Billuriye Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Also, unless the Emperor messed up somewhere, Primarchs cant get drunk. Their metabolism would be too fast. Yes they can. Horus was lethally poisoned. Russ can get poisoned too. Being drunk is being poisoned for a duration. I don't know where you are getting your SW facts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245559-my-legion-is-better-than-yours/page/6/#findComment-2975864 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Horus was lethally poised by an other worldly blade specifically coded to attack his genes. Comparing natty light to a super natural blade isn't even like comparing apples to oranges. Its like comparing apples to unicorns. Or unicorns to dragons. Part of the space marine physiology is their ability to ingest poisons and neutralize them before they hurt the space marine. AND THEN BE ABLE TO RECREATE THAT POISON IN THEIR SALIVA. So not only do space marines not get drunk, they can create alcohol in their saliva if they have ingested it. Being a Primarch all of this is magnified in Russ. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245559-my-legion-is-better-than-yours/page/6/#findComment-2975878 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billuriye Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 I'm not comparing the method of poisoning. Just the fact that they can get poisoned with stuff potent enough. Besides Primarchs sip wine time to time which means they are affected by that stuff. And god knows what and how much does Russ drink. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245559-my-legion-is-better-than-yours/page/6/#findComment-2975882 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeslikethunder Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Mjod is meant to be a whole selection poisons powerful enough to overwelm the system of a space marine making him drunk and deadly to humans When the Emperor met Russ for the first time they had a drinking contest Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245559-my-legion-is-better-than-yours/page/6/#findComment-2975911 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 13th Goat Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 I heard it Mjod was made from the piss trickling down the legs of their enemies. I also heard it goes well with Caberet Vinot...... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245559-my-legion-is-better-than-yours/page/6/#findComment-2975916 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeslikethunder Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 I heard it Mjod was made from the piss trickling down the legs of their enemies. I also heard it goes well with Caberet Vinot...... LOL love it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245559-my-legion-is-better-than-yours/page/6/#findComment-2975922 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 The Upplander could smell the petroleum reek of the drink. There was blood in it too, he guessed. Liquid food, fermented, chemically distilled, extremely high calorific content... more akin to aviation fuel than a beverage Direct quote from Prospero Burns on the contents of mjod. It has a high alcohol content, but nothing a SM couldn't handle. To a human it would be fatal which is why Kasper can't have any. It isnt a batch of poisons that get them drunk. Its a meal in a glass. Its anti-freeze, dude. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245559-my-legion-is-better-than-yours/page/6/#findComment-2975996 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 The Upplander could smell the petroleum reek of the drink. There was blood in it too, he guessed. Liquid food, fermented, chemically distilled, extremely high calorific content... more akin to aviation fuel than a beverage Direct quote from Prospero Burns on the contents of mjod. It has a high alcohol content, but nothing a SM couldn't handle. To a human it would be fatal which is why Kasper can't have any. It isnt a batch of poisons that get them drunk. Its a meal in a glass. Its anti-freeze, dude. I take it it's the concoction rather than the amount of alcohol it it that makes it fatal, right? If not... something with a high ethanol content then, say... 90%? Of course, by that point it's nearly as strong as rubbing alcohol. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245559-my-legion-is-better-than-yours/page/6/#findComment-2976037 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 i believe the space wolves had a malfunctioning gland of some sorts, allowing them to get "drunk" or atleast roused. can't recall the source though... and mjod is an alcoholic drink, but it's mixed with various other stuff. i believe prospero burns describes it quite well. but indeed, the drinking/feasting is a bit overdone, in wolfs honour it's quite clear they only really feast when not on active duty, right after or before a campaign. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245559-my-legion-is-better-than-yours/page/6/#findComment-2976053 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Im not proud of it but I have ingested rubbing alcohol and I didnt die. Everclear too. For a space marine I doubt they'd even feel a slight burn. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245559-my-legion-is-better-than-yours/page/6/#findComment-2976132 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Ah, yes, but it's not just the alcoholic content that makes it lethal, is it? I'd say that amount of alcohol is probably about right for the Rout, regardless of other, ahem, 'flavourings'. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245559-my-legion-is-better-than-yours/page/6/#findComment-2976138 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Alcohol thins your blood and dehydrates you while chemically acting as a depressant in your brain. Thats what causes the disorientation. Space Marines have super blood and can't become dehydrated anyway, as their system produces very little for waste. So given that space marines brain chemistry is balanced by organs that internally regulate things like fear and depression, and flood their system with counters, at worst the marine would feel slightly disoriented, but then it would go as quickly as it came as his system flushed the chemical out. This is a ridiculous debate as alcoholism isnt exactly a desirable trait and glorifying dependency issues is counter to what purpose the space marines were made for. Having a drink with some buddies is very different from the 'drunken brawls' in the Space Wolf forum. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245559-my-legion-is-better-than-yours/page/6/#findComment-2976146 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Fair point. I'll drop the subject, as I seem to have dragged us off topic. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245559-my-legion-is-better-than-yours/page/6/#findComment-2976158 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billuriye Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 This is a ridiculous debate as alcoholism isnt exactly a desirable trait and glorifying dependency issues is counter to what purpose the space marines were made for. Having a drink with some buddies is very different from the 'drunken brawls' in the Space Wolf forum. Drunken brawls are just fine. It's that kind of stupid stuff that brings characterization like a Black Templar seeking duels in the middle of the war. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245559-my-legion-is-better-than-yours/page/6/#findComment-2976163 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 No, in no way, shape, or form is it the same. A Champion seeking out other champions is a tradition. Everybody in your unit constantly being inebriated is a character flaw. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245559-my-legion-is-better-than-yours/page/6/#findComment-2976174 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billuriye Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Ungh, i'm dropping this debate, too much abraison not enough communion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245559-my-legion-is-better-than-yours/page/6/#findComment-2976181 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Necoho Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Horus was lethally poised by an other worldly blade specifically coded to attack his genes. Comparing natty light to a super natural blade isn't even like comparing apples to oranges. Its like comparing apples to unicorns. Or unicorns to dragons. Part of the space marine physiology is their ability to ingest poisons and neutralize them before they hurt the space marine. AND THEN BE ABLE TO RECREATE THAT POISON IN THEIR SALIVA. So not only do space marines not get drunk, they can create alcohol in their saliva if they have ingested it. Being a Primarch all of this is magnified in Russ. This comes up in my favourite battle report of all time. Back in 3e days, I think: can't remember which White Dwarf, but it's Ian Pickstock leading the Wolves against Andy Chambers' Nids. The story starts with some colour text of Ragnar's host having a post-victory drinking contest. It explains that 'neutralizing poison' point, and says that drinking contests are inverted: the task is to drink so much alcohol of such a strength and at such a speed that it overwhelms your superhuman protection against poisons and knocks you out. A young bloodclaw wins. Not THAT different from some 'frat party' situations... Of course, when the call comes to go to another fight, the Wolf Guard at least are back to total focus immediately. PS: don't tell the SWs that they can recreate mead at will. It will lead to irresponsible behaviour and a terrible blow to the vital mjod industry. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245559-my-legion-is-better-than-yours/page/6/#findComment-2976243 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Curze never shied away from a fight this is true, however in the early parts of the crusade when his legion was made up of terrans and Nostramans that were not criminals and to the middle he would state who he was and planets would surrender. Middle to late crusade same thing would happen except the Night Lords would proceed to slaughter as much of the indigs as possible, because the legion by that point was super human gangers from planet crime. Nostramo theres no deadly hive of scum and villainy. Yes, and how did he get that reputation? He sure as hell didn't get it by going up to people, telling them who he was, and then politely going away without doing anything more. The Night Lords made examples out of all who broke the law. If the Night Lords visited your planet during the Great Crusade, and they weren't there for restocking, then your planet was about to be, at the very least, decimated, in the old sense of the word. He might not have fought as much in those circumstances, but he still did a lot of killing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245559-my-legion-is-better-than-yours/page/6/#findComment-2976455 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mykra Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 They are only cool because of ADB gave them more character, before hand they were pretty pants to be honest, even in the other novels. No way, they were awesome before Bowden. The 2E Codex had some amazing bits in it for them, pushing the fact they were immoral, terror-inducing, butchers who could drop on you at a moments notice. It's cool to hate on Sahaal now, but I really loved him and his book for how absolutely deluded he was. It was another take on Chaos we hadn't really seen before, and it and the book was great. Ended a little too Pitch Black-y, and confusion springs up when people take Sahaal at his word, but very good stuff. "...These were not the brave and honorable heros like the veterans of the loyal Imperial Chapters. The Night Lords had no qualms about gunning down innocents or those weaker than themselves. They had their own set of values." I want a Night Lord HH novel, stat. :tu: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245559-my-legion-is-better-than-yours/page/6/#findComment-2976568 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 confusion springs up when people take Sahaal at his word As opposed to taking Acerbus at his? :tu: Neither is exactly the best source of information, and it's funny to see when people go "well, Sahaal's version probably isn't entirely correct, so therefore that means the Chaos-corrupted, insane, hateful Daemon Prince must be telling the complete truth!" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245559-my-legion-is-better-than-yours/page/6/#findComment-2976580 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mykra Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 confusion springs up when people take Sahaal at his word As opposed to taking Acerbus at his? :tu: Neither is exactly the best source of information, and it's funny to see when people go "well, Sahaal's version probably isn't entirely correct, so therefore that means the Chaos-corrupted, insane, hateful Daemon Prince must be telling the complete truth!" Hah :cuss I wasn't hinting at that but I'm sure tons have. I agree with you, they both aren't the most trustworthy of sources to bank on, and I do think plenty side with a 'It's a this guy or that guy' type of proposition. But I stick by my guns and say the Night Lords were plenty awesome before the current trilogy, and we need a Night Lord HH novel pronto. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245559-my-legion-is-better-than-yours/page/6/#findComment-2976586 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 confusion springs up when people take Sahaal at his word As opposed to taking Acerbus at his? :) When one of them is contradicting the 2nd and 3rd Edition background about the Night Lords and the Emperor, and the other one isn't, then, yes. It is not like we have to take either of them just up on their word. We can look it up in the fluff and see that, yep, Sahaal had it wrong, it was exactly like Acerbus said. No uncertainty whatsoever, unless one forgets the actual fluff when reading that book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245559-my-legion-is-better-than-yours/page/6/#findComment-2976694 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nihm Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 God, the Night Lords are cool. Murderers first, last, and always. They are only cool because of ADB gave them more character, before hand they were pretty pants to be honest, even in the other novels. Fallacy, One has but to pick up the 2nd ed. Codex Chaos and start reading. Granted, the new NL books has made them more approachable/acceptable to many. As for who's right, Sahaal or Krieg, they both are - most likely. Fluff sources (old and new) hint at Curze's "dual-personality" and that supports the perceived reality of both. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245559-my-legion-is-better-than-yours/page/6/#findComment-2976699 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Why would Space Marines be phisiologically unable to get drunk? That's something that discipline and psycho-indoctrination are supposed to do, it's not like the Emperor created Russ and said "Uh oh, this one shall love the fine taste and mad-awesome effects of thy booze, better put a safeguard mechanism in these guys". You can't control every aspect of human nature, I'm sure Empy could see the value of teaching the Primarchs about consequences. And I'm sure the Space Wolf codex provides enough facts on the effects of alcohol on the Marines, especially the part about it raising the probability of a brawl occurring. Night Lords are interesting chaps, and I'd very much like to read about them invading a planet during the Great Crusade. Since ADB's NL novels tell the tale of a ragged warband, it remains to see the extent of the Legion's ability to instill fear in their victims. Still, their modus operandi isn't one I particularly approve, so I'm more interested in seeing how the Legion's internal affairs evolve. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245559-my-legion-is-better-than-yours/page/6/#findComment-2976707 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulse Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Fallacy, One has but to pick up the 2nd ed. Codex Chaos and start reading. Granted, the new NL books has made them more approachable/acceptable to many. They were lame even in 2nd ed. A bunch of "murderers" that applied their trade back on their homeworld when they were nothing but children and are now "murderers" in power armour - so awesome.... [/sacasam] Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245559-my-legion-is-better-than-yours/page/6/#findComment-2976712 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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