Mercy 0f Spades Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Howdy B&C! I'd like to direct your attention to our Dreadnought. You know, that big loveable green painted walking can of armored death? Well, it's painfully obvious that the 1st Company's Venerable Dreadnought is superior to the rest. I mean seriously, why wouldn't you want the option to reroll bad results? So here's the question. I own your standard Dreadnought. In a regular GW kind of tournament would they allow me to field it as a Venerable Dreadnought?... Okay, now what if I painted it white? Would they still have issues?... Side Note/Thoughts: Not to hate on the actual model of the Venerable Dreadnought but man... this guy is some kind of idiot! Here you have a walking, death dealing, monstrosity of armored steel and your brightest idea is to take off the plate of armor that's protecting the pilot from getting shot? Just because you're old doesn't mean you can do ridiculous things and pass it off as a good idea... We have a word for such people... it's called eccentric! Stupid half dead old guys shouldn't be allowed to ride around in their walking tanks with the tops down trying to relive the glory days!... Such fellows are destined for nursing homes! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/244977-how-to-dread-in-a-tournament/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Semper Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Regarding your question, I'd say that what makes a Dread Ven visually is ornamentation. This is pretty subjective. You can get anything from the FW Ven Dread (pretty ornamental) to a normal plastic dread with a purity seal... or maybe not even that. Regarding painting it, there are no limitations. I know the current dex depicts a Ven Dread with white panoply but up to that point the only white thing was Termie armour. So It's up to you - you want it white? no prob, you want it green? again no prob. You want it electric purple with little yellow ducks painted all over it in honour of the Siege of Castarax Prime? Absolutely! (talking about eccentrics Brother Baphomet was the king!!!). Now some may argue that there is a plastic GW Ven Dread out there, so proper WYSIWYG demands you use that - I say bs. Not least because it's a hideous model. :D BUT since this is a tournament and the organizers have absolute authority check with them just to be on the safe side - my bet is they'd go with the "All it takes is to say in the beginning of the battle that the Dread is Ven and you're done" but you never know. Now regarding your second point I'm a bit perplexed... Why are you saying the pilot is unprotected? (pilot may actually be the wrong term here). The Ven Dread (much as I dislike it) looks pretty well armoured to me... EDIT: typos Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/244977-how-to-dread-in-a-tournament/#findComment-2962290 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alys Dwr Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Paint it how you like, it's your dreadought in your army. I own 3 dreads (2 green and one white) and all three tend to roll as venerable. I just make sure my oponent knows. Regarding the lack of armour, i take it you mean the exposed head on the ven dread/ MkIV dread? I used to think the same (why is his head poking out) but then i came across something somewhere that pointed out it was merely a sensor unit made to look like a marine head. This makes the dreadnought fit better with the army as a whole and more relatable to other marines. The fleshy remains are all bundled up in a life support cocoon in the centre of the dread, no squish bits are exposed. And even if it is the marines head. power armour is tough as nails so i doubt it's any less protected than the rest of the body. Al Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/244977-how-to-dread-in-a-tournament/#findComment-2962361 Share on other sites More sharing options...
krewl Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 You want it electric purple with little yellow ducks painted all over it in honour of the Siege of Castarax Prime? Absolutely! (talking about eccentrics Brother Baphomet was the king!!!). I'd obviously go with this option, nothing screems venerable as much as yellow ducks! :P As to your question, no you do not have to take the venerable model, though the FW ones do look very nice. As "Venerable" is an upgrade that is not an actual gun I've never had anyone who had issues with dreads not being the venerable models. (also, the first venerable model that looked like a walking church was hideous :) ). But a lot of purity seals, a special model or a colour scheme difference from your regulars is usually enough. I can't imagine people objecting to it either way, but it is handy to have some distinction if you have both venerables and non venerables. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/244977-how-to-dread-in-a-tournament/#findComment-2962371 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tengo Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 So long as you've got it printed on a pre-written word processed army list that you've paid the 20 Pts to upgrade your dreadnought to a Venny, who's to say that your dread isn't venerable? Honestly, when it comes down to it, venerable just means experienced and honoured (and if you're a fan of 40K uses of Catholicism, it also means dead but not yet sanctified, I'm not going to draw meaning from that at the moment) is an opponent really going to argue that your dreadnought isn't a learned veteran of the chapter? Unlike weapons and equipment like melta bombs or vehicle upgrade like Dozer blade and hunter-killer, there's no single part that sticking to your dread makes it a venny visually, in terms of pure WYSIWYG, if anything you're just supposed to make it look more, well, venerable. White armour, the colour of the first company signifies the higher standing of the dreadnought, according to the 'dex only ven dreads are part of the DW and so are painted white. Stick a few things from the DA chapter upgrade sprue on there and give it a splash of bronze or gold and Robert is your mother's brother! Alternatively, you could just buy the better looking dread, the one sold by GW as the 'Venerable Dreadnought' ;) I don't know about the 'new plastic one' I haven't seen it, but I don't like the sound of it. Also, I'm probably alone here, but I think that the FW dreads are utterly hideous. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/244977-how-to-dread-in-a-tournament/#findComment-2962408 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Baphomet Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 (talking about eccentrics Brother Baphomet was the king!!!). Why thank you! ;) :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/244977-how-to-dread-in-a-tournament/#findComment-2962450 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Semper Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Well, it was bound to be a member with this name!!! :P I thought about it afterwords... ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/244977-how-to-dread-in-a-tournament/#findComment-2962457 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercy 0f Spades Posted January 9, 2012 Author Share Posted January 9, 2012 Awesome! Thanks guys! I've already attached the Dark Angels flare so I'm just going to repaint the dread green. I think this will just look better. By the way, what's the ruling on extra armor as far as WYSIWYG goes? I'm currently using Iron Clad Assault Launchers to represent the extra armor on my dread. I'm sure that will be enough but have you ever heard of them making a fuss about these issues before? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/244977-how-to-dread-in-a-tournament/#findComment-2962460 Share on other sites More sharing options...
march10k Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Paint it how you like, it's your dreadought in your army. I own 3 dreads (2 green and one white) and all three tend to roll as venerable. I just make sure my oponent knows. Hehe...I have two white and one...black. I decided that the venerable brother interred in the third dreddy was formerly an ace landspeer pilot, and got to keep his original colors when he moved on to the next phase of his existence, hence the ravenwing colors. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/244977-how-to-dread-in-a-tournament/#findComment-2962483 Share on other sites More sharing options...
company veteran Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 im getting a contemptor...dunno whether to paint it bone or green...aaarrgghhhh! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/244977-how-to-dread-in-a-tournament/#findComment-2962496 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WatchCaptainAzrael Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Why not keep the standard Dread chassis, but add several bitz to indicate the status of the occupant? A few feather charms on the weapons, an angel statue here and there, the occasional trophy from a previous life to inspire and caution the troops.. You can even say that the occupant disliked the eccentricity of the Venerable chassis. Just my 0.02 thrones. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/244977-how-to-dread-in-a-tournament/#findComment-2962500 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tengo Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Well, it was bound to be a member with this name!!! :( I thought about it afterwords... ;) When I first read Brother Baphomet, my initial thought was "I've seen him around the here at some point" and then I remembered the ACTUAL Baphomet. By the way, what's the ruling on extra armor as far as WYSIWYG goes?... Tends to be the same as the whole 'what makes a Dreadnought venerable in terms of WYSIWYG' question. So long as it on the army list, you won't normally get pulled up on it. However, a few squares of card painted boltgun or something would definitely do the trick, if you really wanted to. You can even say that the occupant disliked the eccentricity of the Venerable chassis. That excuse works for anyone, it would be the unforgiven, you know how we like to shy away from eccentricity and attention :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/244977-how-to-dread-in-a-tournament/#findComment-2962635 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Semper Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 im getting a contemptor...dunno whether to paint it bone or green...aaarrgghhhh! Or black... Yes he is THAT old! :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/244977-how-to-dread-in-a-tournament/#findComment-2962640 Share on other sites More sharing options...
company veteran Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 i considered this... but he would have been repainted green when they changed colours. also i hate painting black :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/244977-how-to-dread-in-a-tournament/#findComment-2962660 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Blaire Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Except for the 1st and 2nd Companies, who never repainted (well, until the 1st's Plains-world incident, which may or may not even have been a real thing depending on how you want to read the "everything is told as metaphor" line). If anyone would have kept the original black panalopy, it would be someone as venerable as to be in a Contemptor Dreadnought. Maybe the guy said "I wake up and I'm any other color than black, I'm not fighting, you silly youngin's!" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/244977-how-to-dread-in-a-tournament/#findComment-2962670 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WatchCaptainAzrael Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 That excuse works for anyone, it would be the unforgiven, you know how we like to shy away from eccentricity and attention :D I'm not sure we're on the same page or if my words amused you, but considering the background of the Chapter the OP's working on, yes, a venerable elder refusing something vainglorious given the state of the Chapter is entirely possible. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/244977-how-to-dread-in-a-tournament/#findComment-2962782 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercy 0f Spades Posted January 10, 2012 Author Share Posted January 10, 2012 Hey I just wanted to thank you all for your help. I just finished working on the model and it has to be my favorite conversion/paint job to date! First, I successfully magnetized his gun arm so that it can now switch between Multi Melta and Assault Cannon. I then took my sweet time (3 hours) to give it a fresh new paint job. Then I spent the next 2 hours making it look battle worn. Seriously, I'm proud of the "damage" I put on this guy. It looks like this Dreadnought stormed the beaches on D Day! I even went so far to detail the chassis underneath each arm so that if it loses that arm due to a Weapon Destroyed result it really looks like it got blown off/riddled with bullets/on fire. I'm really proud of the TLC I but into this AoBR model! :D Once again, thanks guys. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/244977-how-to-dread-in-a-tournament/#findComment-2963518 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayward Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 About the plastic Ven dread: The head sticking out its actually the interned brother himself: if you take out the plating you cansee the TORSO of the injuried brother connected to the dread itself by a bunch of power cables and such. Big fail IMHO, injuried terminators dont get dreads!! And being the ven option you would think it will be someone un TDA, and not a power armor lad... Anyway, thekit has FOUR sarcophagus choices, two headshowing and two more traditional sarcophagus-like, with only a small visor. These two sarcophagus are ornamented as the rest of the thing, dont stop getting one or two, its a nice kit full of options. Missile launcher arm not included. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/244977-how-to-dread-in-a-tournament/#findComment-2963623 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Immolator Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 The head pointing out from the dread is not as silly as the dreadknight having the whole of the pilot exposed and riding a mechanical crutch... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/244977-how-to-dread-in-a-tournament/#findComment-2963638 Share on other sites More sharing options...
march10k Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 That's no more the "pilot's" head than a crisis suit's "head" is the pilot's helmet! In both cases, we're talking about a sensor pod that's just aesthetically sculpted to make the war machine look more humanoid... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/244977-how-to-dread-in-a-tournament/#findComment-2963692 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayward Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 That's no more the "pilot's" head than a crisis suit's "head" is the pilot's helmet! In both cases, we're talking about a sensor pod that's just aesthetically sculpted to make the war machine look more humanoid... Not for GW sculptors at least, its painfully clear theres a piece of space marine plugged to the front of the dread. http://www.heresy-online.net/forums/sprues/data/976/medium/Venerable_Dread_1_front1.JPG As you can see, the front of the dread without the plating shows a space marine torso plunged in there... It doesnt look like an aesthetical decoration, as the bigh helms of the FW ven dreads. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/244977-how-to-dread-in-a-tournament/#findComment-2963880 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercy 0f Spades Posted January 11, 2012 Author Share Posted January 11, 2012 The head pointing out from the dread is not as silly as the dreadknight having the whole of the pilot exposed and riding a mechanical crutch... I thought the same thing but once I got a hold of the codex I read that there is a near impenetrable force field surrounding the entire exposed marine. Sadly, the field doesn't extend to the rest of the contraption. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/244977-how-to-dread-in-a-tournament/#findComment-2963934 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kovash Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Since you decided to repaint your dread, we need you to post some images! I used a simple AOBR dread to represent my Venerable Dreadnought, Revered Brother Brosav. Here's a pic: I painted him the same color as my Deathwing because that's he will always be a member of the first company. Remember, they're your models, you should paint them up how you feel. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/244977-how-to-dread-in-a-tournament/#findComment-2963997 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercy 0f Spades Posted January 11, 2012 Author Share Posted January 11, 2012 Since you decided to repaint your dread, we need you to post some images! I used a simple AOBR dread to represent my Venerable Dreadnought, Revered Brother Brosav. Here's a pic: I painted him the same color as my Deathwing because that's he will always be a member of the first company. Remember, they're your models, you should paint them up how you feel. Hey man, you stole my dreadnought! lol but seriously, I also used an AoBR Dreadnought for mine. It was a decent enough model and hardly looks like it originally did. It looks more like it just crawled out from underneath an avalanche. I just need to add a wash in certain areas, flock the base, add the decals, and it should be finished. I'll post pics up as soon as I can. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/244977-how-to-dread-in-a-tournament/#findComment-2964082 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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