Stormshadow Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Hello! I am primarily a GK and regular Marines Player. But because I love small specialist army’s I thought I would give Logan Wing a try. Ok, it may have something to do with me being a beer drinking, sword fighting, knife throwing, axe shopping Viking swede as well ;). So what is some good solid advice for a new Logan Wing player? I personally love to play with Deathstars, are Wolf Guard Deathstars any god? Any and all advice would be greatly appreciated! My thoughts on a list that I think would fit me would be as follows. HQ: Logan. Njarl. Runepriest: Terminator Armor, chooser of the slain, Living Lightning, Murderess hurricane Battle leader: combi-melta, Frost Blade, saga of the hunter. Troops: Wolf guards Terminators x5: Arjax, 1x Cyclone, 1x Storm Shield and Chain Fist, 1x Stormshield, 1x combi-melta Wolf Claw. Wolf Guards x5: 1x Terminator Armor and Cyclone. Wolf Guards x5: 5x Combi-Plasma, Drop pod Wolf Guards x5: 5x Combi-Melta, Drop pod. One Nasty blob that slowly advances while popping rhinos, one troop choice to hold the home objective while still giving fire support, and two precision squads that can take objectives, draw fire, kill a Land Raider or a terminator squad in one shooting faze. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245372-new-to-space-wolves/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 I would make a couple of suggestions : 1. Your WGBL - give him a Wolf Claw instead of a Frost Blade. A re-rolling Str4 wounds better than a Str 5, it will also give you the option to re-roll hits if needed and save you 5 points. The primary reason to take a FW over a WC is for the +1A when paired with another CCW which you don't have. 2. Why are you giving him SotH? Is it just for the +1 Cover save from Stealth? 3. I assume the three "WG X5" squads are Power Armor? If so - you would be better off fielding Grey Hunter squads for the two without TDA. They would cost fewer points, and the special weapon would be better and less expensive than 5 Combi-s. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245372-new-to-space-wolves/#findComment-2968362 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forté Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Don't take this the wrong way but.... I'm bored of Logan wing, Draigowing, everyotherplaytestedtofineperfectionnetlistwing armies. On another note... WELCOME TO THE FANG. Leave the GK anal rod at the door and enjoy some ale, elk and banter. Oh, and this ones free.. *plants a punch square in Stormshadow's face knocking him over the stool behind him* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245372-new-to-space-wolves/#findComment-2968446 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arez Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 HQ: Logan. Runepriest: Terminator Armor, chooser of the slain, Living Lightning, Murderess hurricane Battle leader: combi-melta, Wolf Claw, saga of the hunter. Troops: Wolf guards Terminators x5: Arjax, 1x Cyclone, 1x Storm Shield and Chain Fist, 1x Stormshield, 1x combi-melta Wolf Claw. Wolf Guards Terminators x5: Cyclone. Wolf Guards Terminators x5: 5x Combi-Plasma, Drop pod Wolf Guards Terminators x5: 5x Combi-Melta, Drop pod. List fixed,haven't used combi weapons so i didnt touch those. Welcome to the Fang!grab an ale and list to the tales of the older Wolves Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245372-new-to-space-wolves/#findComment-2968483 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeatGrinder Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Put your deathstar squad in a crusader. I believe the full squad of TWC with Wolf lord is out other deathstar unit, but I've never used them myself. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245372-new-to-space-wolves/#findComment-2968492 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Dammit Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 A unit of TWM with decked out lord used to eat army's but no loner after BA, DE & GK, and the fact that people learned to throw the same amount of points at it to stop it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245372-new-to-space-wolves/#findComment-2968503 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormshadow Posted January 16, 2012 Author Share Posted January 16, 2012 @Forte *Stands up and feels jaw * “Yes it was, but I don’t think you will like the price of the next one” *places the Master Crafted, Digitally enhanced, thrice blessed, Force imbued, Thunder Hammer “Joten Bane” on the counter while ordering two ales.* @ MeatGrinder. My thought was that all the IC’s would join Arjax’s squad and fir 2 missiles and 2 D6 Living lightning as they move up with improved cover. A transport would not allow them to do that… That does not mean a land raider wouldn’t be better though… I pass on the TWC thou, they have too few special weapons. Only two of them can have a Power fist ore wolf claw right? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245372-new-to-space-wolves/#findComment-2968542 Share on other sites More sharing options...
commander alexander Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Logan with Long Fangs in Drop pod is also Deathstar worthy. Logan, Long Fang Unit (6models), (5) Multi-melta, Drop pod = 450 points The look on your opponents face when that touches down, Priceless. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245372-new-to-space-wolves/#findComment-2968647 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar_Blackmane Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Best SW deathstar I've seen so far was: TW-Lord with Frostblade/Wolf Claw, Storm Shield, 2+ armour, tail talisman, tooth necklace and either Warrior Born or Bear 4x TWC with 1 hammer/BP, 1 CCW/BP, 1 BP/storm shield and 1 Bolter(/or CCW/BP + Bombs). Effective in CC, cheap for a deathstar (around 460 pts.) and ways more effective than any LR+content for a similar price. And they can be in CC turn 2 and WON'T be totally crippled when their steel coffin blows up in your deployment zone... Deathstars are great... as long as they won't mean an auto lose when you've just lost the unit because you've spent more than 50% of your points for it... @Alexander: And you'll kill 2 enemy vehicles at best and then you'll either get shot to pieces or get assaulted by CC-specialists... Not to mention that you'll be pretty much forced to deploy them turn 1 in each and every game, even if you play against armies which lack vehicles (eg tyranids) as you don't want to have such a fragile and short ranged unit footslogging across the field. Of course it's great against Mech forces, but compared to a "good" deathstar an "awesome" deathstar should be able to play it's role against anything you might face. After all you're building your list around it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245372-new-to-space-wolves/#findComment-2968695 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Brother 92 Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 @Ragnar_Blackmane -> I'm figuring you mean that his TWL should take either Frost Blade OR Wolf Claw and SS - he can't take all 3 - if that was what you meant then fair enough - just wanted to clear it up. Also the key problem with this deathstar - if you come up against the likes of DE or Eldar and they spam the likes of Dark Lances/Splinter Cannons for DE or Bright Lances/Starcannons for Eldar. Eldar - you're looking at lots of fire that will ignore the riders SV and wipe them out - they may have a combined mass of 11 Wounds - but for the points cost = 540pts (TWL with FB/SS, Necklace, Talisman, RA and SoTWB + 4x TWC with 3x BP, 1x SS, 1x TH, 1x BG and 2x MBs) - Eldar can fit out = 2x 10 Guardians + Starcannon (105pts per = 210), 2 Falcons with Pulse Laser/Starcannon/Twin-Shuriken Catapults and still buy a Support Platform with a D-Cannon = full total 540 Points and 5 AP2 shots (4 with 36" 2 Shots and 1 with G24" Blast) - plus the 2 Pulse Lasers (48" S8 AP2). Dark Eldar = 3 Ravagers 2 with Disintegrator Cannons, 1 with Dark Lances = 315pts, 3x 3 Trueborn each with 2 Splinter Cannons = 168pts total = 483 Points (leaving 57 Points) - and that's with 9 AP2 Shots and 12/18 AP5 Poisoned (4+ Wounding) Shots - all those shots are 36" - meaning that by turn 2 they could devastate the TWC. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245372-new-to-space-wolves/#findComment-2969682 Share on other sites More sharing options...
commander alexander Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Well I actually prefer Plasmacannons, but I put Multi-meltas because most people seem to like those better :) . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245372-new-to-space-wolves/#findComment-2969760 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Brother 92 Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 I wasn't meaning it as an anti - merely showing what two similar forces can produce - admittedly for them the key downside is ofcourse it's 4-5 unit choices taken out so that's kinda good. I have played the melta/logan drop before and found it works quite well depending on the opponent - I've seen a logan/heavy bolter/TDAWG (with AC/SS) that was a beast vs an ork horde army. It would be interesting to see how a PC/Logan Drop would work. Keep going brother :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245372-new-to-space-wolves/#findComment-2969834 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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