IA: Black Sharks WIP

[DarkLiege]

This is just the beginning, C&C please. This is based on the info that was re-imaged by Philips' Space Sharks and Blood Sharks Chapters. Hope you guys enjoy it.
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Black Sharks: Centroscyllium nigrum

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This post will be left blank until the final version of the IA, if there ever is a final version to this.

Edited June 7, 2013 by DarkLiege

[Renegad3]

Welcome to the liber!

Interesting start. One part where you mention a shark trinity, and yet there are four chapters. This should be fixed. Also mention what makes them different form vanilla marines. Do this by putting in sections on combat tactics and organizations.

You have mentioned that they use fear which is good, but you should go more in depth.

 

You have a good base, so keep going and expanding on what you have!

 

Good luck!

Renegad3

[DarkLiege]

@Renegad3 the mention of the shark trinity is that there were probably more 'Shark' chapters but were not listed completely like the ultramarines 2nd founding.

 

I am still working on the Origin Section for now, trying to improve it as much as possible. I will also go more in depth with the whole 'fear' theme with the Chapter

[DarkLiege]

Any feedback are welcome or any new idea you might want me to consider is fine too.

[DarkLiege]

Update: Organization Section is added to the Topic now

[DarkLiege]

no complains to me made on this topic, even though there not much about it. no changes is needed to be made or is their just no love for sharks? lol

[CantonWC]

I guess I'll bite.

 

I shall tell thy

 

I shall tell thee.

 

“Our Brothers, the Space sharks, rules the void like the ocean. Our brothers, the Blood Sharks, rules with vengeances upon their soul. Our Brothers, the Iron Sharks, are masters of warfare. If they rules those, then what are we left with? I shall tell thy. We are left with the shadows and terror is our very weapon.”—Shadow Master Kelvis

 

Still shocked and recovering desperately from the aftermath of the Heresy, the High Lords of Terra needed a chapter who could instill fear once more into the very souls of the enemy, like the Night Lords once did. Upon the reorganization of the 296th expeditionary fleet, several ‘Shark’ Chapters were founded, amongst them was the Black Sharks. Founded using the geneseed of the ‘Great Khan’, himself, the Black Sharks were part of the Shark Trinity along with their brothers: The Space Sharks, The Blood Sharks and The Iron Sharks.

 

Imperial Armour Vol. 10 seems to contain the most substantial amount of 'official' background on the Carcharadons Astra, or Space Sharks, to use the more common name. It is asserted that almost nothing is known about them, because they spend all of their time beyond the borders of the Imperium. No one knows what their gene-seed is, although there is some speculation that they descended from the Raven Guard. Also, there is no mention of 'brother shark chapters.'

 

Your timeline is off. The 2nd Founding is generally considered locked down and off-limits and the 3rd Founding was a thousand years later.

 

Also, the basic premise of 'let's create a Chapter like the Night Lords, but still on our side' is probably not the smartest idea in the world.

 

In my opinion, you should not be painting in such broad strokes and especially trying to tie your chapter to an official one, because what you write will inevitably clash with what is already written. If this chapter is tied with this chapter, why haven't we already heard of them?

 

The Black Sharks, throughout many centuries, has been shunned by their brothers for reasons unknown. Their ties with the Adeptus Mechanicus are shallow at best to the point where the chapter had to care for their equipments by themselves. Unlike the other shark chapters, the Black Sharks does not have an alliance with the Adeptus Mechcanicus like the Iron Sharks, the Navigator Houses like the Blood Sharks or the Rouge Traders like the Space Sharks. They instead ally themselves with the Inquisition. This had led to many conflicts amongst their chapter and the other Sharks Chapters.

 

Again, broad strokes like this don't work. You can't really have alliances like this, you need to be on good terms with everyone not just one institution.

 

If you don't have Navigators, you cannot travel anywhere. At all.

 

Fighting without the support of the AdMech is... hard to do. One example I can think of is in 'Salamander.' I read about halfway because I didn't like the book much, but the Marines Malevolent are presented as a bunch of arrogant :lol: to the point where they have become hated by everyone, and they have to resort to outright piracy to get the supplies and equipment they need.

 

Rouge Traders

 

Rogue traders

 

The Black Sharks are organized into three large ‘packs’ instead of the traditional ten companies that has been uphold by many Chapters. Each ‘pack’ are known to contain around two hundred marines, fifty to sixty scouts, and one hundred and fifty retainers. It has been rumored that each ‘pack’ is in accordance with one of the three branches of the Inquisition. Although, this is just a rumor in the eyes of many. 1st pack is under the ‘command’ of the Ordo Hereticus tasked with the elimination of the Traitor forces. 2nd pack is under the ‘command’ of the Ordo Xenos tasked with eliminating Xenos. 3rd pack is under the ‘command’ of Ordo Malleus tasked with the elimination of the Tyranids race or other such threats to humanity.

 

In my experience, you need a really, really, really.... REALLY good reason to not have the standard organization. I've tried in the past; the standard codex organization works fine the way it is.

 

The Holy Ordos each have their own Chamber Militant, each of them very good at their appointed tasks. Why do you feel the need to attach your Chapter to the Inquisition as another goon squad?

 

It has been believed by many that the ‘Great Ka’u’ is a shark god that roams the shadows in search of its next victim.

 

Shark god... that's probably heretical.

 

Bye

 

CWC

[DarkLiege]

@CantonWC this is bsed on the info that was re-imaged by Philips which could be found on these two links

 

http://www.philipsibbering.com/wh40k/10-05...od-sharks.shtml

 

http://www.philipsibbering.com/wh40k/10-06...ce-sharks.shtml

 

one, like its said, is a re-image of the space sharks while another is part of the shark Trinity. I'm trying to include the Black Sharks as one of the 'Shark Trinity'.

 

I know this goes against the own IA but I am trying to make this enjoyable for me

[CantonWC]

@CantonWC this is bsed on the info that was re-imaged by Philips which could be found on these two links

 

You should have said so in big bold letters at the top of the page.

 

If you want to have your stuff based on or inspired by Philip S's stuff, that's fine, because I like reading through Philip S's ideas. But his idea on Space Sharks is technically non-canonical, or at least a completely different Chapter.

[DarkLiege]

@CantonWC Okay that part is fixed. the Part of the Shark Gods is that that is what others think. however, the Black Sharks belief that their Primarch is still alive adn trying to escape from the shadows of the Webway. As for the Inquisitions, i'll try to fix that part off too.

[DarkLiege]

updated the origin section of this topic. tel me what you think? thanks.

[Demus Ragnok]

 

The Black Sharks are organized into three large ‘packs’ instead of the traditional ten companies that has been uphold by many Chapters. Each ‘pack’ are known to contain around two hundred marines, fifty to sixty scouts, and one hundred and fifty retainers. It has been rumored that each ‘pack’ is in accordance with one of the three branches of the Inquisition. Although, this is just a rumor in the eyes of many. 1st pack is under the ‘command’ of the Ordo Hereticus tasked with the elimination of the Traitor forces. 2nd pack is under the ‘command’ of the Ordo Xenos tasked with eliminating Xenos. 3rd pack is under the ‘command’ of Ordo Malleus tasked with the elimination of the Tyranids race or other such threats to humanity.

 

I think 'nids fall into ordo Xenos territory. Ordo Malleus are daemon hunters. The Grey Knights being their ordo militant.

[DarkLiege]

@ Demus Ragnok i'm trying to move away from them to be a part of the inquisition.

[Destecado]

Black Sharks sounds a bit flat. Are you dead set on the name? I would suggest Tiger Sharks, but that

[DarkLiege]

Thanks once again Destecado for your help. I'm trying to redo the whole thing of the black sharks, and yes i am bend on the name, with their terror/fear as a weapon.

 

I want them to be crazy and sadistic about their missing father.

 

Here are the links for Philip's re-image of the Space Sharks and his own creation of the Blood Sharks.

 

Blood Sharks: http://www.philipsibbering.com/wh40k/10-05...od-sharks.shtml

 

re-imaged Space Sharks: http://www.philipsibbering.com/wh40k/10-06...ce-sharks.shtml

Edited December 30, 2011 by DarkLiege

[DarkLiege]

How about basing the chapter of the Black Sharks around the Gurkhas from Napel from the 18th century to world war 2 era?

 

What do you guys think of this since i still want the marines to use terror tactics.

[Bjorn Firewalker]

How about basing the chapter of the Black Sharks around the Gurkhas from Napel from the 18th century to world war 2 era?

 

What do you guys think of this since i still want the marines to use terror tactics.

I don't associate Gurkhas with sharks. Maybe you should base them on the Hawaiians, with "Kamehameha" as a Chapter Master's name?

 

I also found this on Wikipedia, while researching Hawaiian mythology: Nightmarchers

In Hawaiian legend, Nightmarchers (huaka'i p? or "Spirit Ranks," 'oi'o) are the ghosts of ancient Hawaiian warriors. On the nights of Kane, Ku, Lono, Akua, or on the nights of Kaloa they are said to come forth from their burial sites to march out to past battles or to other sacred places. They march at sunset and just before the sun rises. Anyone living near their path may hear chanting and marching, and must go inside to avoid notice. They might appear during the day if coming to escort a dying relative to the spirit world. Anyone looking upon or seen by the marchers will die unless a relative is within the marcher's ranks- some people maintain that if you lie face down on the ground they will not see you.

 

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"The first thing you will hear is drums in the distance, then you will smell a foul and musky odor, and you will hear a conch shell being blown, for fair warning to get out of the way, and you will see torches getting brighter and brighter as they get closer. Your best chance is to have an ancestor that recognizes you, they will call out,"Na'u!" which means mine. But if you are in the night marchers' bloodline no one in the procession can harm you. No matter what you build in their path they go straight through it. The night marchers are the vanguard for a sacred chief or chiefess who unusually have a high station in life." - Po Kane. Haunted Hawaiian Nights, by Lopaka Kapanui

Maybe use this as the inspiration for the Black Sharks' honor guard?

Edited January 1, 2012 by Bjorn Firewalker

[DarkLiege]

@Born Firewalker thanks for the link and i have added the nightwalkers in as honor guards in the chapter. i was thinking of using some info from the Gurkhas like their undying spirit?

[Bjorn Firewalker]

@Born Firewalker thanks for the link and i have added the nightwalkers in as honor guards in the chapter.

NightMARCHERs. "Nightwalkers" is slang for vampires and prostitutes- the latter MIGHT work if you plan to use Codex: Blood Angels rules, the latter is completely inappropriate.

i was thinking of using some info from the Gurkhas like their undying spirit?

I don't know enough about Gurkha culture to comment. Input from Brits, Indians, etc.?

[Bjorn Firewalker]

Further nuggets of Hawaiian mythology: Sharks in Mythology

In Hawaiian mythology, there were several main shark gods. It was commonly believed that, when a person died, their family could offer the corpse to become a shark. The dead body was then believed to make a slow transformation into a shark, and the kahuna (a priest, sorcerer or magician) would then tell the family that specific markings on a shark

[DarkLiege]

@Born Firewalker thanks for the link and i have added the nightwalkers in as honor guards in the chapter.

NightMARCHERs. "Nightwalkers" is slang for vampires and prostitutes- the latter MIGHT work if you plan to use Codex: Blood Angels rules, the latter is completely inappropriate.

 

My bad, I meant to say nightmarchers but i was in a rush. No offense on anyone.

 

Further nuggets of Hawaiian mythology: Sharks in Mythology

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In Hawaiian mythology, there were several main shark gods. It was commonly believed that, when a person died, their family could offer the corpse to become a shark. The dead body was then believed to make a slow transformation into a shark, and the kahuna (a priest, sorcerer or magician) would then tell the family that specific markings on a shark’s body corresponded to the clothing worn by the deceased. The family would put great trust in this particular shark to steer fish into their nets as well as to deter danger and even to harm and kill their personal enemies. This was known as the family’s “aumakua”, and it was called by the name of the deceased.

Sounds like a ritual a Space Marine might adopt, to honor his birth family. (This isn't as unlikely as it sounds. Codex: Space Marines and Codex: Space Wolves both name Space Marine Captains who adorn their war gear with their birth families' coat-of-arms, meaning if a Space Marine chooses to do so, he may retain a link to his birth family, especially if he's of noble birth.)

 

Also, "Kahuna" might work as a Librarian's title.

 

This seems like a great idea but how would this work out. Like the native doing that but the dead is picked up by the chapter instead or something like that. Would you give me an example to this ritual. Thanks. ;)

[Bjorn Firewalker]

Say the Chapter's Librarians screen pledges for their worthiness to join the Chapter, by subjecting them to mental tests similar to the "Gates of Morkai" that Space Wolves go through. The process is often fatal; those who survive the test, are seen by superstitious people as having died and been reborn as a Black Shark. Hereafter, the pledge will be worshipped as a guardian spirit, especially if he becomes a full Space Marine.

 

Alternately, the Chapter adopt the guise of "Choosers of the Slain," as Space Wolves do, and recruit directly from the battlefields of feral people. Since their technology can heal wounds mortal to non-augmented humans, the Marines are thought to have the ability to raise the dead, to serve his ancesters as a Nightmarcher.

[DarkLiege]

Say the Chapter's Librarians screen pledges for their worthiness to join the Chapter, by subjecting them to mental tests similar to the "Gates of Morkai" that Space Wolves go through. The process is often fatal; those who survive the test, are seen by superstitious people as having died and been reborn as a Black Shark. Hereafter, the pledge will be worshipped as a guardian spirit, especially if he becomes a full Space Marine.

 

Alternately, the Chapter adopt the guise of "Choosers of the Slain," as Space Wolves do, and recruit directly from the battlefields of feral people. Since their technology can heal wounds mortal to non-augmented humans, the Marines are thought to have the ability to raise the dead, to serve his ancesters as a Nightmarcher.

 

I think i could make it work somehow. thanks, Bjorn Firewalker! ;)

[DarkLiege]

Black Sharks Planning Stage

 

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Concept: The Black Sharks are crazy and sadistic marines wanting to find their father, Jaghatai Khan.

 

Why: do not believe their father is dead; but still alive and well.

 

How: Interrogation of Eldars that they capture to find out information

 

As centuries pass, their goal was forgotten and they continue to travel the void in search of something, something that even the Black Sharks are not clear as to what it is or if it exist at all.

 

Black Sharks:

- Hatred for Eldars

- Want to find info on their father

- 3rd Founding; 544.M32-The Beast Arises

- Cold and Mysterious

- Very secretive; does not talk to outsiders(Sociopaths)

- No emotions expect aggressiveness and use of fear.

 

Doctrine: Hit and Run; Terror Tactics; Boarding Tactics

 

Makes their own combat knife

 

Goes through a series of test:

- Fitness test

- Military skills

- Mental test, similar to that of the Space Wolves

Edited January 20, 2012 by DarkLiege

[DarkLiege]

This is what i got so far and still working on it. this is all i got so far and am working on the doctrine for the chapter.

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Cold and mysterious are the Black Sharks that their names are only whispered in fear. Their stories are twisted on every world they encounter, spoken of as stories to hush the children. Some even goes so far as to think they are renegade marines. Their deeds are legendary beyond reason but their methods are heartless beyond doubt. The Black Sharks are crazy and ruthless bastards in every way. Wielding fear as their weapon, the chapter has struck terror into the hearts of many and created fables among others. Their victories are grim however undeniably affective – Crushing the Dark Eldars’ resolves at the battle of Quitus Primus, overthrowing WAAAAAGH! Gorbskinna in a few months, Stopped a rebellion in the Razen sector with the mention of their name, and many more. The people of the Imperium calls them “The Forgotten Ones” or “The Forsaken Ones”.

 

Origins:

 

“Brothers, make them fear the shadows, the very shadows that protect them.”— Sergeant Kalus Balius

 

Created as a third founding to aid the Ultramarines in securing their eastern borders, the chapter’s lightning speed was critical to many victories. However, the newly founded chapter was soon shaken to its foundation from an event they will not recover from. little is known of the event except something happend to their primogenitor primarch jaghatai khan and from that the chapter has made a vow to search every corner of the the webway and make the Eldar pay for their insolence.

 

Sailing the stars, the chapter attacked as many craftworlds as they can encounter. Each time capturing a few elder to interrogate on their ship. It was though these interrogations that they found fear to be the most useful. It was not long before the whole chapter became obsesses over the whole idea of using fear, so obsesses that the captains of each companies had their marines paint a skull on their face plate. This has led them astray from their assign task and their vow that they pledge in centuries past. Their first chapter master, Raiz Gorgon, saw the chapter like a shark prowling the void for their prey and thus named the chapter: the Black Sharks.

 

Organization:

 

“The Black Sharks has a complex organization, making them hard to track down. However, it matters not since they make effective weapons against any threat that We, the Imperium, might face.” –Inquisitor Kal Pouis of the Ordo Hereticus, M.35

 

With the constant use of drop-pods and launching pods, the Black Sharks’ organization has turned into a fleet based chapter. The chapter, having constantly assaulted various craftworlds, has become severely under strength. Still trying to maintain a codex oriented chapter, the Black Sharks has instead organized itself into fleets. With half the chapters’ strength, the Black Sharks only have five fleet in operation. However, most of their battle brothers are in dreadnoughts, the Chapter still continues to strike from where they are least expected too. Each fleet is ruled/commanded by a Shadow Master(Captain).

 

With the death of their first chapter master, Graleus, the chapter splintered off with each fleet going their own route. However before they splintered off, they created the brethrens court in which they gather when there is trouble externally. The brethren court consisted of the highly ranked members of their chapter: the Shadow Masters, Chief Kuhuna(Librarian), and High Chaplain.

 

The first fleet consist of the chapters’ veterans squads. They had named themselves as ‘The Nightmarchers’ Fleet for where they go, there is only death. The first fleet does not operate as a whole but instead is divided between the other four fleets. Some even thinks that the first fleet is but a legend. The Nightmarchers is a highly ranked official of the chapter akin almost to the honor guards role.

 

The Second through fifth fleets are the backbones of the chapter. Each of these fleets consist of tactical marines and assault squads. The chapter has abandon much of their vehicles, only using them for planetary missions. however, many of these vehicles are still new. The chapter fields a wide arrange of dreadnoughts since much of their brothers are infused into dreadnoughts from wound to heavy to sustain. Each fleet has a responsibility to recruit themselves.

 

The Second fleet has been known as ‘The Bloodtide’. This fleet consisted mostly of the chapters assault squads who fly to the sky seeking vengeances. They are currently in the Halo Star region. Whatever their reason for being there, no one knows.

 

The Third fleet is known only as ‘The Dreaded’. This fleet consist mostly of biker squads and Rhino transport. Although, they do have ten tactical squads in reserve. They’re position is in the Ghoul Stars.

 

The Fourth fleet is known as ‘The Damned’. This fleet consist mostly of dreadnoughts as many warriors are too mortally wounded to continue combat operation. The fleet is currently unknown as to where they are. Some things they have gone missing in action and some thinks they are all dead.

 

The Fifth fleet are known as ‘The Grudgebearers’. This fleet consist of the chapters’ tactical squads with only five dreadnoughts. This fleet still hold a grudge, til this day, against the Eldar.

 

Gene-seed:

 

“Gene-seed are a lineage pass down from the most worthy of warriors. However, what is lineage without Honour? That is something we, the Black Sharks, has forgotten.”—Chaplain Yamoa

 

The gene-seed of the Black Sharks comes from the noble V Legion, the White Scars. However, over centuries the Black Sharks’ gene-seed has minor mutations. Apothecaries works endlessly trying to keep the mutation under check and slow it down as best they could unless they become branded as renegades.

 

The Ossmodula implant had almost stopped working completely. This has led most marines in the chapter to be mortally wounded than usual. Many Battle Brothers has scars covering their bodies as the healing process has slowed down. In some cases, this slowing down of the healing process has led many to have bionic implants in them. With the Ossmodula implant almost out of working order, this has led to the deaths of many battle brothers leaving the Chapter with only half the chapter’s strength.

Edited January 25, 2012 by DarkLiege