SeattleDV8 Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Lots and lots of new FAQ's just came out. We have this Page 27 – Ravenwing Combat Squads, second paragraphChange to “Much like Combat squads, the squadron’s Attack Bike and Land Speeder are purchased together with the squadron and then deployed at the same time as the squadron’s bikes, but from then on, they always operate as completely independent units of one model.” So no more scoring speeders and the attack bike only scores if taken as a troop. Also a clear answer to can units coming in from reserve Combat Squad. Q: When a unit of 10 Space Marines with the CombatSquad special rule arrives from reserve as two combat squads, can they move on from, or Deep Strike onto, two different locations? (p23) A: Yes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245392-new-faqs/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tengo Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 This is a sad day for the Ravenwing. Do you have the source for the FAQs? is this just from one of the FAQs that came with the leaked '6th ed. rules'? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245392-new-faqs/#findComment-2968517 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 No, this is a new FAQ on the GW website. Most FAQs got an official update. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245392-new-faqs/#findComment-2968518 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HJL Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Thats sad, although it was slightly fraudulant that they were ever scoring... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245392-new-faqs/#findComment-2968681 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WatchCaptainAzrael Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 They could've been good people and bumped up our masters' WS by 1 point to make up for it... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245392-new-faqs/#findComment-2968690 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Lucifer Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 It was good while it lasted. Kudos for them for finally clearing it up, independently of the outcome for us. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245392-new-faqs/#findComment-2968734 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt_Reaper Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Oh look, mindworm and by extension Ezekiel, are now even more pointless. I doubt any special character other than Belial (maybe Sammael) are worth running. They can give us new storm shields and cyclone missile launchers, but I don't see the point when our Special Characters aren't worth the ink used for their entry. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245392-new-faqs/#findComment-2968867 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Droma Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Honestly it's about time that was brought in line with everything else. The less wacky scoring rules there are the better IMO. Also if we're being honest who spent the points on that land speeder anyway after the typhoon update FAQ came out? This new rule affects the attack bike more often than the speeder I think. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245392-new-faqs/#findComment-2968868 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HsojVvad Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Can anyone explain to me why Ravenwing Attack Speeders are not scoring no more? What am I not seeing? I don't see it saying "not scoring". Is this GW logic that you have to read between the lines? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245392-new-faqs/#findComment-2968944 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Lucifer Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 They changed the wording and removed "scoring" from the paragraph. Now just reads independent units of one model. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245392-new-faqs/#findComment-2968958 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warp Angel Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Just because it acts as an independent unit doesn't change the fact that its a troops choice in your army. I agree with the above, I'm not seeing the change from the scoring ruling. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245392-new-faqs/#findComment-2968959 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tengo Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Just because it acts as an independent unit doesn't change the fact that its a troops choice in your army. I agree with the above, I'm not seeing the change from the scoring ruling. It states in the rulebook that vehicles cannot score, the codex labels the single attack bike and the landspeeder when a full ravenwing attack squad at full complment was taken as a combat squad; as 'independent scoring units' this contradicted and overruled the rulebook, and made them scoring units. The vital word 'scoring' has been removed in the recent FAQ update, and now there is no rule saying that the individual attack bike and landspeeder can score even though they are vehicles. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245392-new-faqs/#findComment-2968968 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Immolator Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Me is a sad panda <_< Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245392-new-faqs/#findComment-2968996 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isiah Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Just because it acts as an independent unit doesn't change the fact that its a troops choice in your army. I agree with the above, I'm not seeing the change from the scoring ruling. Basically it means RAS Land Speeders are now never scoring, and Attack Bikes are scoring only in the Troops slot. Previously by quirk or purpose, an RAS Speeder and Attack Bike were always scoring whether they were in a Fast Attack or Troop slot. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245392-new-faqs/#findComment-2969001 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vexicus Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 but the attack bike isnt a vehicle is it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245392-new-faqs/#findComment-2969003 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isiah Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 but the attack bike isnt a vehicle is it? No you're right it isn't it's as a 'Bike' in terms of rules. Vehicles don't score in 5th anyway – so I guess that's why after several years, GW have woken up to the fact that our RAS speeder could score but shouldn't :tu:. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245392-new-faqs/#findComment-2969005 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WatchCaptainAzrael Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 but the attack bike isnt a vehicle is it? No you're right it isn't it's as a 'Bike' in terms of rules. Vehicles don't score in 5th anyway – so I guess that's why after several years, GW have woken up to the fact that our RAS speeder could score but shouldn't :tu:. Some of our ICs alo have WS5 and shouldn't, I don't know why the double standards. :) Not to mention unit costs.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245392-new-faqs/#findComment-2969008 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isiah Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 That's actually a very good point on ICs WatchCaptainAzrael, so keep it quiet :tu:. But yes the points thing is annoying too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245392-new-faqs/#findComment-2969011 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alys Dwr Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Some of our ICs alo have WS5 and shouldn't, I don't know why the double standards. :) Every time somebody says something like this, GW is watching and includes it in the next FAQ update... so shuuuuush :tu: Al Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245392-new-faqs/#findComment-2969013 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Droma Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Some of our ICs alo have WS5 and shouldn't, I don't know why the double standards. :) Every time somebody says something like this, GW is watching and includes it in the next FAQ update... so shuuuuush :tu: Al A lot of our IC's and special characters should be WS6 and aren't. I'll take the trade if they keep it fair. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245392-new-faqs/#findComment-2969018 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt_Reaper Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 A lot of our Characters in general aren't even there! I mean, who is this Asmodai guy anyway? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245392-new-faqs/#findComment-2969034 Share on other sites More sharing options...
templarphoenix Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 A lot of our Characters in general aren't even there! I mean, who is this Asmodai guy anyway? He's doing secret mission, it's secret. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245392-new-faqs/#findComment-2969129 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pueriexdeus Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 In the latest FAQ. Some confusion regarding Combat Squads and being in reserves. Q: Can you take a Drop Pod with a 10-man squad and then put a combat squad in it, deploying the other combat squad on the table, or leave it in reserve but not in the Drop Pod? (p69) A: No, because squads that are placed in reserve may not break down into combat squads. OK, so a Squad placed in reserve can not be broken into Combat Squads... Q: When a unit of 10 Space Marines with the Combat Squad special rule arrives from reserve as two combat squads, can they move on from, or Deep Strike onto, two different locations? (p51) A: Yes. OK, so a Squad in Reserve can be broken down into Combat Squads... Which one is it??? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245392-new-faqs/#findComment-2969179 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pueriexdeus Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Some of our ICs alo have WS5 and shouldn't, I don't know why the double standards. :P Every time somebody says something like this, GW is watching and includes it in the next FAQ update... so shuuuuush :o Al A lot of our IC's and special characters should be WS6 and aren't. I'll take the trade if they keep it fair. Apparently that would not be fair to the rest of the Space Marine community. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245392-new-faqs/#findComment-2969182 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ValourousHeart Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 In the latest FAQ. Some confusion regarding Combat Squads and being in reserves. Q: Can you take a Drop Pod with a 10-man squad and then put a combat squad in it, deploying the other combat squad on the table, or leave it in reserve but not in the Drop Pod? (p69) A: No, because squads that are placed in reserve may not break down into combat squads. OK, so a Squad placed in reserve can not be broken into Combat Squads... Q: When a unit of 10 Space Marines with the Combat Squad special rule arrives from reserve as two combat squads, can they move on from, or Deep Strike onto, two different locations? (p51) A: Yes. OK, so a Squad in Reserve can be broken down into Combat Squads... Which one is it??? You can't combat squad while in reserve... but you can once you hit the table. So this simply means that fluff wise the entire squad is together before they deploy... and after deployment the sergeant issues the duty assignments, and sends the corporal off with the second team. Game wise it means that either the entire squad is in the pod or not... and once they hit the table they can break apart into combat squads. For TDA and assault squads they are all held in reserves, come on at the same time (single roll), but can be deep struck separately or walk on from different points of the board edge. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245392-new-faqs/#findComment-2969194 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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