Dosjetka Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Space kept for final version (if there ever is one :lol:). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245102-praetors-of-denzarr/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dosjetka Posted January 11, 2012 Author Share Posted January 11, 2012 Well, as I deleted the fluff I had already done for them in the old thread by mistake, I have to start over again :lol: (The reason why I'm starting over again on these chaps is because other people have invested their time and energy into them too, so why let that go to waste?) From what I remember, they were to be the following things: Believers that the Emperor is indeed a god. I've got some ideas on that, so I'll put them down in a later post. Not sure which gene-seed. Maybe Dorn. They protect the Denzarr sub-sector, where they also recruit their aspirants. They are stalwart defenders of their beliefs. No preferred combat style (not for the moment that is). Not much, but I will build on this and I'll get cracking right now on some more stuff for my Praetors. Cheers for looking ^_^ Ludovic Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245102-praetors-of-denzarr/#findComment-2964158 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dosjetka Posted January 11, 2012 Author Share Posted January 11, 2012 So, now, down to business. I'm not sure about the colour scheme to be honest, I may go with a blue colour scheme, but maybe not. I'm not sure. As for beliefs, I'm going to go with something like this: The Praetors fought valiantly to defend their domain during the bloody wars of the Age of Apostasy. Any strike force sent by Vandire to try and take over the sub-sector was met with the overwhelming force of the Praetors' powerful fleet. The ship's guns ripped apart the frail vessels of the Frateris Templar or boarded by the Astartes of the Chapter and gutted from the inside. Due to these onslaughts, when Thor pushed for Terra, amassing followers in the millions, the Praetors joined the saint's forces. After the bloody push for Terra and the subsequent victory of Thor's forces over Vandire's on the holy planet, the Praetors withdrew their forces from Segmentum Solar and prepared themselves for the long voyage home. Even though the Praetors had suffered grevious losses, it was within their minds and souls that change was wrought. The witnessing of Thor's rise and victory over corruption and damnation had a profound effect on a number of the Praetors. They saw him as an envoy of the Emperor, a saint, a reincarnation of a fraction of the Emperor's divine will. While the majority of the Chapter stayed loyal to the Chapter Cult that was passed down through the generations, a number of the Praetors had their beliefs shifted and were now part of the Imperial Cult. However, the lessons learnt during the Age of Apostasy were never forgotten and even though they have very similar beliefs, the Chapter distances itself from the Ecclesiarchy and its minions for fear that they might become embroiled in another bout of widespread corruption. The above text is quite shoddy and badly-written, but I hope you get the general idea of what I would like. If not, then indicate it in a comment below and I'll try and re-write this sooner rather than later :D Ludovic Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245102-praetors-of-denzarr/#findComment-2964173 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allfather1 Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 So here I am back again with another, different version of my IA for the Praetors of Denzarr. I’m taking a different approach on this IA (especially due to reading a few bits of the Octaguide) and so here is the fruit of my thoughts! What I want with this IA: I would like the reader to like this Chapter. I want it to be believable and not OTT. I want this Chapter to have its own little quirks that really make it unique in its own way. I would like to be able to pull off a Ultramarine successor Chapter without going too cheesy and “Oh, we are the best because we are the sons of Papa Smurf”. I want the Astartes of this Chapter to stay away from vehicles and be infantry-based, a bit like GHY’s Blazing Sons (IIRC) (why? Because I think it’s cool). I also want to come up with a cool way of believing in the God-Emperor, something different from the rest of the Imperium but close enough not to cause any problems with other Imperial organisations. All in all, I want a Chapter that I like and that I can feel comfortable playing with and talking about and a something I can be proud of. Description of the “lambda” Praetor of Denzarr: modest but firm/resolute, religious, humane/compassionate but also stubborn in his beliefs and way of thinking. Takes time to analyse situations. Rarely acts on impulse. Quiet and withdrawn. Only speaks when necessary or asked to. Other titbits: I have a colour scheme for these chaps (thanks again Ace!) which (I think) really reflects how I want them to be. Not too shouty/loud/bright. It is quartered, which to me reflects the fact that they have a complex way of thinking/doing things. I also have a name for them, but I’m not sure if Denzarr is a sector, sub-sector, system, planet or something else. I think I will place them at the rim of the galaxy (probably Segmentum Tempestus) as I don’t want to put them anywhere “centre-stage” (ie. Near Macragge, Terra, Baal, Eye of Terror, etc…). That’s all for now, please bear with me though, as I’ll add to this very soon! Combat Doctrine: Specialise in boarding actions and close-quarter fighting. Little use of big guns. Dug this up from your previous thread. QUOTE The Praetors fought valiantly to defend their domain during the bloody wars of the Age of Apostasy. Any strike force sent by Vandire to try and take over the sub-sector was met with the overwhelming force of the Praetors' powerful fleet. The ship's guns ripped apart the frail vessels of the Frateris Templar or boarded by the Astartes of the Chapter and gutted from the inside. Due to these onslaughts, when Thor pushed for Terra, amassing followers in the millions, the Praetors joined the saint's forces. After the bloody push for Terra and the subsequent victory of Thor's forces over Vandire's on the holy planet, the Praetors withdrew their forces from Segmentum Solar and prepared themselves for the long voyage home. Even though the Praetors had suffered grevious losses, it was within their minds and souls that change was wrought. The witnessing of Thor's rise and victory over corruption and damnation had a profound effect on a number of the Praetors. They saw him as an envoy of the Emperor, a saint, a reincarnation of a fraction of the Emperor's divine will. While the majority of the Chapter stayed loyal to the Chapter Cult that was passed down through the generations, a number of the Praetors had their beliefs shifted and were now part of the Imperial Cult. However, the lessons learnt during the Age of Apostasy were never forgotten and even though they have very similar beliefs, the Chapter distances itself from the Ecclesiarchy and its minions for fear that they might become embroiled in another bout of widespread corruption. I like it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245102-praetors-of-denzarr/#findComment-2964378 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Debonair Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 So, now, down to business. I'm not sure about the colour scheme to be honest, I may go with a blue colour scheme, but maybe not. I'm not sure. Ah, the call to arms! :lol: *Puts on Heraldry Dept. Hat* EDIT: Purging the unworthy - back soon with more schemes. The hex code for that main blue is #8bb9dd; it's a custom one that's quite close to both Shadow Grey and Ice Blue. If they don't shout 'Praetors of Denzarr!' or if you'd prefer another colour, I'll throw something else together. Just say the word! :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245102-praetors-of-denzarr/#findComment-2965435 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dosjetka Posted January 12, 2012 Author Share Posted January 12, 2012 Cheers Ace, but I'm not keen on any of the colour schemes, sorry. Ludovic Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245102-praetors-of-denzarr/#findComment-2965471 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Debonair Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Cheers Ace, but I'm not keen on any of the colour schemes, sorry. Ludovic *puts Heraldry Dept. Goggles on too* Time to get serious, then. ;) If I'm honest I never really figured these guys for a blue colour. ;) I don't think any of these will be spot-on; but if any of them (or a combination thereof) are close to the mark I can work out something a bit better from there. Any of them look like Praetors of Denzarr to you? EDIT: Tidying up - don't need these images taking up space anymore. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245102-praetors-of-denzarr/#findComment-2965479 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dosjetka Posted January 12, 2012 Author Share Posted January 12, 2012 The 1st and the 3rd are great. But I can't decide between the two. Maybe the 3rd? Ludovic Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245102-praetors-of-denzarr/#findComment-2965490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Debonair Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 The 1st and the 3rd are great. But I can't decide between the two. Maybe the 3rd? D'you want me to try some more schemes using the colours from number 1 and number 3, see if any of them really shout at you? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245102-praetors-of-denzarr/#findComment-2965684 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dosjetka Posted January 12, 2012 Author Share Posted January 12, 2012 D'you want me to try some more schemes using the colours from number 1 and number 3, see if any of them really shout at you? Well you're already doing an ace job (pun intended), but golly would I be happy if you did :) Cheers Ace! Ludovic Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245102-praetors-of-denzarr/#findComment-2965777 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dosjetka Posted January 13, 2012 Author Share Posted January 13, 2012 Allfather1: I didn't realise that I hadn't replied to your post ;) Sorry about that! Cheers for picking up those things, but after thinking it through, I think I'm not going to include the ship-boarding speciality. This time though I'm not sure if I'll stay with the Ultramarines route. Maybe it's the most versatile one out there though, so I may just stick to it. Description of the “lambda” Praetor of Denzarr: modest but firm/resolute, religious, humane/compassionate but also stubborn in his beliefs and way of thinking. Takes time to analyse situations. Rarely acts on impulse. Quiet and withdrawn. Only speaks when necessary or asked to. I'll stick to this though. And for the colour scheme, we shall see what Ace thinks up :) So, I'll try and get a rough draft up on Monday or Tuesday with all the things I've said reorganised and some new stuff too (hopefully)! Ludovic Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245102-praetors-of-denzarr/#findComment-2966187 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Debonair Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 And for the colour scheme, we shall see what Ace thinks up ;) EDIT: I'll be honest, in retrospect I'm not actually sure that the Praetors would go for a quartered scheme. Are they proud enough of their heraldry to go for something 'flashy' like that? EDIT EDIT: Return to the drawing board that spawned thee, quartered scheme! :cuss Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245102-praetors-of-denzarr/#findComment-2966277 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dosjetka Posted January 13, 2012 Author Share Posted January 13, 2012 I actually prefer the first "earthy" scheme to this one. As for the blue one, I think I'll ditch it. But would you have any other "earthy" colour schemes to suggest? (I don't want you to waste your time though ^_^) Cheers, Ludovic Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245102-praetors-of-denzarr/#findComment-2966381 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CantonWC Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 I like the first two schemes rather than the more recent ones. Believers that the Emperor is indeed a god. I've got some ideas on that, so I'll put them down in a later post. How did it come about? I think it's been implied in some places that younger Foundings are more likely to adopt "God-Emperor" beliefs than older Chapters. They protect the Denzarr sub-sector, where they also recruit their aspirants. Just a sub-sector? Maybe they consider it more of a home. Considering how vast the galaxy is, an individual Chapter's "area of jurisdiction" is going to be correspondingly huge. The witnessing of Thor's rise and victory over corruption and damnation had a profound effect on a number of the Praetors. They saw him as an envoy of the Emperor, a saint, a reincarnation of a fraction of the Emperor's divine will. While the majority of the Chapter stayed loyal to the Chapter Cult that was passed down through the generations, a number of the Praetors had their beliefs shifted and were now part of the Imperial Cult. Ah I see. The Praetors fought valiantly to defend their domain during the bloody wars of the Age of Apostasy. Any strike force sent by Vandire to try and take over the sub-sector was met with the overwhelming force of the Praetors' powerful fleet. The ship's guns ripped apart the frail vessels of the Frateris Templar or boarded by the Astartes of the Chapter and gutted from the inside. I'm thinking this would be one of the major defining points in your history. I think most Astartes Chapters were generally neutral during the Age of Apostasy/Reign of Blood. I think the timing of a rebellion is important - that is, whether they rebelled along with the rest of the Astartes or before, and then being labelled "traitors" by the corrupt regime. That may affect later perceptions of the Chapter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245102-praetors-of-denzarr/#findComment-2966747 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Debonair Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 I actually prefer the first "earthy" scheme to this one. As for the blue one, I think I'll ditch it. But would you have any other "earthy" colour schemes to suggest? Earthy, eh? I do like combining browns - it's a surprisingly effective scheme for marines. I'm personally pretty pleased with the second one, but I don't know if it's right for this chapter. Enough waffle - here's the alternatives: EDIT: Cleaning up un-needed images. Please leave the Liber as you would wish to find it. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245102-praetors-of-denzarr/#findComment-2966788 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CantonWC Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 I vote for the lower left. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245102-praetors-of-denzarr/#findComment-2966850 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Apostle Thirst Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 I vote for the lower left. As do I Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245102-praetors-of-denzarr/#findComment-2966902 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Thirded! <_< Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245102-praetors-of-denzarr/#findComment-2966910 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dosjetka Posted January 14, 2012 Author Share Posted January 14, 2012 Any thoughts about this one? Ace: None save the top right one really appeal to me, but the top right one is too dark for the Praetors I think. However, I really appreciate the time and effort you put into this ;) Ludovic Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245102-praetors-of-denzarr/#findComment-2967034 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 It's good. If you want to use that one, I think it'd work well. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245102-praetors-of-denzarr/#findComment-2967163 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Debonair Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Ace: None save the top right one really appeal to me, but the top right one is too dark for the Praetors I think. However, I really appreciate the time and effort you put into this :wacko: Ludovic The scheme you've done is much better, actually. It's earthy without being too gritty, and the bone-coloured bits communicate that certain degree of stubborn pride I can easily picture the Praetors having. Very, very nice. :) EDIT: If anyone wants to use any of the schemes I've suggested on this topic for a chapter, feel free to do so. But be quick, because I'll get rid of the pics once Ludo's made his final decision regarding schemes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245102-praetors-of-denzarr/#findComment-2967313 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dosjetka Posted January 14, 2012 Author Share Posted January 14, 2012 Olisredan: I'm glad you like it :) Ace: Well I thank you most greatly for the praise, it is most appreciated ^_^ And for the scheme, I'll stick to the one I came up with! Ludovic Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245102-praetors-of-denzarr/#findComment-2967321 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CantonWC Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 I like the new one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245102-praetors-of-denzarr/#findComment-2967370 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dosjetka Posted January 15, 2012 Author Share Posted January 15, 2012 I like the new one. Cheers ;) And apologies for not replying to your comments before: I did see them but I just forgot to reply :D I'll have another look at them and then reply soon! Ludovic Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245102-praetors-of-denzarr/#findComment-2967594 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Debonair Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Ace: Well I thank you most greatly for the praise, it is most appreciated ^_^ And for the scheme, I'll stick to the one I came up with! Fine choice. I'll just clean up the leftover pics so as to save some space. ^_^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245102-praetors-of-denzarr/#findComment-2967693 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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