Zeratul29 Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Hey everyone, I just wanted to ask if regular grey knights get an invuln from their nemesis force swords? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245705-do-regular-grey-knights-get-an-invuln/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warsmith Annüss Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Power armour GKs do not get an invulnerable save from their swords. The nemesis force swords add to an existing invulnerable save. Parry is a rumoured rule for 6th edition. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245705-do-regular-grey-knights-get-an-invuln/#findComment-2972130 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOFADK Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Power armour GKs do not get an invulnerable save from their swords. The nemesis force swords add to an existing invulnerable save. Parry is a rumoured rule for 6th edition. The Parry rule are for Power Weapons, and Force Swords are not Power Weapons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245705-do-regular-grey-knights-get-an-invuln/#findComment-2972251 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Power armour GKs do not get an invulnerable save from their swords. The nemesis force swords add to an existing invulnerable save. Parry is a rumoured rule for 6th edition. The Parry rule are for Power Weapons, and Force Swords are not Power Weapons. "FORCE WEAPONS Force weapons are potent psychic weapons only used by trained Psykers. They have the same effects as power weapons, but can also be charged with sprawling psionic energy that can instantly extinguish the life force of any opponent." - "Leaked" 6th Ed BRB, Pg.93 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245705-do-regular-grey-knights-get-an-invuln/#findComment-2972260 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeratil Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 And on the same page it shows that they don't have the parry rule, whereas power weapons do as shown in the next column. What you're quoting is just the description and it is refering to the fact that force weapons are Strength S, AP 2. Even if it were true all NFW weapons have extra rules meaning they wouldn't get the parry rule anyway, as per the parry description on page 93. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245705-do-regular-grey-knights-get-an-invuln/#findComment-2972275 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Master Crafted Power Weapons keep Parry, with any other benefits they have. And GK can Master Craft a lot of Nemesis Weapons. :tu: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245705-do-regular-grey-knights-get-an-invuln/#findComment-2972283 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamsight Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 been told by a black shirt the 6th leak is a load of ;) would be nice to have parry but untill 6th is out I am not taking anything for granted Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245705-do-regular-grey-knights-get-an-invuln/#findComment-2972360 Share on other sites More sharing options...
number6 Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 People need to stop putting any stock whatsoever in those "leaked" 6e PDFs. They are clearly fan-made. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245705-do-regular-grey-knights-get-an-invuln/#findComment-2972364 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 There's some support they aren't Number6. I don't think it's as clear cut as GW would like it to be. But I guess we'll only know for sure when 6th is released. Edit: And until 6th is released, what's the harm in discussing and digesting these 'leaks'? They've reinvigorated interest in 40k, and are quite a good rule set on thier own, even if they turn out to be nothing to do with the official release. Besides, at the worst, they're a nice take on the things in rencet Codexes that don't currently makes sense, but will do in 6th. Like Pefered Enemy and Heavy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245705-do-regular-grey-knights-get-an-invuln/#findComment-2972380 Share on other sites More sharing options...
number6 Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 I agree: no real harm. But I do actually worry that people are starting to make army list decisions based on these PDFs. That's unwarranted. And GW has been definitive: these aren't the real rules. Read carefully and thoroughly, you can easily see copy-pasta of most of the rumors that have been floating around the interwebs for the past year + a massive increase in the number and complexity of special rules. It's that latter portion that is a particular clue as to their illegitmacy, IMHO. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245705-do-regular-grey-knights-get-an-invuln/#findComment-2972537 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Holy Heretic Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Yup, it would be more in tune with GW just to remove points values and let people deploy their entire armies. WAACers would have to spend loads to win, and the rest already know that the game isn't balanced ^_^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245705-do-regular-grey-knights-get-an-invuln/#findComment-2972600 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 What like IG in Dawn of War? Seriously though, there is most likely some grain of truth in these rules. And I don't think *anyone* belives these are the bona-fide as will be released 6th edition rules. But you'd have to have a *very* compelling arguement to suggest that this isn't some early play test document, and that 6th isn't going to function similarily to these rules. No, you probably don't want to go out and buy a new PAGK box to make 4 Incinerator dudes and a NFF Justicar. But who's suggesting that anyway? ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245705-do-regular-grey-knights-get-an-invuln/#findComment-2972803 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Oddly enough, I've noted nothing from the "leaked" rule set would make me change the comp of my army, as my comp is already based on what I feel is the best I personally can do with the codex. The "leaked" ruleset only changes how I'd go about playing, not which units I'll be fielding. From an outsider looking in, I'd be happy if the "leaked" rules do not go into effect for 40k, as there is nothing in the rule set that makes the game fasters. Everything is a special rule ... or has special rules ... or modifies other special rules. I'd rather play a simpler ruleset than one that requires me to put all my "special rules" on flash cards so I can reference them easier while playing (remember the card decks we had in 2nd ed?). Back to the OP, it does appear that our NFWs will not benefit from the "parry" special rule, putting all of our NFS armed PAGK in a spot without an invul save, just like they currently are. And since no other troop selection can be armed with power weapons one every model, its a non-issue (ie, balanced). SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245705-do-regular-grey-knights-get-an-invuln/#findComment-2972809 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurglez Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Well, wolf guard can get power weapons on all models and be scoring. And nipple wing can be scoring and all come with power weapons... 2 off the top of my head ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245705-do-regular-grey-knights-get-an-invuln/#findComment-2972822 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 And both are examples of non-standard troop selection, just like our GKT and Paladins. Balanced. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245705-do-regular-grey-knights-get-an-invuln/#findComment-2972842 Share on other sites More sharing options...
number6 Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 But you'd have to have a *very* compelling arguement to suggest that this isn't some early play test document, and that 6th isn't going to function similarily to these rules. It more strongly resembles a fandex than anything like what GW actually produces. (Again, see intricate interlinking of multiple new special rules.) That and GW says it ain't it. If neither of these convince you that it isn't even a playtest version ... I got nothin'. :) Seems obvious to me, though.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245705-do-regular-grey-knights-get-an-invuln/#findComment-2972962 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Hawk Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Its explicitly stated in the Codex that models without an invul save don't get any buffs from swords. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245705-do-regular-grey-knights-get-an-invuln/#findComment-2977099 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeratil Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 But you'd have to have a *very* compelling arguement to suggest that this isn't some early play test document, and that 6th isn't going to function similarily to these rules. It more strongly resembles a fandex than anything like what GW actually produces. (Again, see intricate interlinking of multiple new special rules.) That and GW says it ain't it. If neither of these convince you that it isn't even a playtest version ... I got nothin'. :tu: Seems obvious to me, though.... It's a hell of a lot of effort for a fake, personally I come down on it being a very early test version, the sort of thing they would send out to the studio employees to test out before they spend the time and effort to spruce it up and do some formatting on the rules. The ruleset itself is fairly good, I've played a couple of test games with it and while there are some problems it's nothing some testing, re-writing and clarification wouldn't sort out. Of course there's the possibility it's a fake but to be honest with the month of FOTR coming up there's not much 40k stuff to talk about. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245705-do-regular-grey-knights-get-an-invuln/#findComment-2977342 Share on other sites More sharing options...
number6 Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 It's a hell of a lot of effort for a fake, personally I come down on it being a very early test version, the sort of thing they would send out to the studio employees to test out before they spend the time and effort to spruce it up and do some formatting on the rules. The ruleset itself is fairly good, I've played a couple of test games with it and while there are some problems it's nothing some testing, re-writing and clarification wouldn't sort out. Of course there's the possibility it's a fake but to be honest with the month of FOTR coming up there's not much 40k stuff to talk about. :P You're talking about people who spend hundreds if not thousands of hours making army lists, building models, and painting models. Spending 3-4 evenings to hack together a set of 40K rules that you've been ruminating over ever since 5th edition hit the streets almost 4 years ago is not really a stretch. I'm far from the only person who recognizes that the "leak" is the work of a fan and not GW. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245705-do-regular-grey-knights-get-an-invuln/#findComment-2977720 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeratil Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Doesn't mean it's a waste of time to give the rules a spin. Now if you start going out and buying/making models based on the rules, then yeah, hold your horses. Nothing wrong with talking/speculating about what's there though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245705-do-regular-grey-knights-get-an-invuln/#findComment-2977744 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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