Jim Shady Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 So ADB's next HH novel will be called Betrayer. From his Facebook page; Aaron Dembski-Bowden It's Xmas and I'm feeling generous. My next Heresy novel will be called... Betrayer. Guess the main character. Khârn gets his own book B) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/244119-betrayer/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billuriye Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 Pretty neat. But wasn't the title Betrayer granted after Battle of Skalathrax which is after HH ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/244119-betrayer/#findComment-2951222 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareddm Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 So ADB's next HH novel will be called Betrayer. From his Facebook page; Aaron Dembski-Bowden It's Xmas and I'm feeling generous. My next Heresy novel will be called... Betrayer. Guess the main character. Khârn gets his own book :lol: Fixed this for you. You got my hopes up for a white scars novel... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/244119-betrayer/#findComment-2951284 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Rawl Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 Introging Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/244119-betrayer/#findComment-2951291 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Semper Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 Well good luck trying make Khârn's betrayal an ideological one! That'll be a challenge! Khârn is up to this point the ultimate "blood for the blood God" phycho, and that's good enough to field him on the tabletop. You get all the depth you need and like it! Try build a story around him though and two problems emerge: (1) you alienate (most?) people that actually like the one-dimentional nature of this character, and (2) in the attempt to avoid (1) make for a very predictable and tiring story... It is really time to ask the question: Is Khârn worth exploring? I guess we got the answer from ADB, and I look forward to see how he goes about it! Edit: unless of course the story is about Luther! :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/244119-betrayer/#findComment-2951309 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulse Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 I can imagine Khârn being tipped into the path of Khorne through an emotional event or something similar. I just hope it isn't the Kor'Pharon story all over again or a similar version. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/244119-betrayer/#findComment-2951339 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 Pretty neat. But wasn't the title Betrayer granted after Battle of Skalathrax which is after HH ? Fear not, brother. A D-B is well known to do thorough research for his novels. I'm sure, if the word 'betrayer' surfaces in the book, it'll be for a good reason. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/244119-betrayer/#findComment-2951348 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Wilhelm Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 There is a nice piece about Khârn in the Age of Darkness set of short HH stories. But I shan't tell what the story is called, as that is an important secret. Sorry :angry: You'll just have to read all of the stories ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/244119-betrayer/#findComment-2951389 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billuriye Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 Fear not, brother. A D-B is well known to do thorough research for his novels. I'm sure, if the word 'betrayer' surfaces in the book, it'll be for a good reason. :wacko: Indeed. That's why i'm intrigued rather than afraid actually. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/244119-betrayer/#findComment-2951612 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimdarkness Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 Are we sure it's Khârn there where a lot of betrayers during the hearsay? I can only hope it avoids the kill maim burn approach if it is Khârn his cameos in the books so far make him out to be a interesting Character. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/244119-betrayer/#findComment-2951624 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconis Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 his cameos in the books so far make him out to be a interesting Character. Indeed. I remember a section in one book where Khârn is calm and the voice of reason- he chills Angron out during a heated moment. It would be cool to see some more of that Khârn. But unless ADB has actually said "Khârn is in the book" then I think it will cover someone else. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/244119-betrayer/#findComment-2951640 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durfast Spiritwolf Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 There is a nice piece about Khârn in the Age of Darkness set of short HH stories.But I shan't tell what the story is called, as that is an important secret. Sorry :P You'll just have to read all of the stories ;) :D It certainly leaves nice openings for a dedicated book to pick up on - as do many of the stories... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/244119-betrayer/#findComment-2951660 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ju'kosian Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 Pretty neat. But wasn't the title Betrayer granted after Battle of Skalathrax which is after HH ? I was thinking the same thing, guess we'll see. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/244119-betrayer/#findComment-2951675 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Dakath Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 Couldn't it also be about Horus? I mean Khârn wasn't granted the title Betrayer until after the Heresy and the big Betrayer is Horus during the heresy.....unless it's written from a Traitor Legion's point of view and then it could be the Emperor...the legions did feel he betrayed them... Just food for thought, I think it might be about Khârn personally. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/244119-betrayer/#findComment-2951691 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coryphaus 101 Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 I'm so glad it's A D-B doing this book. I hope he does the WE really well (which he probably will) and shows that they're not just mindless savages (WE are probably my favourite legion per heresy but I don't like them post heresy cause of the whole one dimensional 'kill main burn' thing) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/244119-betrayer/#findComment-2951825 Share on other sites More sharing options...
2000AD Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 What we need is some fluff on the point the WE turn to Khorne.... We already know about the EC and Slannesh and the TS and Tzeentch Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/244119-betrayer/#findComment-2951888 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 I'm rather curious to see if the story relates to Khârn's epithet or if it's there for recognition purposes only, as in "This is the story of the World Eater later to be known as 'Betrayer'". Creating a second (technically first) instance in which Khârn goes chain-happy on his Legion, even one handled by ADB, leaves me a little skeptical. But hell...it's about time. With Blood Angels, Angron, Khârn and the White Scars coming (announced or not), it seems they left the true bloodshed for last (except for Russ, of course). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/244119-betrayer/#findComment-2952100 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hrvat Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 I don't think people remember but in Helsreach Horus is mentioned as the Betrayer. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/244119-betrayer/#findComment-2952336 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 I don't think people remember but in Helsreach Horus is mentioned as the Betrayer. Yeah, Placing my bets on Horus unless they are retconning Kharns deeds against his own after the heresy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/244119-betrayer/#findComment-2952423 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 They don't need to retcon, they can either create new instances in which Khârn turned on the Legion or simply show how his mind becomes detached from things like brotherhood. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/244119-betrayer/#findComment-2952530 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 Please God let his fight with Sigismund be in the novel. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/244119-betrayer/#findComment-2952536 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AekoldHelbrass Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 I'm almost sure it will be about the Emperor himself, who betrayed us all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/244119-betrayer/#findComment-2952537 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tezzy Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 People read too much into titles. Remember Prospero Burns? If the book is about Khârn, the title Betrayer doesn't really mean it's going to even cover the infamous fighting in the Scouring with his own legion and the EC. The title could just be a nod to the name the main character will eventually become known by across the Galaxy. I think a story starting from just after Istvaan V right up to the breaching of the wall or something similar would be winsauce. World Eater fluff has been very delicately handled thus far in the series, limited to short spells on centre stage where their single minded violent nature was apparent but there were hints at a more layered nature of pride and angst. The transition from haughty imperial butchers to single minded Khorne psychopaths can only be handled by ADB. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/244119-betrayer/#findComment-2952567 Share on other sites More sharing options...
esinhorn Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 Or it could be a double entendre Betrayer for turning against the Emp and he also becomes known as the Betrayer afterward. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/244119-betrayer/#findComment-2952584 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Shady Posted December 28, 2011 Author Share Posted December 28, 2011 But didn't he say that Butchers Nails is a lead up to the next HH book? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/244119-betrayer/#findComment-2952592 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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