Gawain Veteris Posted January 25, 2012 Author Share Posted January 25, 2012 I confess I took a bit of artistic licence with the mechanism of the plasma pistol to the extent that the segmented pipe under the fire arm serves as it's coolant vector. I am able to remedy this by adding cooling vents to the backpack and linking the two. In the mean time however I have some concept sketches for you guys to take a look at. These are with regards to the captain model which I've built the base structure of. http://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h451/Zaevin/Templars%20of%20Ultramar%20Commission/043.jpg http://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h451/Zaevin/Templars%20of%20Ultramar%20Commission/045.jpg http://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h451/Zaevin/Templars%20of%20Ultramar%20Commission/046.jpg One of my favourite custom armour techniques is what I call the button abdomen where the abdominal part of the cuirass is replaced with a circular convex plate. Sicarius has one and though it is a tenuous link to the codex model I think it is worth using it here given the image I have in mind. http://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h451/Zaevin/Templars%20of%20Ultramar%20Commission/048-1.jpg The cloak will be grand and billowing, like the chapter master. It will also find itself tucked under a templarish shoulder plate on either the right side or the left. Probably the right. http://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h451/Zaevin/Templars%20of%20Ultramar%20Commission/049-1.jpg With the Balian of Ibelin (Kingdom of Heaven ftw) option (right) either #1 or #2 would be at the hip, so the captain will not be without a helmet. Thanks for all your comments guys. Let me know what you think of this latest rendition of the captain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glaeken Templaris Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Nice models bud, but cant help but resist a shudder seeing the words templar and ultramar together in a chapter name. hehe keep up the great work bud, awesome minis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawain Veteris Posted January 25, 2012 Author Share Posted January 25, 2012 I personally would have gone with Knights of Ultramar, or Knights of Calth for example, but that's not my call :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teku Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 I love the conversion work! Very nice stuff and awesome green stuff skills! Thats a big 10/10! Don't get me wrong on what I say next. Just the Black Templar in my speaking. I love count as armies! "But Templars of Ultramar? Damn you made allmost fall from my chair! Just go and call them Black Templars? Templars of Ultramar? What's next? Angels of Ultramar? Burn you heretic!!" Kudos on the work!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawain Veteris Posted January 25, 2012 Author Share Posted January 25, 2012 Just like to throw this out there, though I personally don't object to the name as I have no real steak in either chapter I see where you're coming from. In pure linguistic terms it doesn't have a great ring to it. The reason I would suggest Knights of Calth for example is because there are fewer syllables, it rolls of the tongue, it implies both chapters without saying both their names and there is enough hint that they have templars involved with them given all their templar iconography. Again though, not my call. That would be Bigger-than-Jesus' call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigger-than-Jesus Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 It actually has nothing to do with the Black Templars, and everything to do with the Knights Templar, and the Crusades in general. The original models, fluff, what have you, date back to before the Black Templars having anymore than the Armageddon 'dex. The Ultramar bit is unfortunate, however I was a 13 year old Ultra-head at the time, and I'm loathe to change it, if only because of the effort I put into the originals back then. Hell, I broke my ribs painting them and didn't even take a break lol. The use of the Maltese Cross as a chapter badge was purely becuase I wanted to use the Black Templar bits on the minis, but didn't want to change the symbols that are plastered all over them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawain Veteris Posted January 25, 2012 Author Share Posted January 25, 2012 Well there we have it :) As I say, I have no objection to the name as such. I'll bet some of my own chapter creations would turn some heads haha Grey Company, Knights of Ventanus, Red Scimitars and many more... at the moment I'm into the Astral Claws band wagon and I'll be putting up a WIP of a DIY Lugft Huron, claws and all haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminatorinhell Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Either way the captain is going to be an awesome model and I would say go for the unhelmeted head with helmet 1 on his hip. How would you make his head will it be a part or a full sculpt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fivepointedstar Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Your GS-FU is outstanding. I'd be more inclinded to have you sculpt something for me, but there are factors like the huge pond that seperates us, and the money needed. On a second note I like the inital concept for the Chappy, but the wrist mounted plasma pistol is by far to bulky to be. Its looks more like a combi plasmagun, or a plasma blaster than a pistol. other than that sweet models. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawain Veteris Posted January 25, 2012 Author Share Posted January 25, 2012 Maybe full sculpt but most likely if I choose that head combo it'll be based on a BA head or a SW head with additional hair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigger-than-Jesus Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 I'm kinda gonna step in here & say that I hate bare heads on marines, and want all these to be wearing helmets. Of the two, I definitely prefer #1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawain Veteris Posted January 25, 2012 Author Share Posted January 25, 2012 Noted. I'll begin work on him tomorrow. I'm off now gents, it's Burns' night. Good Hunting Brothers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghetia Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Looking good so far, are you painting them yourself or is the customer going to do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Injek Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Haggis for all! Well, "all", if you're name is Robert or a variation thereof, or Burns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigger-than-Jesus Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Looking good so far, are you painting them yourself or is the customer going to do that? That would be something I'm doing myself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawain Veteris Posted February 2, 2012 Author Share Posted February 2, 2012 Hey everyone, Sorry that I've not posted for several days/ a week. I have no excuse other than how busy I've been at uni. I have made progress on the captain however and i've only to make the finishing touches on him before he's done. The honourguard are also on the go, aswell as the banner. I must say I had particular trouble with the wings on the banner but I think that they have a certain charm to them. I have yet to produce the motto on the bottom of the banner or the tabbards of most of the honourguard but I think they are fairly self explanatory. If not, the honourguard (excluding the ancient and chapter champion) will be posed like running Grey Knights. The chapter champion will be posed to have a nemesis force falshion (honourblade) and nemesis force sword (relic blade) crossed in challenge. The ancient will be holding an axe. One halberd for the honourguard will be shaped like one prong of a maltese cross much like a piece of templar concept art where the edge of a sword is the shape of a maltese cross. Without further ado here are some pictures of how the project is doing. http://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h451/Zaevin/Templars%20of%20Ultramar%20Commission/040.jpg Here is the honourguard as they stand tonight. Take note of the sculpted banner. http://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h451/Zaevin/Templars%20of%20Ultramar%20Commission/037-1.jpg I will sculpt a templar symbol inbetween these two wings. The plate underneath is meant to symbolise a sword brethren shoulder plate. http://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h451/Zaevin/Templars%20of%20Ultramar%20Commission/017.jpg This is how i do my circular plate armour, i cut away the abdomen piece of the cuirass and replace it with a circular plate. For examples of this armour without a surplice covering the top half please see my WIP Alpharius and Ingo Pech. The Sicarius I posted on there has similar work on his chest. http://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h451/Zaevin/Templars%20of%20Ultramar%20Commission/021-1.jpg I feel that representing texture in the almost Hessian surplices that a marine would wear is very important, hence the 'scratches'. http://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h451/Zaevin/Templars%20of%20Ultramar%20Commission/041-1.jpg This is the captain as he stands. http://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h451/Zaevin/Templars%20of%20Ultramar%20Commission/042.jpg This is just a first layer of the cloak. I shall be posting a tutorial on my method of Gstuff cloaks shortly featuring the progress of this model's cloak. http://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h451/Zaevin/Templars%20of%20Ultramar%20Commission/043-1.jpg I will sculpt a templar symbol inbetween these two wings to serve as the chapter symbol for this stand in Sicarius. Comments welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Cool stuff. Might I ask want you used for the backpack upper vents on the champion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawain Veteris Posted February 2, 2012 Author Share Posted February 2, 2012 Cool stuff. Might I ask want you used for the backpack upper vents on the champion? I'm not entirely sure as to what you are refering? The only backpack on this page is the chapter master's and that is a Grey Knight pack. Hope this helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loyal Lunawolf Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 how much are you charging to do this army? just asking because i might get mine sculpted ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Michaels Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 how much are you charging to do this army? just asking because i might get mine sculpted ;) sorry i was logged into my old account aha B) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gawain Veteris Posted February 2, 2012 Author Share Posted February 2, 2012 how much are you charging to do this army? just asking because i might get mine sculpted sorry i was logged into my old account aha Well whoever you are ;) (be it Loyal Lunawolf or Brother Michaels) the answer to your question is that it depends on the models. There are numerous factors which influence the pricing such as bits required, time taken to produce them, level of detail, quality and so on. Also worth considering is where you are in the world haha Unless you take a flattering interest in my work I would not recommend commissioning something if you live in the USA for example due to postage costs and other complications and so forth. Strictly speaking my commission in this project is to produce only the honourguard, the chapter master, a captain and a chaplain for a DIY chapter. Each model costs a different amount but for a model at Sicarius quality (see link below) it would likely cost around £30 give or take, according to the criteria above. I've never been commissioned to produce an army before though haha I imagine the average trooper would be somewhat cheaper unless there is some specific look which requires extensive conversion. http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...t=0&start=0 Sorry to have rambled on but there you have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Cool stuff. Might I ask want you used for the backpack upper vents on the champion? I'm not entirely sure as to what you are refering? The only backpack on this page is the chapter master's and that is a Grey Knight pack. Hope this helps. Apologies, I should have been more clear. The bloke I was calling "champion" (because I was stupidly too lazy to check the first page) is the Chapter Master, yes. The top pokey-outey bits (the vents), you converted half way down page one from the stock model to something similar to Helbrechts back pack. Might I ask what you used for it (besides GS)? :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawain Veteris Posted February 2, 2012 Author Share Posted February 2, 2012 Apologies, I should have been more clear. The bloke I was calling "champion" (because I was stupidly too lazy to check the first page) is the Chapter Master, yes. The top pokey-outey bits (the vents), you converted half way down page one from the stock model to something similar to Helbrechts back pack. Might I ask what you used for it (besides GS)? No need to apologise at all I know what you mean now. I remove the vents from the Grey Knight back pack and square off the now slanted ventless sides. I replace the vents with half the end of a meltagun each. Hope this helps, I may add a short tutorial later on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawain Veteris Posted February 2, 2012 Author Share Posted February 2, 2012 Apologies, I should have been more clear. The bloke I was calling "champion" (because I was stupidly too lazy to check the first page) is the Chapter Master, yes. The top pokey-outey bits (the vents), you converted half way down page one from the stock model to something similar to Helbrechts back pack. Might I ask what you used for it (besides GS)? No need to apologise at all I know what you mean now. I remove the vents from the Grey Knight back pack and square off the now slanted ventless sides. I replace the vents with half the end of a meltagun each. Hope this helps, I may add a short tutorial later on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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