you expect of the Adeptus Astartes. I second the idea of them specialising in hunting daemon engines, as Titans are a pretty rare (and powerful) prey to hunt. Another thing to possibly consider is the use of Brettonian parts to add an extra knightly/hunter theme to the force. When I 1st got into 40K, I actually converted a Marine to have the Brettonian Grail Knight deer helmet, you could do this for Champions? (I'll see if I can find a pic for you.) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/242979-questions-before-i-post-a-full-ia/#findComment-2939333 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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