Inferno Drakes

[Thargrim_Bloodwolf]

Name: Inferno Drakes

Primogenitors: Salamanders

Founding: 19th

Speciality: Flamer weapons and general pyrotechnics

Colours: Dark orange with black aquila and varying shoulder pad trim according to position:

Tactical squads- Black trim

Assault Squads- Red trim

Devastator Squads- Blue trim

Veterans- Silver trim

Captains- Gold trim

 

Origins:

Created to deal with xenos threats in the east of the galaxy leading to them having so many anti-infantry weapons.

 

Recent History:

Heavily involved against the tyranids and ork attacks on the eastern side of the galaxy where their weapons do untold damage in burning through hordes of the xenos agressors. The chapter has claimed many victories against these races and has forged themselves a legend in the east wich includes victories over Waagh! Gorbunk when even the war boss himself was incinerated in an assault by a squad of sternguard veterans armed with combi-flamers and heavy flamers.

 

Combat Doctrine:

Extensive use of flamers and heavy flamers are used by tactical squads as opposed to heavy weapons. Classically each tactical squad will be armed with a melta gun and heavy flamer or a similarly pyrotechnic combination. The bearers of these weapons are known as the bearers of the flame and will paint their gauntlets black to represent the burning weapons they carry. The Inferno Drakes will opt to stay within bolter range at all times but will also be willing to fight at close quarters due to every battle brother carrying a blade of Corealan steel, a material exclusive to their home world of Corealus Secondus.

 

Beliefs:

Unlike their primogenitors, the Inferno Drakes don't believe in the cycle of fire and instead follow the idea that fire purifies all and is the ultimate weapon in the Imperium's arsenal. Even with this pyromania the chapter still follows the imperial creed to the letter resulting iin them being considered zealots. Differing further from the Salamanders the Inferno Drakes also don't value human life as highly as their caring primogenitors. This distrust originated in the early days of the chapter when the third whole chapter was betrayed by their native human allies when trying to reclaim an isolated system for the Imperium. While they were initially welcomed in peace the natives then ambushed them and proceeded to kill many of the marrines with hidden explosives.

 

Physical Appearance:

Due to their salamander heritage, the Inferno Drake's geneseed is suceptible to alterations due to radiation, a fact that caused the Salamanders to look like they do thanks to Nocturne's radiation. However, the radiation from Corealus Secondus is different to that of Nocturne so results in a different look for the marines. Every battle brother has jet black skin like the salamanders but when it comes to eyes the difference shows. While salamander eyes are red and glowing Inferno Drake eyes have orange irises that dominate most of the visible eye ncluding an overly large pupil.

 

Organisation:

The chapter follows codex organisation with the only acception being the allowance of heavy flamers as a tactical squad heavy weapon.

 

Comments and criticisms welcome, an image of the marines will be available eventually. ;)

[legoss]

I'm not sure about some of this, like the being survivors of the heresy stuff, but the rest of it seems like a decent start, I don't want to pass judgement too early. Good luck with your IA though.

[Thargrim_Bloodwolf]

My alternative is to have them at a later founding and saying they were caused by a belief schism in the salamanders which might be a more preferable idea.

[legoss]

I think any of the foundings after the 3rd would be ok as far as that goes, and a new founding and training cadre seems a pretty good way to get rid of marines that just don't fit into a chapter.

[CantonWC]

Hello

 

My alternative is to have them at a later founding and saying they were caused by a belief schism in the salamanders which might be a more preferable idea.

 

I think any of the foundings after the 3rd would be ok as far as that goes, and a new founding and training cadre seems a pretty good way to get rid of marines that just don't fit into a chapter.

 

Agreed.

 

Disgruntled Salamanders flamer division who managed to survive Isstvan V massacre and broke off when enough marines were available during the 3rd founding.

 

But the 3rd Founding happened a thousand years after the Heresy.

 

And every Salamander seems to love his fire, what's the point of a specialized "flamer division"?

 

Unlike their primogenitors, the Inferno Drakes don't believe in the cycle of fire and instead follow the idea that fire purifies all and is the ultimate weapon in the Imperium's arsenal. Even with this pyromania the chapter still follows the imperial creed to the letter meaning that they are accepted by the Ecclesiarchy. Differing further from the Salamanders the Inferno Drakes also don't value human life as highly as their caring primogenitors. This distrust originated in the Great Crusade when the flamer division the Inferno Drakes originated from was betrayed by their native human allies when trying to claim their world. While they were initially welcomed in peace the natives then trapped them and proceeded to kill many of the marines in the ensuing battle.

 

I haven't read the Salamander books, read the first about halfway but I stopped because I didn't like it. So I don't really know what the cycle of fire is.

 

I doubt any Chapter would be accepted by the Ecclesiarchy as their cults tend to be quite varied and often crude and barbaric.

 

This distrust originated in the Great Crusade when the flamer division the Inferno Drakes originated from was betrayed by their native human allies when trying to claim their world. While they were initially welcomed in peace the natives then trapped them and proceeded to kill many of the marines in the ensuing battle.

 

So their view of ordinary people is completely colored by something that happened at least a thousand years before they were founded?

 

 

I dunno. They seem like angry anti hero Salamanders who LOVE FIRE EVEN MORE and have a different coat of paint. So what really makes them different, what do they bring to the table?

 

On a somewhat related note... why does every Salamander Successor have to be obsessed with fire and/or dragons?

 

Bye

 

CWC

[strongbow]

Hello

 

My alternative is to have them at a later founding and saying they were caused by a belief schism in the salamanders which might be a more preferable idea.

 

I think any of the foundings after the 3rd would be ok as far as that goes, and a new founding and training cadre seems a pretty good way to get rid of marines that just don't fit into a chapter.

 

Agreed.

 

As the Salamanders now have a considerable amount of information, it is hard to pull off the idea that they had a schism. If a group of Salamanders broke off from the main chapter there would be serious problems that the inquisition would want to do something about - and that's if the main Salamanders hadn't already declared war. It would require considerable explanation. Even then I'm not sure it would work as you're playing with the background of a very well established first founding legion. If you want a schism have it in a successor chapter of the Salamanders, where one element wants to keep to the teachings of the Salamanders, and another wants to do something different.

 

Disgruntled Salamanders flamer division who managed to survive Isstvan V massacre and broke off when enough marines were available during the 3rd founding.

 

But the 3rd Founding happened a thousand years after the Heresy.

 

And every Salamander seems to love his fire, what's the point of a specialized "flamer division"?

 

Flamer divisions were used by the Salamanders Legion during the Great Crusade and Heresy. Other than that though I agree - I don't think this part of the idea could really work. Personally I think any surviving Salamanders would have wanted to get back to Nocturne ASAP.

 

Unlike their primogenitors, the Inferno Drakes don't believe in the cycle of fire and instead follow the idea that fire purifies all and is the ultimate weapon in the Imperium's arsenal. Even with this pyromania the chapter still follows the imperial creed to the letter meaning that they are accepted by the Ecclesiarchy. Differing further from the Salamanders the Inferno Drakes also don't value human life as highly as their caring primogenitors. This distrust originated in the Great Crusade when the flamer division the Inferno Drakes originated from was betrayed by their native human allies when trying to claim their world. While they were initially welcomed in peace the natives then trapped them and proceeded to kill many of the marines in the ensuing battle.

 

I haven't read the Salamander books, read the first about halfway but I stopped because I didn't like it. So I don't really know what the cycle of fire is.

 

I doubt any Chapter would be accepted by the Ecclesiarchy as their cults tend to be quite varied and often crude and barbaric.

 

I don't really understand what 'accepted by the Ecclesiarchy' means in this context. Do they fight for them or was their existence as a chapter merely acknowledged by them. I also find it hard to believe that a flamer division would be overwhelmed by planetary natives. We need more information about the natives - presumably they were technologically advanced.

 

This distrust originated in the Great Crusade when the flamer division the Inferno Drakes originated from was betrayed by their native human allies when trying to claim their world. While they were initially welcomed in peace the natives then trapped them and proceeded to kill many of the marines in the ensuing battle.

 

So their view of ordinary people is completely colored by something that happened at least a thousand years before they were founded?

 

 

I dunno. They seem like angry anti hero Salamanders who LOVE FIRE EVEN MORE and have a different coat of paint. So what really makes them different, what do they bring to the table?

 

On a somewhat related note... why does every Salamander Successor have to be obsessed with fire and/or dragons?

 

Because - 1: People like the theme but perhaps not the story/colours of the Salamanders. 2: A Salamanders training cadre may well pass on their beliefs to the new chapter. 3: If people want to do it, they are absolutely free too.

 

Bye

 

CWC

 

The thing is with this chapter there is no explanation as to why a surviving flamer division (how many survived?) would not return to their parent legion. Unless this question is answered then the rest of the chapter's history just won't work well.

 

My comments in red.

[Thargrim_Bloodwolf]

Made some changes, is this better?

[CantonWC]

Because - 1: People like the theme but perhaps not the story/colours of the Salamanders. 2: A Salamanders training cadre may well pass on their beliefs to the new chapter. 3: If people want to do it, they are absolutely free too.

 

Just saying.

 

I have seen too many Salamanders Successors that have fire, wyrm, drake or dragon or somesuch in their name.

 

My advice/opinion is just that, and may be taken at the TC's discretion. But is it too much to ask to make the old new, put some flavor or a unique spin on his creation? Do something different, make it exciting to read. Can Salamanders Successors be allowed to be more than pidgeonholed as the "fire/dragon" guys?

[PorridgeMeister]

Because - 1: People like the theme but perhaps not the story/colours of the Salamanders. 2: A Salamanders training cadre may well pass on their beliefs to the new chapter. 3: If people want to do it, they are absolutely free too.

 

Just saying.

 

I have seen too many Salamanders Successors that have fire, wyrm, drake or dragon or somesuch in their name.

 

My advice/opinion is just that, and may be taken at the TC's discretion. But is it too much to ask to make the old new, put some flavor or a unique spin on his creation? Do something different, make it exciting to read. Can Salamanders Successors be allowed to be more than pidgeonholed as the "fire/dragon" guys?

 

I agree with Canton on this; I looked at the thread title and just thought "Oh another ordinary pyro/draconic-themed Sallies successor". I strongly recommend you change the name to something like the "Sons of the Inferno", "Disciples of the Flame", "Fire Brothers" and tone down the pyromania a little.

 

On the positive side, I would suggest building on the schism a little - maybe not something that caused the new chapter's formation but that facilitated it when it came - and also the Ecclesiarchial service thing - maybe they'll become the Ordo Hereticus version of the Red Hunters (use Lex link below if you need).

[strongbow]

Because - 1: People like the theme but perhaps not the story/colours of the Salamanders. 2: A Salamanders training cadre may well pass on their beliefs to the new chapter. 3: If people want to do it, they are absolutely free too.

 

Just saying.

 

I have seen too many Salamanders Successors that have fire, wyrm, drake or dragon or somesuch in their name.

 

My advice/opinion is just that, and may be taken at the TC's discretion. But is it too much to ask to make the old new, put some flavor or a unique spin on his creation? Do something different, make it exciting to read. Can Salamanders Successors be allowed to be more than pidgeonholed as the "fire/dragon" guys?

 

Fair enough, sorry if I came across as being a bit harsh, wasn't my intention :lol:.

 

As you said, it's ultimately up to him.

 

I really hope though that people who have Salamanders successors don't feel that they have to have a fire/dragon theme. There's considerably more to Salamanders than that. I certainly agree that there shouldn't be a pigeon hole situation with them.

[Conn Eremon]

It doesn't really help, Strongbow, that GW themselves push that theme to the max as well. To the point that one can say that the fire/dragon theme is as much a legacy of the Salamanders as the Wulfen is to the Space Wolves. Unlike the Space Wolves, however, the Salamanders have a chance to diverge from that theme, which we do see very little of. On one hand, it does have its own charm. On the other hand, there are so many different incarnations of it out there. Which brings to mind a question I have about Salamander gene-seed, but I'll take it to another forum.

 

As for the DIY chapter in question, I like the idea behind it, but I worry that it might become too constrictive. Certainly, not every Great Company/Chapter within the Legions agreed with each other. While I'm sure there was little internecine warfare within each Legion outside of the Heresy, there likely was great amounts of rivalry. Since each one was a separate entity within the whole, it stands to reason that each successive recruit to that Great Company would share in its history and outlook. So whatever happened within that Flamer group during the Heresy likely stayed with them well into the later millennia, when those who were there are all gone. When new Chapters need to be formed, using those pockets of different-minded Marines as the veteran core for one seems like a logical choice. So I'm fine with the idea of their history beginning in the Heresy, just remember that they didn't break off for some time. 2nd Founding is GW/BL territory, so soonest would be 3rd Founding.

 

I will say that the fire theme is a bit much, to me personally. The Salamanders themselves are already heavily fire-themed, though they have a lot of additional depth. It looks to me like you're contradicting a lot of that depth in your own chapter to more focus on the fire theme. I would do away with the contradictions, and just try to add your own spin or originality to it. Things like their treatment with people. It kind of reads like you're going the opposite direction just to make the Chapter more estranged and different from the Salamanders. I'm not trying to say you should get rid of that point entirely, because it is in fact fitting with most Marine Chapters, but maybe rewrite it. It sounds like your outlook was "Well this is how the Salamanders did it, so let's go the opposite direction," but I would recommend an outlook more along the lines of "Well, this is how the Salamanders did it, but how would my Chapter do it?" Maybe you'll come up with the same thing, who knows.

[Warp Angel]

I've just started reading Imperial Armor 9, Badab War (Part I), which covers contemporary events from 950+.M41 and it says that the Salamanders have no known successor chapters.

 

Might want to say Geneseed "unknown" and indicate that they're suspected of being from Salamander stock...

[Conn Eremon]

The fact that there are suspected successors is enough leeway to have them be a successor. Unlike the Space Wolves, we know for certain that only one Founding didn't have a Salamander successor, the 2nd Founding.

 

While yes, saying it's unknown but suspected would be more in keeping with the going 40k canon, the way it currently is doesn't exactly contradict it either.

[Thargrim_Bloodwolf]

I'm sticking with the dragon theme and pyromania since those are the two main thing that i actualy created the chapter for. However, I'm tempted to alter some stuff like the long seated schism being there but i would like to keep the link to the salamander link there so...

[NightrawenII]

May I suggest something? - Ifrit. See here and here.