Schertenleib Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Games Workshop has just posted new FAQ's for just about everything. Updated in our FAQ... Jaws does not need a To-Hit Roll. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245572-new-faqs-from-gw/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karack Blackstone Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...howtopic=245393 2nd page. And yes, actually, Jaws is a power that should not require any kind of to-hit roll: it should just be activate and go. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245572-new-faqs-from-gw/#findComment-2970732 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormbrow II Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Here is the new SW FAQ which might have been mentioned already. There are 3 things to keep in mind. 1. Jaws no longer needs to roll to hit even though it is a Psychic Shooting Attack. 2. Njal has got it in the bum because he can no longer use his Lord of Tempests ability while he's inside a Rhino (as per the BRB FAQ). 3. Power Fists have dropped to 10 points for Wolf Lords. :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245572-new-faqs-from-gw/#findComment-2970738 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Here is the new SW FAQ which might have been mentioned already. There are 3 things to keep in mind. 1. Jaws no longer needs to roll to hit even though it is a Psychic Shooting Attack. <-- It never did, except in WAAC-world 2. Njal has got it in the bum because he can no longer use his Lord of Tempests ability while he's inside a Rhino (as per the BRB FAQ). 3. Power Fists have dropped to 10 points for Wolf Lords. :lol: <-- They've always been this price for TDA Wolf Lord replacing his Power weapon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245572-new-faqs-from-gw/#findComment-2970753 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormbrow II Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 It never did, except in WAAC-world Yes it did, if you had read and used the old FAQ. You whining about WAAC-world is pointless. They've always been this price for TDA Wolf Lord replacing his Power weapon. Poo. Lords in TDA are crap. I thought it was for Lords in general. Oh well. Njal's debuff is still valid. This FAQ has been less about dicking over mech builds and more about hurting characters: Njal and Coteaz in vehicles and Anrakyr in a Barge spring to mind. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245572-new-faqs-from-gw/#findComment-2970769 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 It never did, except in WAAC-world Yes it did, if you had read and used the old FAQ. You whining about WAAC-world is pointless. Nope, no FAQ as far back as 2009 required a to-hit roll for Jaws. I have read and used all of the FAQs, and your attitude is counter-productive and unappreciated. Codex: Space WOlves FAQ Dec 2009 "Q. Does Jaws of the World Wolf affect Jetbikes? How about Artillery? A. Yes, because ‘Jetbikes’ is a subcategory of the ‘Bike’ unit type. As for Artillery, the crew models may be affected, but the gun models, being vehicles, are not affected." "Q. Does Jaws of the World Wolf allow cover saves? A. No – you could take a cover save if the power caused wounds, but as it does not cause wounds, no cover saves are allowed." "Q. Does Jaws of the World Wolf allow the Rune Priest to target specific models within squads? A. Yes." "Q. How wide is the line for the Jaws of the World Wolf power? A. It’s a hairline, it does not really have a specific designated thickness. We like to turn our tape measures on one side and use their edge, keeping it as straight as possible of course." "Q. Does Jaws of the World Wolf require line of sight? Does it ignore terrain that blocks line of sight (i.e., impassible terrain)? A. As a psychic shooting attack, Jaws of the World Wolf requires line of sight. The Rune Priest must have line of sight to the first model that the power affects – in effect he is treated as the target model; the power just happens to hit everybody else on its way through!" Codex: Space Wolves FAQ dated Jan 2010 Changed nothing Codex: Space Wolves FAQ v1.1 Changed nothing except adding page citations to the questions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245572-new-faqs-from-gw/#findComment-2970785 Share on other sites More sharing options...
G. A. K. Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 he was referring to the general 40k FAQ which stated that all psychic shooting powers required a 'roll to hit' that came out a month or two ago. It wasn't anything specific about JotWW. G Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245572-new-faqs-from-gw/#findComment-2970818 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeslikethunder Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 yeah a lot of WAAC players tried to apply/extend the ruling to jaws. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245572-new-faqs-from-gw/#findComment-2970830 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormbrow II Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 he was referring to the general 40k FAQ which stated that all psychic shooting powers required a 'roll to hit' that came out a month or two ago. It wasn't anything specific about JotWW. This. Thank you G.A.K. It was in the BRB FAQ before this recent update that said the above. And as the SW Book & FAQ said: Jaws is a psychic shooting attack. It was common sense to link them which I believe more and more to be a super power with people like you floating about: Waa, the waac players wreck the game through the application of logic and demands for clearer rules explanations for all, waa. your attitude is counter-productive and unappreciated. Half of the above paragraph was. And you whining about waac-world isn't? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245572-new-faqs-from-gw/#findComment-2970854 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeslikethunder Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 No WAAC players are players who seek competition advantage by twisting/extending badly written rules beyond their original intent. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245572-new-faqs-from-gw/#findComment-2970862 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormbrow II Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 No WAAC players are players who seek competition advantage by twisting/extending badly written rules beyond their original intent. Unless you've had the opportunity to speak to the rules designers to ask them (or you're psychic) none of us can know their original intent and can only work with what is in front of us, so that everyone is on an even keel starting off and this is where applying logic comes into the equation. It might not be perceived to be fair but at least it brings clarity. It's just a pity GW have come up with the RAW/RAI excuse for sloppy, inconsistent editing. Jaws is a PSA (psychic shooting attack) that doesn't roll to hit while Lash of Submission is not a PSA but most roll to hit when others (Weaken Resolve) don't with both changes having come in a FAQ that has caused lots of confusion. I'm all for someone interpreting the rules so that they are applied consistently across the board and not haphazardly as GW has done so far. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245572-new-faqs-from-gw/#findComment-2970875 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeslikethunder Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Unless you've had the opportunity to speak to the rules designers to ask them I am fortunate enough to know one or two actually But what really stuck in my mind was the dakka dakka discussion where brother ramses was discussing the rules and pointing out the reasons JotWW did not roll to hit. It was suggested that they bet their forum accounts it they truly believed it. loads from the dont roll to hit said they would including BR but not single person from roll to hit camp believed enough to put theirs forward. They had argued page after page the thread was massive but they were just tying to take advantage. just remember the terminators dont have terminator armour discussions as well Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245572-new-faqs-from-gw/#findComment-2970903 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacksad Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 or the "IC with saga of the Hunter can't use BEL" discussion... I call ridiculous. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245572-new-faqs-from-gw/#findComment-2970909 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormbrow II Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 But what really stuck in my mind was the dakka dakka discussion where brother ramses was discussing the rules and pointing out the reasons JotWW did not roll to hit. It was suggested that they bet their forum accounts it they truly believed it. loads from the dont roll to hit said they would including BR but not single person from roll to hit camp believed enough to put theirs forward. I would have gone with the latter in this case as I did for a number of months until Monday. just remember the terminators dont have terminator armour discussions as well This doesn't make any sense and was probably someone taking the piss. IC with saga of the Hunter can't use BEL" discussion This too is debateable tbh. I play it that the IC can but as long as it's applied consistently from game to game no matter where I play I'm happy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245572-new-faqs-from-gw/#findComment-2970921 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacksad Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 no, it really isn't. Not if you don't willingly misread the printed text. The latest FAQ has clarified it even further, but still people refuse to read what is written as it is written. Saga of the Hunter gives outflank and stealth. when a unit of scouts outflanks it's normal table is replaced by the BEL table. end of discussion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245572-new-faqs-from-gw/#findComment-2970922 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 It never did, except in WAAC-world Yes it did, if you had read and used the old FAQ. You whining about WAAC-world is pointless. I played against someone who was using Jaws. He insisted he was required to roll to hit, and I could not convince him otherwise. He missed. People other than WAACers interpreted it that Jaws needed to roll to hit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245572-new-faqs-from-gw/#findComment-2970972 Share on other sites More sharing options...
auto Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 2. Njal has got it in the bum because he can no longer use his Lord of Tempests ability while he's inside a Rhino He can use the ability, but he won't get its effects unless he hops out during the movement phase. The rule states that you can't draw line of sight from within a vehicle; it doesn't say you can't use the ability. See my post here for more info: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/424017.page Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245572-new-faqs-from-gw/#findComment-2970983 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forté Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 2. Njal has got it in the bum because he can no longer use his Lord of Tempests ability while he's inside a Rhino He can use the ability, but he won't get its effects unless he hops out during the movement phase. The rule states that you can't draw line of sight from within a vehicle; it doesn't say you can't use the ability. See my post here for more info: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/424017.page if he can't use it in the vehicle then how about a fire point? You know those huge things on the top of a rhino...they open! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245572-new-faqs-from-gw/#findComment-2971002 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emptyedens Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 I have a simple question. My army uses the space wolf codex and the warhammer 40k basic rule book so why would I care what the FAQ for the space marines codex states? I'm not playing space marines or guard, so why would their rule FAQS have anything to do with me. According to GW all I need to play my army is those two books so I feel I should disregard everyones else's FAQ. If GW didn't want Njal using LOT in a rhino they would state that Njal can not use it in a rhino. That's why the whole must roll to hit with a physic power from Codex SM doesn't apply to us as we don't use Codex:SM. Makes sense to me..... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245572-new-faqs-from-gw/#findComment-2971022 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 your attitude is counter-productive and unappreciated. Half of the above paragraph was. And you whining about waac-world isn't? It was in the BRB FAQ before this recent update that said the above. And as the SW Book & FAQ said: Jaws is a psychic shooting attack. It was common sense to link them which I believe more and more to be a super power with people like you floating about: Waa, the waac players wreck the game through the application of logic and demands for clearer rules explanations for all, waa. your attitude is counter-productive and unappreciated. Half of the above paragraph was. And you whining about waac-world isn't? Again, with the attitude - you know full well that the general FAQ about Psychic Powers needing a to-hit roll never applied to Jaws. Specific overrides General, and the specific instructions for firing Jaws always overrode the general BRB rule about a to-hit roll. As did everyone but a WAAC or someone duped by a WAAC's arguments. It's sad that some people needed a special FAQ from GW telling them to play by the rules. But I love how you took a general statement and responded with personal insults and character assassination attacks, very classy. Also, for the record, I don't use Jaws - it's underpowered and rather ineffective in my local group. But you go right on being a pin-head. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245572-new-faqs-from-gw/#findComment-2971026 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 I have a simple question. My army uses the space wolf codex and the warhammer 40k basic rule book so why would I care what the FAQ for the space marines codex states? I'm not playing space marines or guard, so why would their rule FAQS have anything to do with me. According to GW all I need to play my army is those two books so I feel I should disregard everyones else's FAQ. If GW didn't want Njal using LOT in a rhino they would state that Njal can not use it in a rhino. That's why the whole must roll to hit with a physic power from Codex SM doesn't apply to us as we don't use Codex:SM. Makes sense to me..... The rule in question is in the main rulebook FAQ, not the SM FAQ. Q: Can models embarked upon a vehicle use its firepoints to draw line of sight to a unit to use special rules or wargear (other than shooting)? (p66) A: No. That is from the main rulebook FAQ, not SM. The rule that requires rolling to hit with psychic shooting attacks is in the main rulebook FAQ (superceded in the case of JAWS by the Wolf FAQ). These are not instances of the marine FAQ affecting the wolf codex, but the main rulebook affecting everyone. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245572-new-faqs-from-gw/#findComment-2971027 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 I have a simple question. My army uses the space wolf codex and the warhammer 40k basic rule book so why would I care what the FAQ for the space marines codex states? I'm not playing space marines or guard, so why would their rule FAQS have anything to do with me. According to GW all I need to play my army is those two books so I feel I should disregard everyones else's FAQ. If GW didn't want Njal using LOT in a rhino they would state that Njal can not use it in a rhino. That's why the whole must roll to hit with a physic power from Codex SM doesn't apply to us as we don't use Codex:SM. Makes sense to me..... Hell, you don't even have pay attention to any of the FAQs if you don't want to. Only the Errata are "hard rules" changes or clarifications. The FAQs are little more than GWs own house rules. Unfortunately for you, most other players use then as a common baseline, so pickup gamers at the LGS, and most tournaments will use them. V Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245572-new-faqs-from-gw/#findComment-2971040 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 It never did, except in WAAC-world Yes it did, if you had read and used the old FAQ. You whining about WAAC-world is pointless. No, it never needed to because RAW it wasnt possible to roll to hit with jaws. The FAQ's decision didnt change that, it just proved it, again. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245572-new-faqs-from-gw/#findComment-2971048 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacksad Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 post removed due to not being to the point. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245572-new-faqs-from-gw/#findComment-2971056 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 *snip*Q: Can models embarked upon a vehicle use its firepoints to draw line of sight to a unit to use special rules or wargear (other than shooting)? (p66) A: No. *snip* other than shooting. JotWW is shooting, ergo fire points can be used to draw line of sight. He was talking about Njals Tempest abilities. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245572-new-faqs-from-gw/#findComment-2971067 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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