Talthus Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Recently I read Rules of Engagement by Graham Mcneill in Age of Darkness, and decided I wanted to start writing up a chapter in the Liber in order to flesh out my burgeoning army. I read Octavulg's guide and the Guide to DIY stickied at the top of this very forum, so without further ado, here are my notes to be expanded on with some hopeful comments and criticisms from my fellow Liber-ites: Marines Inviolate: Chapter Symbol: http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a333/Toyship/ravenwing_small_symbol_4_large.jpg in·vi·o·late adjective 1. free from violation, injury, desecration, or outrage. 2. undisturbed; untouched. 3. unbroken. 4. not infringed. -Standing Force founded to preside over a large cluster of stars. -36th millenium founding date -Ultramarines Gene Stock with founding Cadre coming from the Novamarines, a famously hard-line chapter with regards to the Codex Astartes. -Uphold the Honor of the Emperor and the Codex -Staunch traditionalists in their view of their role as Astartes along with the Imperium at large. Believe strongly in their independence as a Chapter, and view the Emperor as not a god but their genetic grandfather, as the Legions at the time of the Great Crusade believed. -The Marines Inviolate follow the traditions of their founding Cadre in that chapter veterans who have made the pilgramage to the Shrine of the Primarch adorn their helmets and/or armor with laurels. In order to be given Veteran status, a brother must make this pilgrimage, and possibly even once again when they are given the honor to wear one of the Chapter's few Terminator suits. -Brethren who contravene the Codex in even the slightest way, are dealt with harshly, enduring fasts and penitence for their transgressions. Neophytes are dealt with especially harshly, as they have no previous knowledge of Codex teachings, enduring punishment at the hands of their Sergeant and the scorn of their fully fledged Brother Astartes. It is not until the neophyte is able to interface with their armor and take a position within the companies of the Marines Inviolate that they are afford any kind of acceptance."Ignorance is no excuse" -As with their forbears, the Marines Inviolate are spread across the Imperium, rarely coming together as a full Chapter, usually only for important dates from their Chapter history or battles of great import. One of these times the Marines Inviolate gathered as a full chapter to fight the Orks of the XX system in order to push them out of their area of operations. Due to their absence a number of systems fell to Chaos and the predations of the Alien. The Marines Inviolate believe they failed in their given task and chose to embark on a self imposed Penitence crusade of undefined length. -Currently Under-strength due to their self imposed penitence crusade. -Chapter Master Herod Othrys -Captain Uriah Pasgarde -Most revered relic is an early copy of the Codex Astartes ostensibly carried into battle by an Ultramarine Sergeant during the Scouring after the Horus Heresy. It was gifted to the nascent Chapter through it's founding cadre of Marines, and the writings are held in reverential awe by all who behold it. The chapter takes it's battle tactics and organisational doctrines from this text and as such, a number of minor differences have been noted in reference to their forefathers, the Ultramarines. Tanks that were in use during the Heresy or developed immediately thereafter are the only forms of armored support the Marines Inviolate have been noted to make extensive use of, with their Armories being notably devoid of examples of the Land Raider Crusader, the Land Raider Redeemer, and later versions of Razorbacks and Whirlwinds. *Edited* - Anything not detailed in their version of the Codex is seen as not adherent with the writings of the Primarch, and other chapters who make use of such weapons and tactics are looked down upon by the Marines Inviolate. There is even several notable instances when the Marines Inviolate came to blows of a percieved slight against the Codex and Guilliman's honor. (Expand: Perhaps a minor skirmish with the Templars?) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/243590-infallible-sons-the-marines-inviolate/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rylanor Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Welcome to the liber! Looks nice. Just one comment the codex was not written until after the heresy, so said sargent couldn't have carried it during the heresy. Rylanor Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/243590-infallible-sons-the-marines-inviolate/#findComment-2945353 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talthus Posted December 16, 2011 Author Share Posted December 16, 2011 I was under the impression from my reading of Rules of Engagement that Guilliman was working on it right as the Heresy broke out and that it wasn't really even finished upon his "death" at the hands of Fulgrim. I figured it'd be more like an eternal work in progress. I could be wrong... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/243590-infallible-sons-the-marines-inviolate/#findComment-2945356 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rylanor Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 I am not familiar with said story but as far as I know the codex was written in response to the heresy. But feel fee to correct me if I'm wrong :tu: Also your chapter symbol I believe is the same as the raven wing of the dark angels, or some piece of heraldry from them. Was this intentional? Rylanor Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/243590-infallible-sons-the-marines-inviolate/#findComment-2945360 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talthus Posted December 16, 2011 Author Share Posted December 16, 2011 I'll have to do some more research on the subject and get back on that. And yeah, it was definitely intended, as I have a metric butt-ton of Ravenwing pads lying around and they are being modeled onto my army. This is going to be the fluff for my gaming army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/243590-infallible-sons-the-marines-inviolate/#findComment-2945380 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rylanor Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Okay I was just making sure you knew that that symbol was in use just in case you didn't know. Keep up the good work! Rylanor Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/243590-infallible-sons-the-marines-inviolate/#findComment-2945511 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightrawenII Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 -Most revered relic is an early copy of the Codex Astartes ostensibly carried into battle by an Ultramarine Sergeant during the Horus Heresy and the Scouring afterwards. It was gifted to the nascent Chapter through it's founding cadre of Marines, and the writings are held in reverential awe by all who behold it. The chapter takes it's battle tactics and organisational doctrines from this text and as such, a number of minor differences have been noted in reference to their forefathers, the Ultramarines. Tanks that were in use during the Heresy are the only forms of armored support the Marines Inviolate have been noted to make extensive use of, with their Armories being notably devoid of examples of the Land Raider Crusader, the Land Raider Redeemer, and later versions of Vindicators, Razorbacks, and Whirlwinds. Well... *The original Codex was compiled approximately ten thousand years ago in the aftermath of the Horus Heresy. It is not known what form the original took: it may have been a manuscript or it may have been a compilation of holo-files or even some combination. Of course manuscript copies were made and distributed. The oldest surviving copy of the Codex is reputed to be the Apocrypha of Skaros. The Liber Arcanum of Grand Marshall Tolof and the Holo-Record 442/33508; Gant Manuscript v2 of the Ceris Archive have some claim to this honour as well. Over the millennia the copies have been copied and recopied many times in order to preserve them. Inevitably, mistakes occur and so it is unlikely that any two copies of the Codex will be identical. Furthermore, the work is constantly being reanalysed and reinterpreted. The original prose style of Roboute is at best archaic and in some cases almost unintelligible. This has led to many varied interpretations over the centuries and to many situations where two entirely different doctrines have been legitimately claimed as 'official Codex' at the same time.* ~ Insignium Astartes So, there you go. <_< Vindicator is either pre-Imperium or Horus Heresy invention [depends on source]. Anyway: *It was not until Roboute Guilliman laid down the 'Codex Astartes' that the Vindicator is mentioned again, when it was specifically designated as a Space Marine vehicle and included in a Chapter's 'codex' order of battle, where it has remained ever since.* ~ Imperial Armour II Cheers, NightrawenII Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/243590-infallible-sons-the-marines-inviolate/#findComment-2945526 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talthus Posted December 16, 2011 Author Share Posted December 16, 2011 Thanks guys! NightrawenII that is great information, greatly appreciated. I'll have to incorporate that stuff into my notes. Consider the above argument laid to rest! Expect a larger update with some more fleshing out tomorrow evening, I'll have some time after work. Thanks again! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/243590-infallible-sons-the-marines-inviolate/#findComment-2945771 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gree Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 -Most revered relic is an early copy of the Codex Astartes ostensibly carried into battle by an Ultramarine Sergeant during the Horus Heresy and the Scouring afterwards. It was gifted to the nascent Chapter through it's founding cadre of Marines, and the writings are held in reverential awe by all who behold it. The chapter takes it's battle tactics and organisational doctrines from this text and as such, a number of minor differences have been noted in reference to their forefathers, the Ultramarines. Tanks that were in use during the Heresy are the only forms of armored support the Marines Inviolate have been noted to make extensive use of, with their Armories being notably devoid of examples of the Land Raider Crusader, the Land Raider Redeemer, and later versions of Vindicators, Razorbacks, and Whirlwinds. Well... *The original Codex was compiled approximately ten thousand years ago in the aftermath of the Horus Heresy. It is not known what form the original took: it may have been a manuscript or it may have been a compilation of holo-files or even some combination. Of course manuscript copies were made and distributed. The oldest surviving copy of the Codex is reputed to be the Apocrypha of Skaros. The Liber Arcanum of Grand Marshall Tolof and the Holo-Record 442/33508; Gant Manuscript v2 of the Ceris Archive have some claim to this honour as well. Over the millennia the copies have been copied and recopied many times in order to preserve them. Inevitably, mistakes occur and so it is unlikely that any two copies of the Codex will be identical. Furthermore, the work is constantly being reanalysed and reinterpreted. The original prose style of Roboute is at best archaic and in some cases almost unintelligible. This has led to many varied interpretations over the centuries and to many situations where two entirely different doctrines have been legitimately claimed as 'official Codex' at the same time.* ~ Insignium Astartes So, there you go. :lol: Unfortunately Courage and Honor explicitly states that the Ultramarines have the original copy of the Codex written by Guilliman in their fortress monastery, which contradicts the quote. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/243590-infallible-sons-the-marines-inviolate/#findComment-2945781 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talthus Posted December 16, 2011 Author Share Posted December 16, 2011 Man. Who would have known GW would have so much contradicting fluff? :lol: I guess I will have to either blur the line between GW canon and BL canon, or decide on which version I like best and just go with it. It certainly warrants some thought. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/243590-infallible-sons-the-marines-inviolate/#findComment-2945801 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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