Grandmaster Anaziel Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Deliverance Lost confirmed that the Space Marines were a stop gap replacement for the Primarchs. After the Primarchs were scattered, the Emperor didn't want to take the time to replace them. So he created our beloved Power Armored Marines. :lol: However, the 20 Primarchs by themselves could not have conquered the galaxy without soldiers. If the Adeptus Astartes were never a part of the original plan, I would imagine that the 20 Primarchs were something akin to prototypes. If they had been fully developed, the Emperor could have grown more Primarch like beings efficiently. Perhaps clones, or super-duper marines. What do you all think? Was the Emperor's original plan to have Legions of Primarchs, not Marines? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245003-how-many-primarchs-would-the-emperor-have-made/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 My impression was that the Emperor's Thunder Warriors were genetically engineered soldiers breed to the Big E's specifications, yet they just didn't live long enough. The Custodes where genetically augmented men taken to the height of human potential per the Big E's specifications, yet they took too much to produce. The Primarchs were to be the next level of super-men, immotal super-soldiers that would mature faster than normal humans ... and supply the genetic material to turn mortal man into near-immortal super-soldiers. Which He did do, in the form of the Space Marines. Which is to say, it seems that at no point did the Emperor seem to plan for more than 20 Primarchs, and it seem that it was His intention all along to use the Primarch's geneseed to mass produce an army of long-living Thunder Warriors be augmenting normal humans. With the loss of the Primarchs, the Big E's project was set back, but not stopped, which brought us His flawed Space Marines rather than His perfect Space Marines. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245003-how-many-primarchs-would-the-emperor-have-made/#findComment-2964044 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astalon Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 In Deliverance Lost, and in other place, the Emperor says that the Primarchs were to be the generals to lead his armies in conquering the Galaxy. The implication being there were only ever meant to be 20, whatever the armies of the Emperor consisted of (SMs, thunder warriors, etc). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245003-how-many-primarchs-would-the-emperor-have-made/#findComment-2964578 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Didn't the emperor use finite and unrecoverable resources from the dark age of technology in the creation of the primarchs? I'm under the impression that if he had wanted to make more he'd have to find a different way of doing so, if it was possible. :eek Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245003-how-many-primarchs-would-the-emperor-have-made/#findComment-2964603 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zincite Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Crap. I just got my fluff corner all tidy, and you knocked it all over. *Starts picking third edition snippets back up, grumbling about 'fancy panty new fluff.'* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245003-how-many-primarchs-would-the-emperor-have-made/#findComment-2964726 Share on other sites More sharing options...
awfulawful Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 How many Primarchs would he have made in an ideal universe? Nine, apparently. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245003-how-many-primarchs-would-the-emperor-have-made/#findComment-2964919 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulse Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 How many Primarchs would he have made in an ideal universe? Nine, apparently. :rolleyes: Yeh that worked well... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245003-how-many-primarchs-would-the-emperor-have-made/#findComment-2964977 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 I believe that each primarch was designed to represent one aspect of the E himself. Their physicality and personalities are far to grand to be produced in mass. Quality over quantity. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245003-how-many-primarchs-would-the-emperor-have-made/#findComment-2965046 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexus25 Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 I like to think that while the Primarchs were to be his Generals and Favorite sons. That they were to be the template for more than the marines that were created that they were to be the template for a new mankind. I believe if given time the Emperor would have found a way to perfect ALL of mankind into the near perfect beings that the Primarch's were suppose to be with the eventual end being a race of Primarchs..... Let the crap storm ensue ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245003-how-many-primarchs-would-the-emperor-have-made/#findComment-2965538 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 So far everything has been accurate. The biggest thing to stopped the production of Primarchs was the destruction of the equipment necessary. It is possible that he planned to start with twenty Legions and maybe mork more as the need arose. The fluff isn't pointing in that direction but it is possible. But what the fluff does say is that original the Custodes were meant to be the Emperor's right hand in all things, but they took to long to make so instead they served as a precursor to the Primarchs, what he would need in every single one of his super-soldiers. Making the Primarchs gave him the blue prints necessary to rapidly and efficiently produce said super-soldiers and then he commissioned the Mechanicus to build the weapons for his twenty Legions. In other words, once the Emperor started to create the Primarchs, the Space Marines were always apart of his plan. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245003-how-many-primarchs-would-the-emperor-have-made/#findComment-2965604 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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