Eetion Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Hello all. I am building a Chaos gothic fleet and am wanting to have the flag ship as a pre heresy vessel of the Thousand Sons. But how would this be reflected in game. What sort of cruisers of grand cruisers are best representative of HH era? Or are the astartes vessels of that era drasticly different from the Bfg game vessels? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/243622-horus-heresy-bfg-cross-over-question/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Týr Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 During the HH the vessels used på the navy and Legions different from the ones during 40k. That's due to the discovery og STC aking the Imperium completely uniform. I belive that the battle barges during the Heresy and Great Crusade were bigger, better and much more diverse. I think you could take a Battle Barage to represent the flag ship of a fleet. These great ships were a lot more common in that time, and unless it was a "small" force deployed by the Legion to assist Expeditionary Fleet X, they would most likely send a Battle Barage. In the First Heretic the Serrated Sun chapter of the Word Bearers "only" numbers 300 Astartes but still they have a full Battle Barrage at their disposal + some other pretty big vessels...I think. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/243622-horus-heresy-bfg-cross-over-question/#findComment-2946076 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Lord Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Since a Strike Cruiser can't hold and deploy 300 Marines at a time- only a Battle Barge can- it would make sense for them to have one. That said, some battle barges are certainly bigger- the Vengeful Spirit, with gun barrels longer than the 2km frigate Eisenstein, for example. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/243622-horus-heresy-bfg-cross-over-question/#findComment-2946080 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Týr Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Since a Strike Cruiser can't hold and deploy 300 Marines at a time- only a Battle Barge can- it would make sense for them to have one. That said, some battle barges are certainly bigger- the Vengeful Spirit, with gun barrels longer than the 2km frigate Eisenstein, for example. Yeah but that only applies as far as I know, to the vessels of 40k. I can immagine that during the Heresy a Battle Barge could easily deploy more than 300 marines at once. But where does it say that the Vengeful Spirit has gun barrels longer than 2km? I knew the ship was very large... but damn! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/243622-horus-heresy-bfg-cross-over-question/#findComment-2946092 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Lord Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Flight of the Eisenstein novel. "gun barrels longer than the Eisenstein" is the phrase used, and at another point, the Eisenstein is described as 2 km long. While I could certainly see Heresy era BB's being able to deploy more than 3 companies, Strike cruisers can't, thus, it seems like they'd be reserved for deploying small forces. At a guess, I'd say Heresy era BBs range from the standard type, still seen in the 40k era, to larger, more impressive ones capable of fielding thousands of Marines (the Vengeful Spirit would be of this type. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/243622-horus-heresy-bfg-cross-over-question/#findComment-2946097 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eetion Posted December 17, 2011 Author Share Posted December 17, 2011 So how would they be best reflected in a BFG list? Or more specificly the chaos list? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/243622-horus-heresy-bfg-cross-over-question/#findComment-2946142 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 The BFG Dominion list would be a good place to start, or even the Chaos Space Marine List or Armageddon list. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/243622-horus-heresy-bfg-cross-over-question/#findComment-2946147 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Lord Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 It turns out I was wrong- in this case, understating the size of the Vengeful Spirit. It wasn't the 2 km frigate Eisenstein the guns were being compared to, but the Death Guard flagship Endurance! p 91 Flight of the Eisenstein: "Even from this distance, Garro could see hundreds of gun turrets and the slender rods of massive accelerator cannons that were twice the length of the Endurance. Where the Death Guard ship displayed a skull and star sigil, Horus's flagship had a massive golden ring bisected by a slim ellipse" That said, the Endurance wasn't the biggest ship in the Death Guard fleet- it's described as including ships larger and smaller even before the other Legions join them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/243622-horus-heresy-bfg-cross-over-question/#findComment-2951628 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulf Vengis Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 Well correct me if Im wrong, but the chaos fleet hasnt really changed much in 10k years. Sure theyve aquired new ships yes but the ones they took with into the Eye are the ones most likely listed in the BFG rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/243622-horus-heresy-bfg-cross-over-question/#findComment-2951926 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Lord Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 Mostly. Though there's no "Chaos Battle Barge" - or stats for anything like the Vengeful Spirit- only renegade Imperial Navy vessels. The "Chaos Marine Fleet" rules allow you to improve your boarding actions (thanks to CSMs and CSM Terminators) as well as allowing you to trade your normal attack craft for Thunderhawks- but they don't grant any new ships. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/243622-horus-heresy-bfg-cross-over-question/#findComment-2952135 Share on other sites More sharing options...
malika666 Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 Been working on a list of ships available during the Great Crusade/Heresy era, check it here Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/243622-horus-heresy-bfg-cross-over-question/#findComment-2953090 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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