What do y'all think. The Fallen.

[Komodo]

I can't remember the source, but I read somewhere, that ultramarines are allowed to have wifes and children, so they can procreate (I can't find why they can't, because noone cuts their balls off according to the fluff about SM creation).

 

As for the simple peaceful life, I guess, not all of the brothers read "Deathwing". 5 survivors abandon their duty and their suit of armor painted with ashes in order to make their tribes strong again in order to make a their homeplanet a good recruitment source as it was before genestealer infestation. Really enjoyed reading the story. ;)

[Brother Immolator]

I can't remember the source, but I read somewhere, that ultramarines are allowed to have wifes and children, so they can procreate (I can't find why they can't, because noone cuts their balls off according to the fluff about SM creation).

 

As for the simple peaceful life, I guess, not all of the brothers read "Deathwing". 5 survivors abandon their duty and their suit of armor painted with ashes in order to make their tribes strong again in order to make a their homeplanet a good recruitment source as it was before genestealer infestation. Really enjoyed reading the story. :D

 

 

For the first i have to say that its extremely unlikely,at least i dont have seen anything of the sort.And what would have been the purpose of the geeneseed if such a thing was possible?And what is the child?Marine or human?

 

As for the second,i too remember that some survivors gathered the people and refounded their tribes.However this has been retired in the realm of myth,we dont know whether the entire story is true or not.Though judging by the colour scheme change in the armor i believe it is true.

[WatchCaptainAzrael]

That's also because the Dark Angels are actually very protective of their recruiting worlds. :D

 

That said, can I convince you to look for the source of the Ultras' marital relationships? GW might've had it retconned or something.

[Brother Immolator]

That's also because the Dark Angels are actually very protective of their recruiting worlds. ^_^

 

That said, can I convince you to look for the source of the Ultras' marital relationships? GW might've had it retconned or something.

 

OFC i aint no hardhead,any references?

[Tengo]

Makes sort of sense but if the fallen is truly fallen then why bother with a protege? Hes essentially immortal. Maybe the kid is homeless and is obessed with the outcast marine/savior?

 

Because as a warrior, he knows there will be a day when he dies in battle, He also knows that somewhere, the dark angels are out there, and they won't be too happy about the schism. Maybe he's being driven slightly mad by the thought that one day the dark angels will come for him and it will all be over. Maybe he's raised a militia, and he needs help with all the duties of running a settlement and an army. It's almost like he wants to create a primarch for the little empire he's carved out for himself. He sees potential in the young boy, and wants to shape him in his own image, he just wants an apprentice, something he can be proud of, and a companion, the perfect cohort to share his glories with.

 

I think it's important to make it come evident that the fallen's reasons for adopting a family come from vanity, not loneliness or compassion for others...

[WatchCaptainAzrael]

That's also because the Dark Angels are actually very protective of their recruiting worlds. ;)

 

That said, can I convince you to look for the source of the Ultras' marital relationships? GW might've had it retconned or something.

 

OFC i aint no hardhead,any references?

I meant the poster before you. We replied to the same post. :lol:

[Brother Degas]

Sorry Tengo, I wasnt too clear (as usual), I meant if the fallen is truely fallen, i.e. corrupted by Chaos and 110% evil hes not going to care about anything apart from pleasing the relevant god and I doubt that would include a protege.

 

I think its a better angel to make him an "innocent/loyalist" caught in the fall and trying to repent by passing on the teachings of the lion to a village or make him a guilt ridden outcast living in a cave, a thing of myth to local humans until a bandit/warlord attack etc

[Tengo]

Sorry Tengo, I wasnt too clear (as usual), I meant if the fallen is truely fallen, i.e. corrupted by Chaos and 110% evil hes not going to care about anything apart from pleasing the relevant god and I doubt that would include a protege.

 

I think its a better angel to make him an "innocent/loyalist" caught in the fall and trying to repent by passing on the teachings of the lion to a village or make him a guilt ridden outcast living in a cave, a thing of myth to local humans until a bandit/warlord attack etc

 

 

There's no reason to assume that a fallen dark angel would be under the influence of chaos, most fallen aren't corrupted by chaos.

Alot of the 'treacherous' marines were just following orders, chances are he doesn't really know what happened during the fall of Caliban, and might not have even realised that he betrayed his legion, as far as he was concerned he was just following orders, for the good of the Dark Angels.

 

Ofcourse the fact that he was able to fire on his brothers, despite who the order came from shows that he must be lacking in some sort of morality and loyalty, he must have some undesirable elements to his personality, such as vanity or false pride.

 

He wouldn't want a protege to satisfy the chaos gods, indeed he may very well be entirely abhorrent of the ruinous powers, he would want a protege to help him fill his own vain and selfish ambitions. It's like Dr. Evil from the Austin Powers movies, he just wants a mini-me by his side.

 

That's how I would envision it anyhow.

[Brother Degas]

agreed, seem to be saying the same thing from different view points.

[Brother Immolator]

That's also because the Dark Angels are actually very protective of their recruiting worlds. ;)

 

That said, can I convince you to look for the source of the Ultras' marital relationships? GW might've had it retconned or something.

 

OFC i aint no hardhead,any references?

I meant the poster before you. We replied to the same post. :)

 

DOH....

[Grotsmasha]

I'm fairly sure Ultra's being married etc, is Rogue Trader fluff. (As a funny side note, gene-seed was originally gene-sperm).

 

Cheers,

Jono

[Brother Immolator]

I'm fairly sure Ultra's being married etc, is Rogue Trader fluff. (As a funny side note, gene-seed was originally gene-sperm).

 

Cheers,

Jono

 

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Gotta find that RT rulebook again....

[Viray]

To the OP, why don't you cut out direct description of the battle for Caliban? It saves you a lot of trouble. What I mean is this: if you do include the Fall as a part of your narrative, you remove the mystery involving the event. Put simply, you are implicitly making the claim that your take on the fall is the true one. As you can see, this will place no small amount of pressure on you to deliver a satisfactory portrayal of such events so that readers will be able to reconcile whatever their beliefs about the Fall may be with the events of the Fall you have described. As an example, right off the bat I can point out some inconsistency with the fluff. Your outline states that the Dark Angels on Caliban are surpised it is their fellow Legionnaires attacking them; it has been noted by several official, as far as official can be concerning 40k fluff, sources that the Fallen knew who they were up against and fought anyway. They were the ones to fire the first shot.

 

It would be far simpler to reference the Fall through flashbacks or through a character's rumination on the event. It keeps the events obscure, but still allows you too draw material from them.

[Vazzy]

To the OP, why don't you cut out direct description of the battle for Caliban? It saves you a lot of trouble. What I mean is this: if you do include the Fall as a part of your narrative, you remove the mystery involving the event. Put simply, you are implicitly making the claim that your take on the fall is the true one. As you can see, this will place no small amount of pressure on you to deliver a satisfactory portrayal of such events so that readers will be able to reconcile whatever their beliefs about the Fall may be with the events of the Fall you have described. As an example, right off the bat I can point out some inconsistency with the fluff. Your outline states that the Dark Angels on Caliban are surpised it is their fellow Legionnaires attacking them; it has been noted by several official, as far as official can be concerning 40k fluff, sources that the Fallen knew who they were up against and fought anyway. They were the ones to fire the first shot.

 

It would be far simpler to reference the Fall through flashbacks or through a character's rumination on the event. It keeps the events obscure, but still allows you too draw material from them.

 

Your point on the Fall is ver good, and to be honest, I hadn't thought of that... Your point about the fluff inconsistency is is correct,but our character is not informed. I may just start it from when he gets sucked into the Warp.

 

 

Also, what is it with y'all and insisting every Fallen is a terrible person. I understand our hatred is understandable, bit jeez guys, there has to be a good Apple out of all the crappy ones. :confused:

[WatchCaptainAzrael]

Also, what is it with y'all and insisting every Fallen is a terrible person. I understand our hatred is understandable, bit jeez guys, there has to be a good Apple out of all the crappy ones. :tu:

That's mainly because they subverted their home world during a catastrophic time of widespread betrayal, back stabbed and attacked their Primarch, sold their lot to the side of Chaos directly or otherwise, have a millennial track record of subverting Imperial assets for the sake of harming the Dark Angels and attempting to lure them into warfare upon other Imperial institutions in order to maintain the secrecy of an event they have no individual blame for but would grant them a label of weak-willed scum at best, outright heretics and renegades at worst, not to mention the internal breakdown that would ensue from the premature revelation of how the Chapter nearly turned traitor, and they did it all because they fell for the honeyed words of Luther, who was upset that the Lion stole the limelight from him.

 

So yeah, we're kinda skeptical.

[Vazzy]

Also, what is it with y'all and insisting every Fallen is a terrible person. I understand our hatred is understandable, bit jeez guys, there has to be a good Apple out of all the crappy ones. :tu:

That's mainly because they subverted their home world during a catastrophic time of widespread betrayal, back stabbed and attacked their Primarch, sold their lot to the side of Chaos directly or otherwise, have a millennial track record of subverting Imperial assets for the sake of harming the Dark Angels and attempting to lure them into warfare upon other Imperial institutions in order to maintain the secrecy of an event they have no individual blame for but would grant them a label of weak-willed scum at best, outright heretics and renegades at worst, not to mention the internal breakdown that would ensue from the premature revelation of how the Chapter nearly turned traitor, and they did it all because they fell for the honeyed words of Luther, who was upset that the Lion stole the limelight from him.

 

So yeah, we're kinda skeptical.

 

Haters gonna hate . No as a member of the Unforgiven, I'm obligated to hate the dastardly traitors. BUT, as an author, the multiple times I've put forward the idea of a "good" Fallen has been met with much hate. Still I'm hoping to put a brief excerpt up tonight if I finish my psychology vocab

[Viray]

Your point on the Fall is ver good, and to be honest, I hadn't thought of that... Your point about the fluff inconsistency is is correct,but our character is not informed. I may just start it from when he gets sucked into the Warp.

Any in the military who may read this, correct me if I am wrong, but I am certain that good communication is vital in the military. Fighting blind is never any good. Considering that the Adeptus Astartes were created to be the perfect soldier, I find it improbable that any Space Marine on Caliban wouldn't know who they were fighting with by the time the first drop pod hit the ground. That said, note that I said improbable and not impossible. You can, of course, come up with a large number of reasons why your character wasn't in the know. E.g. vox failure, interference, not on active duty, caught with his pants down, you name it.

 

Also, don't worry about the occasional skeptical eyebrow to your idea. 10,000 years, relative or not, is a long time to reflect. A "good" Fallen does not seem out of the realm of possibility. Some fluff writers seem to think so as well, if accounts like the Deathwatch Blackshield taken away by the Unforgiven are anything to go by.

 

Edit: Oh, and almost forgot the most important bit: good luck!

[WatchCaptainAzrael]

We're all just making sure you try hard to give us a convincing account of a Fallen seeking redemption, it's all quality assurance. :D

[Vazzy]

We're all just making sure you try hard to give us a convincing account of a Fallen seeking redemption, it's all quality assurance. ;)

 

No pressure then. :)

[Vazzy]

Here's a brief sample of what I have so far.

 

The crust of the planet cracked and shattered around him. The orbital bombardment was tearing his beloved Caliban apart. Lightning tore across the the sky, illuminating his Matte black armor. A fierce wind ripped at his robes, and fires raged around Pelial.  Sargent Ixian gestured for him to follow,and took off in a run. Pelial ran after him, crouched low. Most of the squad had died in the fighting, and Ixian and Peliel were alone.

 

Suddenly, a CRACK that resembled a sonic boom rippled across the surface, causing the two marines to stagger, despite their Power Armor.

 

"What in Terra-" Ixian growled as a tremor, stronger this time, threw both men off their feet. Motes of light began to dance in the air in front of them.

 

The wind picked up, reaching its crescendo. All of a sudden, a bright light flashed, and Peliel felt as if he would be sick. He was surrounded by screams, of pain, lust, terror, pleasure, all pushing at his mind. He himself added to the din, screaming, wailing. Then , thanfully the comfort of unconsciousness greeted him.

 

 

 

Also, no one found this amusing?

Cypher: Gregorious, Ezekiel never told you what happened to your Father.

Gregorious: He told me enough. He said a Fallen killed him!

Cypher: No Gregorious, A fallen is your Father!

Gregorious: NO!! NNOOO, thats impossible!

[WatchCaptainAzrael]

Not a bad start, now deliver the rest. :P

 

Oh, and please do not put more than one Master Bitterius Vengeanceax with a glowing red eye and a metallic voice despite lack of prosthetics. DA literature is not it if he doesn't make an appearance in official publishings. :P

[Tengo]

I think that's a good start Vazzy, nice one!

[Brother Immolator]

Yeah me too keep it up buddy!

[Vazzy]

So, does anyone want to be character? Also, more story!!

 

Peliel opened his eyes, blinking blearily. The last thing he remembered was being blinded by a flash of light. And screams, he remembered the screams.

"Ixian," he rasped,"Brother? Where are you?"

Peliel looked about, tense as he realized that this was no longer Caliban. He was surrounded by sand, and small trees. A yellow sun glowed brightly in the sky and mountains rose in the distance.

 

"What is this place?" growled Peliel. He ckecked his armors sensors, and noted faint life signs to the east, which he hoped was somewhere where someone could tell him where he was. Peliel stood, grasping his bolter in one hand and his sword in the other, and set off towards what he hoped were answers.

[Tengo]

It's going well man, and congrats on managing to get the story into sizeable chunks, I tried posting one of my Stories yesterday, the first chapter is over 12 pages long on Microsoft Word and there's not an awful lot of places where I would feel comfortable cutting it off so that it's appropriately sized for the internet.