Three new ideas - which should I go for?

[KnightsOfMars]

Option one: WIP title the Hell Guards

 

Keep thinking about a loyalist chapter with completely red armour and horns - maybe in the fluff they could be based close to the Eye of terror and have developed a sadistic and bloodthirsty streak but still consider themselves loyal to the Emperor. They would probably be excommunicated and banned if any Inquisition types investigated them too closely.

 

 

 

 

Option two: green brethren/Da Ork Killaz

 

Chapter who fight Orks almost exclusively and have started dressing and speaking a little like them after consuming too much roasted Ork flesh.

 

Option three - a death based chapter (will have to work hard to avoid them looking like LoTD)

 

They believe that death is holy as it sends you straight to the Emperor to be judged - if you are a loyal Imperial cititzen you will go to Imperial Heaven and if you were evil or disloyal in life you get sent to the Warp.

[Olis]

Number three. Definately number three. Option one sounds a bit off for some reason and number two is just silly. :)

[Rafen_2]

Not two please! That as Olisredan says is rather silly.

 

1 could be interesting but would require a big deal of explanation to why they haven't turned without it sounding like your marines are better then everyone else's.

 

3 would be the easier one to do but death is a very common theme (it is in their job description) so it would depend on what you could do with it.

[KnightsOfMars]

OPTION 3:

 

Well I have bought a few hooded helmets for this purpose, also I have a blood angel squad with wings - could use wings and hood helmets and have them as winged, hooded grim reaper types?

 

Any ideas for scythes?

[Rafen_2]

OPTION 3:

 

Well I have bought a few hooded helmets for this purpose, also I have a blood angel squad with wings - could use wings and hood helmets and have them as winged, hooded grim reaper types?

 

Any ideas for scythes?

 

I didn't really mean how they look per say. I meant their background. This area is where foolhardy travelers come to share their stories about their chapter's background and get bowling balls thrown at them. :rolleyes:

 

Anway, scythes I've seen done several different ways:

-staff + plasticard blade

-scythe from some other kits

-staff + greenstuff blade

[KnightsOfMars]

Okay Option three - WIP title Angels of Death unoriginal but it works I think...

 

Fluff idea - fifty years ago, the Agri-world of Vitalis III was attacked by chaos forces - Traitor Marines and traitor Imperial Guard, backed by a small number of corrupted Titans.

 

Although they tried to resist, the entire Adult male population of Vitalis III was wiped out in a few weeks. Many of the children on the planet were left as orphans - all without fathers.

 

The sons of Vitalis III swore oaths of vengeance on the traitor legions and their allies and became good recruits for the Space Marines.

 

Years of brooding over their collective loss ahs turned them into serious-minded, grim individuals who only show emotion when gleefully administering the Emperor's vengeance.

[Rafen_2]

Okay Option three - WIP title Angels of Death unoriginal but it works I think...

I think that is probably done already but seeing your fluff maybe Death's Vengeance or something of that nature?

 

Fluff idea - fifty years ago, the Agri-world of Vitalis III was attacked by chaos forces - Traitor Marines and traitor Imperial Guard, backed by a small number of corrupted Titans.

a small number sounds a bit silly and you don't need to overdue how many people came.

 

Although they tried to resist, the entire Adult male population of Vitalis III was wiped out in a few weeks. Many of the children on the planet were left as orphans - all without fathers.

How did the children survive? What about the women? Old people?

 

The sons of Vitalis III swore oaths of vengeance on the traitor legions and their allies and became good recruits for the Space Marines.

I like this bit actually but two things: Why did the traitors just leave? Also Space Marine chapter has to be created for a purpose proposed by a higher power but you could do it where the homeworld is Vitalis.

 

Years of brooding over their collective loss ahs turned them into serious-minded, grim individuals who only show emotion when gleefully administering the Emperor's vengeance.

This is cool and is a great start to their behavior. You could also add how this affects their relationship with other Imperial Organizations. Maybe a feeling of betrayal by not being rescued by them?

 

Responses in green. Good stuff so far, to make it easier why don't you change your first post and the title to reflect your changed decision so that people don't have to scroll down.

 

Can't wait to see how this goes! :rolleyes:

[The Normish]

No, do number two, I read too many Chapters that are death-centric or near heretical.

[Hrvat]

I also support number two. After all Marines can learn by eating, getting a bit "dumbed down", so to speak, as they age as a result of eating to many Orks could be intriguing.

[Olis]

You two are having a bubble, right? :wallbash:

 

 

 

 

 

 

(Bubble = Bubble Bath = Laugh)

[Lodovico]

I like option three as well but what about the possibility of them using a Dead World as their home planet?

 

But also number two is an interesting concept as well. (Could be a good comedic chapter of sorts :lol:)

[Lysimachus]

While I like the idea of 2, it seems a bit too similar to the Ork Hunters (Catachan?) Guard unit fighting on Armageddon. Now that I think about it, wasn't there a Titan Legion described somewhere as fighting Orks and adopting their 'aggressive' tactics too?

[strongbow]

Number 2

 

As long as you know it's a joke! Nothing wrong with injecting some humour. With some great conversions and funny fluff you could make a really unique chapter. To reiterate though, you need to write it in a non-serious way. :lol:

 

Could be hilarious!

[KnightsOfMars]

The now-dead Agri-world of Vitalis 3 becomes the tombworld Mortalis home of the Angels Mortis...

[Captain Juan Juarez]

#2 isn't a bad idea as long as you DON'T make it silly - don't make the Orks in green Power Armour.

 

For death-focused, take a look at the Mortifactors.

[fivepointedstar]

I also say number 2. Because there are so many "death" themed army around. You'd get better responses from a "Ork-like" chapter due to the amount of ork meat there consumming after battle. How about something simular to the Flesh Eaters of BA.

 

Name examples

Grim Eaters

[Dosjetka]

To express my opinion:

 

Option 1) A lot of work to explain why they are so and why they haven't been discovered. Not really do-able to me.

 

Option 2) Erm... I'll just say that I don't like the idea and leave it there :)

 

Option 3) If you can find a cool unique twist on how to make them difficult from other death-worshiping Chapters, then go ahead :)

 

Ludovic

[Rafen_2]

For those of you who for some reason like idea number 2 all I got to say is what?!

 

A couple things wrong here (no offense to KnightsofMars of course you should read my first attempt at a DIY it was worse):

• While they do learn from eating it wouldn't retard them!
  
• Talking like orcs is okay I guess but wouldn't that be frowned upon by the inquisition?
  
• On that note wouldn't the whole chapter be questioned by the Imperium in general?
  
• Chapters aren't created to only fight one enemy!
  
• Plus other stuff I can't think of.... :)
  

 

Maybe someone like Ace, NightRawenII, or anyone from the liber can get the point across.

 

So yes the death is overdone but he can take it in a new direction. So far he has that his planet was wrecked and the youth want revenge upon these chaos dudes. Needs a lot more fluff from there but it is still better then orky marines.

[DarkLiege]

If i must pick one, i would go with option three. Sure, there's already a lot of chapters centered around the idea of death but if you can make it original then go for it.

 

Here's some ideas that could help. Heed them or not, your choice.

 

Based the chapter around some culture from real life like the Mayans or based them on different aspects of different cultures.

 

Have the each company view death in a certain way like one could view it as honourable to die while another view it as a curse(?).

This could give the each companies unique personalities amongst each other. they could also have their own belief on the matters.

 

The second option could work but like many said can't be funny as the 40k universe does not have a place for fun and games.

 

Option one is sounds similar to the world eaters legion and to chaos-y as well.

[Rylanor]

If i must pick one, i would go with option three. Sure, there's already a lot of chapters centered around the idea of death but if you can make it original then go for it.

 

Here's some ideas that could help. Heed them or not, your choice.

 

Based the chapter around some culture from real life like the Mayans or based them on different aspects of different cultures.

 

Have the each company view death in a certain way like one could view it as honourable to die while another view it as a curse(?).

This could give the each companies unique personalities amongst each other. they could also have their own belief on the matters.

 

The second option could work but like many said can't be funny as the 40k universe does not have a place for fun and games.

 

Option one is sounds similar to the world eaters legion and to chaos-y as well.

 

I would say that the whole chapter would have the same views.....

 

As to the OP three is probably the best, though coming up with original fluff might be hard. I cant think up anything right now that might work but if I do I'll post it.

 

 

Rylanor

[strongbow]

For those of you who for some reason like idea number 2 all I got to say is what?!

 

A couple things wrong here (no offense to KnightsofMars of course you should read my first attempt at a DIY it was worse):

• While they do learn from eating it wouldn't retard them!
  
• Talking like orcs is okay I guess but wouldn't that be frowned upon by the inquisition?
  
• On that note wouldn't the whole chapter be questioned by the Imperium in general?
  
• Chapters aren't created to only fight one enemy!
  
• Plus other stuff I can't think of.... ;)
  

 

Maybe someone like Ace, NightRawenII, or anyone from the liber can get the point across.

 

So yes the death is overdone but he can take it in a new direction. So far he has that his planet was wrecked and the youth want revenge upon these chaos dudes. Needs a lot more fluff from there but it is still better then orky marines.

 

The way I saw the second option is that it is a great idea for a less serious chapter, like the Angry Marines.

 

Yes it may not fit with the fluff, however it has great potential to be characterful and humorous.

 

In fairness that may not have been the OP's idea at all. However it is still perfectly doable.

 

Again - as long as it is written in a light-hearted self-aware way it's all good.

[Destecado]

Hell Guard

 

The look you’ve described is somewhat reminiscent of the Word Bearers, but the horns could be caused by a mutation similar to that found in the Ossmodula of the Black Dragons. This space marine organ affects the epiphiseal fusion and ossification of the skeleton. The abnormal function of the Black Dragons Ossmodula causes the growth of bony crests on the head and blade-like protuberances from the forearms and elbows. Though the chapter is still loyal, they have been censured by the inquisition and other loyalist chapters have refused to fight beside them.

 

I guess you could go with a similar concept, for demonic horns. I’m not sure, but for some reason all I can picture when I think of this concept is Hell Boy. Maybe you could have them file down their horns, so that they can wear their helmets. :P

 

BTW, those that are afflicted by the bony growths are formed into separate fighting units, like the BA’s Death Company. It could be that the chapter guards the knowledge of the mutation of their geneseed closely. You have to decide what the full range of the mutations would be. Is it just horns or are there other “demonic” aspects that are visually apparent? Filing down horns and always appearing in full armor could help to hide the cosmetic flaws caused by the mutated geneseed, but genetic tests would betray them.

 

Perhaps the chapter uses their mutated brethren as the vanguard of their assaults or sends them on suicide missions. Those afflicted by these mutations would undertake these missions in the hopes of proving their honor and loyalty…although their bodies betrayed them they are given the opportunity for an honorable death.

 

As for the name Hell Guard, I’m not sure if it would for the whole chapter, but it could possibly be used as the designation of these special units of mutated battle brothers. As a suggestion, you may also want to consider calling them something like the Hellekine…an alternative spelling of Hellequin. The Hellequin is a black-faced emissary of the devil, said to have roamed the countryside with a host of demons chasing the damned souls of evil people to Hell. It is one of the alternative depictions of the Wild Hunt.

 

 

Green Brethren

 

If meant as a joke, then take a look at the Gorkamorka supplement Digganob. It is the most comprehensive information source for humans acting like Orks, that you will probably find.

 

If not meant as a joke, but a serious Chapter concept, then there are a couple of things that you may want to consider.

 

1. Is it the Ork flesh that is causing them to change or is it something else?

2. Is it Chapter wide or just a select group (1-2 companies)?

 

I have postulated in other projects the actual nature of the Orks and their invasion of the galaxy. Given their method of reproduction and the descriptions of their normal ecosystem (Squigs, Snottlings, et all) I have come to consider the Orks as being the apex predators of a much larger invasion; an alien ecosystem invading and overtaking another.

 

Having previously lived in the south of the United States I can attest first hand to the damaging effects of an invasive species of terrestrial flora, namely Kudzu. They don’t call it “the vine that ate the south” for nothing. The War Against the Chtorr, series of novels written by david Gerold documents the “terraforming” of Earth by an invasive alien ecosystem. Both to my mind provide a nice framework for the rampaging Orks of the 40k Universe.

 

In the novels, a couple of the main characters become infected…more like infested…by spores from the alien ecosystem. The spores bring on psychological and physiological changes in the characters. It could be that spores from Ork ecosystem bring about a similar change in some of the space marines from the chapter. These changes could be from eating Ork meat, or possibly by being stranded on an Ork held world with a fully developed Orkoid ecosystem.

 

Instead of taking on Ork characteristics, maybe the metamorphosis of the marines would be closer to turning into the Incredible Hulk. The spores of the orkoid ecosystem are trying to change the marines, but their hyper metabolism and immune system are fighting against the “infection”. The diminished capacity could be caused by the afflicted marines continually having to fight against the psychological affects of the invader, which might include vastly increasing their aggressor response and territoriality.

 

The “infection” gives their skin a greenish cast, but also provides added toughness and resilience. You could portray these changes in their stat line by lowering their initiative by one and either increasing their toughness or possibly giving them “feel no pain”. In friendly games, you might even be able to use the stat line for plague marines.

 

 

Death Based Chapter

 

What can I say, It’s been done to death.

[KnightsOfMars]

Many thanks for all your replies - I am tempted to do a few models from each to see what they would look like.

 

As for the Devil idea - I am thinking they could be called the WARP DEVILS chapter.

 

 

Name: Warp Devils

Founding chapter: Exorcists

Founding: 24th Founding

Chapter Master: Amnon Thorne.

Homeworld: Fleet-based.

Fortress-Monastery: As above.

Main colours: Bright Red armour with Horns on helmets, no aquilas or Imperial markings, skulls on armour, with black backpacks.

Specialty: Fighting Chaos Space Marines.

Battle Cry: As they work behind enemy lines, the Warp Devils work in silence. On the rare occasions when subterfuge and stealth serves no purpose, they roar warnings over vox channels, issuing threats of the Emperor's vengeance.

 

Background

 

After a few decades of intensifying enemy activity from the Ocularis Terribus, Imperial commanders sent dozens of reports on traitor activity to the Administratum. A committee was formed, reports were collated, facts were checked and eventually an approved reccomendation document was created and passed to the High Lords of Terror.

 

The report contained data about the numbers of Traitor Marines and Imperial Guard, and concluded that the Imperium needed a small but powerful force that could operate behind enemy lines, sabotaging equipment and vehicles and assasinating enemy commanders.

 

This force would have to be attired so that they could be mistaken for traitor forces in systems close to the Eye of Terror.

 

However none of the space marine chapters were willing to alter their heraldry for the purpose - seeing it as a insult to the honour of their respective chapters. For this purpose a new founding was approved.

 

 

They are little known to other Imperial forces and they have no official chapter name - but they are informally known as the Warp Devils by Imperial commanders.

 

The Horns and colouration are to help them blend in better behind enemy lines in Chaos Space Marine Controlled solar systems. They wear no Imperial Eagles on their amour.

 

 

Estimated strength: Unknown, although it is believed they have little in the way of vehicles and heavy equipment.