Karack Blackstone Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Running into an issue with my Logan List. I have currently three Venerable Dreads in my list, along with Bjorn and a single Vindi. My question is should I drop the Ven off all three of those Dreads and pick up another Vindicator? I've been thinking about it, and here's some helpful info: - Ven Dread - PC, DCCW, SB, EA, WTN - Ven Dread - TLLC, ML - Ven Dread - TLLC, ML - Vindi - Siege Shield, EA I will free up a great deal of points, enough for another Vindicator as kitted out here. The problem I foresee is that one of my Dreads is able to greatly benefit from the Ven status, the one with the PC. I can points pinch, if need be. I'm personally thinking more about this, and Venerable is starting to seem like points I can save on the two TLLC, ML Ven Dreads as their massive rerolls with their main weapon arm is pretty much all they need; Ven is wasted it seems on those two. Thoughts? I can post the list in the Army List section if it shall help. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/243027-3-ven-dreads-or-3-dreads-and-a-2nd-vindi/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaarl Stormfang Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 IMO Ven is all about the reroll. The bonus to BS and WS is pretty much irrelevant. No consideration should be made for the difference between 4 and 5, unless perhaps if you're podding in a MM dread. So, think about the rest of the force. If your dreads were being podded into your enemies face, or advancing on them with AC/PC and DCCW, then they'll be attracting fire and Ven will be a big help. If the dreads aren't a very main threat, and they just sit in the backfield while your termies take all the fire.. then no I don't think you need the Ven, and the points will be better spent on more fire support. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/243027-3-ven-dreads-or-3-dreads-and-a-2nd-vindi/#findComment-2937848 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karack Blackstone Posted December 5, 2011 Author Share Posted December 5, 2011 The two TLLC, ML are both meant to be backfield, the other is meant to close. Bjorn is more midfield, and can't be modified at all. Thus far, sounds like I have some points to save and spend elsewhere. No dreads have pods; I plan to one day model all my vehicles that can have fuel tanks on them (Rhino hulls, Land Raiders) in the overall force be a wide-ranging field force. The entire force is a surface roll-out mindset. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/243027-3-ven-dreads-or-3-dreads-and-a-2nd-vindi/#findComment-2937856 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjfelber Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 I dislike Ven Dreads. I would go with 2 Vindicators over the Ven Upgrade. Then again, I feel Bjorn is a fluff model, not so much tourney quality (personal choice - Dont beat me up), so you should make your choice based on fun. Also, take more GHs. Not a choice you showed, but its kinda like duct tape, Just use more. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/243027-3-ven-dreads-or-3-dreads-and-a-2nd-vindi/#findComment-2937878 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torin Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 Go with Bjorn & 3 Vend with 1 plasma & 2 AC. So you have 2PC/2 AC.. make sure you upgrade the storm bolter with HF. The trick is easy. Drop Pod all of them and shoot. This kinda list will work well when you play a full droppod list with at least 3 x10 GH with 2 MG basic no other wargear. So you going to need 7 DP in total. That would total up to about 1500. Its a scary list that for sure, even better drop in a rune priest with stormcaller.. all your dread get 5+ cover the turn they come in. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/243027-3-ven-dreads-or-3-dreads-and-a-2nd-vindi/#findComment-2938029 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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