CantonWC Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 I'm in an argument and I need a reference, stat! Every time the duel between Horus and the Emperor comes up, there are references to Big E obliterating Horus's soul - but I'm a little dismayed that I cannot find a direct, irrefutable reference. I know this 'soul destroyed' thing came from somewhere; I'm trying to find the source where it says so, plain as day. Please help, if you know of a source! CWC Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245067-horus-soul-destroyed/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reyner Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 It's in the Collected Visions isn't it? The Emperor utterly destroys Horus - physically and spiritually. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245067-horus-soul-destroyed/#findComment-2963542 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dosjetka Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 It's in the Collected Visions isn't it? The Emperor utterly destroys Horus - physically and spiritually. It is not implicitly stated that, but because they were fighting on both levels and both had to be destroyed to deny the Dark Gods a chance of getting Horus back and how it is written in the Collected Visions, it's safe to assume that he was completely and utterly destroyed both in the material realm and the Warp. Ludovic Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245067-horus-soul-destroyed/#findComment-2963550 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustermaker Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 I thought the reason Big E destroyed his soul was to spare him from Chaos in the end, because he still loved him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245067-horus-soul-destroyed/#findComment-2963557 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billuriye Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 I thought the reason Big E destroyed his soul was to spare him from Chaos in the end, because he still loved him. Emperor is not type of guy with paternal love. I'm not saying he didn't love Horus but love is no factor in his decisions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245067-horus-soul-destroyed/#findComment-2963580 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Horus wasn't physically destroyed, although his soul was. His body remained... if you'll remember, Emperor's Children stole it and Fabius attempted to clone Horus (which resulted in a huge war in the Eye). After that, Abbaddon had Horus' body destroyed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245067-horus-soul-destroyed/#findComment-2963636 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dosjetka Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Horus wasn't physically destroyed, although his soul was. His body remained... if you'll remember, Emperor's Children stole it and Fabius attempted to clone Horus (which resulted in a huge war in the Eye). After that, Abbaddon had Horus' body destroyed. True that, I had forgotten about it :P Cheers for picking up on that though :) Ludovic Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245067-horus-soul-destroyed/#findComment-2963644 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CantonWC Posted January 10, 2012 Author Share Posted January 10, 2012 Thanks... I suppose this is good enough. Thank you, one and all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245067-horus-soul-destroyed/#findComment-2963701 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dosjetka Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Thanks... I suppose this is good enough. Thank you, one and all. That's what we're here for :) Ludovic Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245067-horus-soul-destroyed/#findComment-2963703 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legionator Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 I thought the reason Big E destroyed his soul was to spare him from Chaos in the end, because he still loved him. Emperor is not type of guy with paternal love. I'm not saying he didn't love Horus but love is no factor in his decisions. If love wasn't a factor in his decisions, he would have killed Horus single handedly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245067-horus-soul-destroyed/#findComment-2963935 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tezzy Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 There's two conflicting stories on this. First in collected visions it says that as the Ruinous Powers surrender their influence on Horus and retreat the from the battle, the Emperor sees Horus as he was, the pure son he always knew. It says since the Emperor knows he's more or less :cussed that he'd like to leave Horus alive now he's uncorrupted but he knows that he won't be able to resist Chaos a second time and that time around there'd be no Big E to save him so he needs to outright destroy him to rule out the chance of this happening again. That version of events jars with the story of how Abbadon became Warmaster though. If the Emperor destroyed Horus on a physical, psychic and spiritual level then how did the Despoiler steal Horus' lightening claw and how did he later destroy his body himself? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245067-horus-soul-destroyed/#findComment-2964008 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CantonWC Posted January 11, 2012 Author Share Posted January 11, 2012 Well, Horus was killed, but his body appeared to be mostly intact. When Abaddon led the counterattack to recover Horus's body he yoinked the Talon of Horus - might as well use it since Horus has no more need for it. Later on Horus's body was stolen by the Emperor's Children and used to make at least one clone of Horus as part of their silly science experiments. Abaddon didn't like that, so he led an attack and destroyed both the clone and the original body. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245067-horus-soul-destroyed/#findComment-2964097 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxjace Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 why did abbadon destroy the clone and why again was he opposed to having another horus, i mean. he did kindave almost destroy the imperium and abbadon keeps only going on his black crusades that never get past cadia. probably daddy issues. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245067-horus-soul-destroyed/#findComment-2964103 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DinoDoc Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 why did abbadon destroy the clone and why again was he opposed to having another horus, i mean. he did kindave almost destroy the imperium and abbadon keeps only going on his black crusades that never get past cadia."Horus was weak. Horus was a fool. He had the whole galaxy within his grasp and he let it slip away." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245067-horus-soul-destroyed/#findComment-2964113 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxjace Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 why did abbadon destroy the clone and why again was he opposed to having another horus, i mean. he did kindave almost destroy the imperium and abbadon keeps only going on his black crusades that never get past cadia."Horus was weak. Horus was a fool. He had the whole galaxy within his grasp and he let it slip away." daddy issues. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245067-horus-soul-destroyed/#findComment-2964117 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dosjetka Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 daddy issues. :lol: Anyway, back on-topic, I think he didn't like Horus back because he effectively had the control of the whole Legion. Who in their right mind would give that up? Ludovic Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245067-horus-soul-destroyed/#findComment-2964127 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salisbury Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Anyway, back on-topic, I think he didn't like Horus back because he effectively had the control of the whole Legion. Who in their right mind would give that up? Ludovic What he said. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245067-horus-soul-destroyed/#findComment-2965087 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khestra the Unbeheld Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Back in 'The Day' (aka Chaos 3.5), I used to tool around with the notion that the Emperor blasted Horus out of his body, which remained behind, basically taking the battle to the purely psychic realm of the Warp, and that the reason the Emperor has been sitting on his golden toilet for 10K+ years and not healing up is that he's still fighting Horus in the Warp, preventing Horus from being resurrected via daemonhood in the same fashion as Angron was after Armageddon. Obviously, this isn't how things actually are, but I still think back fondly to that little braingasm of mine. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245067-horus-soul-destroyed/#findComment-2965162 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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