Ethrion Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Not sure if anyone has already seen these two. Can't wait for this, sounds awesome already! http://www.blacklibrary.com/Downloads/Prod...now-no-fear.pdf http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/wnt/blog...?pid=900028-gws Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245597-know-no-fear/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarKnight Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 I feel kinda gypped that I got the most recent issue of Hammer&Bolter mostly for the "Know No Fear" extract, but that its the same one they have as a preview. Nevertheless I'm really excited for this one. I think Abnett makes up for Prospero Burns with this. Guilliman seems really conciliatory towards Lorgar in the second excerpt, but I guess he can't be a hardass ALL the time LOL Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245597-know-no-fear/#findComment-2971130 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liquidice Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 They have a countdown on the website saying "Two days to Calth" What are they counting down? Will the ebook be released? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245597-know-no-fear/#findComment-2971138 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarKnight Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 They have a countdown on the website saying "Two days to Calth" What are they counting down? Will the ebook be released? I think that's the date to preorder. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245597-know-no-fear/#findComment-2971149 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billuriye Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Excerpt was pretty cool. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245597-know-no-fear/#findComment-2971156 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Eh...Sorot Churro...El diablo traidor Nice excerpt. Man, I'd love it if Guilliman could wipe either Erebus or Kor Phaeron. Do they piss me off... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245597-know-no-fear/#findComment-2971285 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Rawl Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Oj those two Extracts were so much better than the previous one on the BL website, really looking forward to this now Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245597-know-no-fear/#findComment-2971342 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Aye, but it seemed like SPOILERS for those who don't want to read the extract (you never know) Honorius should've figured out Tchure knew what he was talking about a bit too well - also, he sounded like he admired the use of treachery. Eh, I suppose treason from a fellow Astartes must be really unimaginable for these guys. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245597-know-no-fear/#findComment-2971355 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimdarkness Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Oj those two Extracts were so much better than the previous one on the BL website, really looking forward to this now Agreed. Aye, but it seemed like SPOILERS for those who don't want to read the extract (you never know) Honorius should've figured out Tchure knew what he was talking about a bit too well - also, he sounded like he admired the use of treachery. Eh, I suppose treason from a fellow Astartes must be really unimaginable for these guys. Well they are Ultramarines. :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245597-know-no-fear/#findComment-2971375 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Rawl Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Aye, but it seemed like SPOILERS for those who don't want to read the extract (you never know) Honorius should've figured out Tchure knew what he was talking about a bit too well - also, he sounded like he admired the use of treachery. Eh, I suppose treason from a fellow Astartes must be really unimaginable for these guys. Yeah the Ultra certainly had a 'Herp a derp' moment, but as you said it could very well be that betrayal amongst the Astartes has never been thought of, most are horrified at the mere thought in earlier novels and since the Ultras are the most honourable it is more than likely an impossibility to them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245597-know-no-fear/#findComment-2971376 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunslinger87 Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 This book really has a lot of potential, definitely looking forward to it. I think it will be nice to see the WB really in the midst of their evil once the veil is removed and finally have a chaos legion being fully chaos in the Horus Heresy. Plus, as I've mentioned elsewhere, it really seems the injustice and betrayal of it all will be a great return to the original trilogy. Regret is a great emotion... or those missed chances. Fantastic. If only Loken got there sooner... or if only Magnus did things a little bit different and so on... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245597-know-no-fear/#findComment-2971378 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexington Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Honorius should've figured out Tchure knew what he was talking about a bit too well - also, he sounded like he admired the use of treachery. Eh, I suppose treason from a fellow Astartes must be really unimaginable for these guys. Yeah, I found that excerpt disappointing for exactly the same reason. Abnett often writes his Marines as ridiculously obtuse, to the point where they're not believable characters anymore. Never really understood why. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245597-know-no-fear/#findComment-2971387 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Well, it's worth remembering that knowing how things will progress gives us an edge over Honorius. Yet, while it wouldn't be unheard of for a regular person to be this naive, it looks strange on a Marine's augmented mind. Still, if there's one thing the Horus Heresy series shows us is that Marines are pretty damn human. And people with a tremendous sense of duty - as are Ultramarines - can see a break in that duty as anathema. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245597-know-no-fear/#findComment-2971418 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dràyhèn Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Even though all that would happen within those handful of minutes was evident almost right from the beginning, I couldn't help blocking out the notion of brutal execution until the point where Tchure spoke of daemonic warfare. All that was to come was so obvious but yet there was that hint of hesitation. A sense of terrible foreboding. All that seemed too indicate a bit too directly what was going to happen. Masterfully executed scene. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245597-know-no-fear/#findComment-2971423 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexington Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Well, it's worth remembering that knowing how things will progress gives us an edge over Honorius. It does, but I don't think that means the scene needs to play out in such an obvious way. It just makes Tchure look silly for all but shouting his intentions, and Honorius (seriously?) immensely dense for not picking up on it. Bleh. Was looking forward to this book, but less so now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245597-know-no-fear/#findComment-2971529 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billuriye Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Mileage issues i guess. Considering how tight the Astartes brotherhood is supposed to be and the mindset of an average Astartes the scene seemed reasonable. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245597-know-no-fear/#findComment-2971540 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dràyhèn Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 When we look at this in the context of the second excerpt, the one where Guilliman thinks his relationship with Lorgar is about to get better (at least he says that much to Lorgar), Tchure's talk does seem a little bit more innocent. They, the Ultramarines, think they're going to fight against orks with the Word Bearers soon. Hence the advance and commitment talk may seem like related to that battle. That was my impression and that is why I think the whole scene was plausible. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245597-know-no-fear/#findComment-2971554 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Aye, it ends up being plausible for the reasons you and Billuriye mentioned. But I must say - and this may make me seem nitpicky when I simply shrugged past these details - in the other excerpt, Guilliman seemed a far warmer person than ADB portrayed him as. For a moment it seemed too large a discrepancy, but then it's plausible for people to behave differently when in duty. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245597-know-no-fear/#findComment-2971558 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon950 Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Even if this book manages to redeem him of Prospero Burns, which in my mind never will, he still needs to redeem himself for legion. The only part I liked about that book was the ending. Horus Rising was mostly decent, except for the part where the 2 space marines were fighting with knives. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245597-know-no-fear/#findComment-2971565 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Even if this book manages to redeem him of Prospero Burns, which in my mind never will, he still needs to redeem himself for legion. The only part I liked about that book was the ending. Horus Rising was mostly decent, except for the part where the 2 space marines were fighting with knives. I gotta say I really liked both of those books, more so than some of the others. Both had details in them that were enticing and both books seemed well paced. Neither of them were anywhere near as bad as you're alluding to, imho. But then, it comes down to personal taste, really. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245597-know-no-fear/#findComment-2971585 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norbus Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Yeah why the hate for Prospero Burns and Legion? Good old Abnett books, IMO. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245597-know-no-fear/#findComment-2971625 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midgard Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Another thought sprang to mind after reading all the extracts (I believe there are four of them floating around now - the original extract posted on BL blog; the one posted on GW website; the new extract with Tchure and Honorius - who, presumably, is named after the Roman Emperor of that name; and, for those of us on the BL mailing list, the one sent out via e-mail today). If the rumor pertaining to two lost Legions being absorbed into the Ultramarines (or at least some of their members making their way into the Ultras) was true, then Honorius' actions run contrary to it. After all, if the Ultramarines were aware of what happened to the two lost Legions, they would have probably not thought Lorgar's (and his Legion's) actions inconceivable. The Wolves (at least as per "Prospero Burns") would have been more wary, while the Ultramarines seem to take the Word Bearers at face value. Now, I don't expect there to be any revelations about the two lost Legions, not in this book, not ever. But I think the Ultramarines' actions here seem to give very little credence to the rumor about some elements of the lost Legions being absorbed by the Ultramarines. One would think that if some Legion-on-Legion warfare was involved in the elimination of the two (as the Wolves seem to suggest in the ending of "Prospero Burns"), the Ultramarines had nothing to do with it (as evidenced by their utter shock at the Word Bearers' betrayal), and did not receive an influx of lost Legion marines, for whom intra-Legionary warfare would have been relatively recent history. Of course, one could make an argument that only some in the XIIIth Legion would have known about the fate of the lost two, and thus the KNF story so far does not automatically make the rumor fully invalid, but at least it puts a serious dent into that theory (which, as it is confirmed, is just that - a rumor that may or may not be true). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245597-know-no-fear/#findComment-2971818 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Received by email ++ALL CHANNELS EMERGENCY BROADCAST – PRIORITY CODE ALPHA-I TO ALL SHIPS WITHIN THE VERIDIAN SYSTEM++ ++IDENT: Ultramarines battle-barge Constellation of Tarmus, tethered at high anchor over Calth++ ++TRANSCRIPT FOLLOWS++ This is Brother-captain Ruben Indusio of the XIII Legion. We have suffered a catastrophic systems failure. Requesting immediate assistance. We have zero reactor capability, no weapons, no auspex. Please confirm, greenskin presence? We saw noth- Who’s firing? Vox-master, open a link to the orbital. I need shields now, damn it. [Detonation, followed by severe signal distortion] Throne, the Sons of Ultramar! They’re gone. We’re trapped. Cut the docking lines, you damned fool! Cut them or we die here and now. Brothers of the XVII Legion, cease fire! In the name of the Emperor, this is a mistake! You’ve made a mis- [Transmission terminated at Calth mark: -0.17.13] ++END TRANSCRIPT++ Gut-wrenching indeed... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245597-know-no-fear/#findComment-2971825 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarKnight Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 @ Midgard Brother Midgard you misunderstood that passage from The First Heretic. The absorption of the two missing Legions into the Ultramarines is a rumor only. Just inter-legionary gossip. Its a possibility perhaps, but don't try to force square pegs into round holes trying to get it to make sense. Without at the very least additional hints in other novels. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245597-know-no-fear/#findComment-2972082 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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