Chaos_Lord888 Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Hi, I'm a recently new SW player and I just wanted to know if running a Logan Wing was good, and if yes, what are the pro/cons and do/don't. Also, if I do a Logan Wing, should I just stick with Logan and termies or should I also use other kind of units like Long Fangs and the Rune Priest (which is really good in my opinion. Thx for your answers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245748-logan-wolf-wing-newcomer-with-questions/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niiai Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 A Logan wing is really cool, it is judged to be somewhere between OK competetive to semi uncompetetive. The two primery obstacels is that Logan cost very mutch himself, so you will not be playing him on lover point values, and the fact that grey hunters, who is a troop choise and you need troops is so very very very good. Some people consider grey hunters to be better then wolf guard, even if they both are scoring. The problem is that often it is easier to kill one tactical dreandought armour at 2+/3++ then it is to kill two 3+/-. Iften this is because of cover (as it now is 2+/4++ and two 3+/4++) and the fact that grey hunters get cheap weaponds, and the wolf banner. Also, in my personal opinion the logal wing suffers a bit because a death wing(?) dark angel will often be cheaper and just as good. The dark angel will have axes to 40 point thunderhammer/stormshield, some storm bolters, storm fists and a cyclone missile launcher. Wolf guards fast cost a -lott- if points with all the toys, and combi weaponds can only be used once. However, there are some bright things with logan wing. Logan is a CC beast, and if you want to you can stick him with multi melta long fangs who get relentless! Especialy apealing in a drop pod based list. You can also have a group with combi plasma's that drop pod late and just unleash hell on whatever poor deathstar you have gotten out of a transport. Moast lists, withouth eldars, runn some sort of melle unit that has to be dealth with. "Sueside" combi plasma is good for that, and they are scoring. If you do not want to use drop pods then land raiders are also good for getting logan to the fight. Second, you can mix power armour and terminator armour in the wolf guard units, and I think here a lott of the good stuff in a logal list could be lying. I do not know how to abuse it, but you can get many cyclone missile launchers and wound location shenaigans (the lascannor shot goes on the 18 power armour and not the 70 point terminator.) Also, Logan frees up your elite slots letting you take kick ass lone wolves, scouts or dreadnoughts all who are very good in the right list. (Lone wolves should be kept cheap and walk behind rhino's / landraiders, do not take them in a pure drop pod list.) While taking cyclone missile launchers are cool, it must be sead that they are cheaper on long fangs and you should use your wolf guard special weapons on heavy flamers (cheap and dangerus!) or assault cannon (good vs everything.) I hope this helps. Also, look on the space wolves blog, they have some good articels, although it is not everything I agree with. http://space-wolves-grey.blogspot.com/search?q=logan+wing http://www.3plusplus.net/search/label/Loganwing Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245748-logan-wolf-wing-newcomer-with-questions/#findComment-2972496 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune_Priest_Rhapsody Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Logan Wing is a unique and trying army to play, but it comes with great rewards as well. Don't forget that you can also take power armored Wolf Guard as scoring units with in your build as well. Footslooging is slow and dangerous, but can be done with ample cover. I prefer Drop Pods as the transport of choice due to the low cost. Even though you can take Cyclone Missile Launchers for every five models you take, I would recommend taking some additional fire support and Long Fangs are both fluffy and very playable. Their ability to switch up targets can really be helpful, at least I've never once had it go wrong!! The main thing that took me a while to figure out and perfect was the size and load out of my units along side what their role on the battlefield is to be. Once you have this down, your army will perform much better. I know that's a rather broad statement, but I am not one to tell people what to play, only make suggestions. I love my TDARP, and not only because he holds my online persona. Anti-psycher, many great abilities, and all at a low points cost make a Rune Priest one of the best and highly cost effective HQ's in our codex, dare I say the game (take that other chapters)!! I tried to pilot a dedicated Wolf Wing under 2000 points and found it very hard to get points on the field due to 1)Logan's high point cost 2) the TDAWG's high point cost, which leads to 3) not to many points left for the much needed support that this type of army needs once your troops slots have been filled. Again, I am not saying to not play the lower points levels, just to me cautious of going too far overboard with the upgrades. Think 'cheap and cheerful' to quote Adam from the Space Wolves Grey Blog. I have been playing around with Thunder Wolf Cavalry lately to much enjoyment. Keep in mind, I am a highly fluffy player though. The giant wolves are good and can chew through most units but if you use them, don't throw them at your opponents as they die just like everything else in this game does. Much like the Lone Wolf. Also Dreadnoughts with twin Twin Linked Autocannons are great fire support and can help with that above mentioned fire support. Really it comes down to what YOU want to play, and how you want to play it. I hope my thoughts provide you with some form of inspiration. I am not an expert, but I am a devoted Wolf Wing player whose brain you may feel free to pick. Good luck and welcome to the Fang!! End of Line Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245748-logan-wolf-wing-newcomer-with-questions/#findComment-2972502 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrikthegrim Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 And remember that half of your pods must come in on turn 1. You may want to throw in some lower point WG or GH to keep your better units from being shot to pieces if you go first. That was the biggest problem i had anyway. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245748-logan-wolf-wing-newcomer-with-questions/#findComment-2972566 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the emperor is scottish Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Not to sound like to much of a fool but what exactly is a Logan Wing list? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245748-logan-wolf-wing-newcomer-with-questions/#findComment-2972659 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niiai Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Try pushing the links I posted Mr. emperor Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245748-logan-wolf-wing-newcomer-with-questions/#findComment-2972663 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Kezef Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 The problem with Loganwing is the instant reaction: "OOOOH SW terminator army!" The problem is if you go solely with termie wolfguard, you are gimping yourself. Wolfguard are the most expensive Terminators out there, a thunder hammer + Stormshield WG terminator is more expensive than a Grey Knight Paladin! You need to balance everything carefully and not go overboard on the Terminators. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245748-logan-wolf-wing-newcomer-with-questions/#findComment-2972684 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chodjinn Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 Run logan with 3-4 TDA squads, mixed armour if you fancy. Combi weapons are your friend here, cheap and plentiful. Wolf claws are a must for the reroll to wound, and a storm shield per squad minimum for inv save. +1-3 Grey Hunter units +Rune Priests +2-3 Long fangs +2-3 Land Speeders and depending on points build from there I add Ragnar for some fun deathstar drop pod nastiness with a squad of grey hunters. + Wolf Priests where possible, the preferred enemy is a massive bonus. If you're running a Loganwing buy cheap HQ (standard Rune/Wolf Priests) for support unless over 2.5k ish, the price of logan + disadvantages of low model count outweighs the benefit of having other special characters, hence the need for a couple of solid gery hunter squads. No one can argue against having a few grey hunter units as I think it makes a much more competative list. Long fangs + cyclones are almost always needed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245748-logan-wolf-wing-newcomer-with-questions/#findComment-2973644 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niiai Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 I do not understand why people go for the cyclone missile launcher exept vs side armour. A cyclone missile launchers first cost you 4 wolf guards and then 63 minimum for 2 missile shots, while 2 long fang missile shots first cost you 15, and then 50. I would use my special weapon on something else then missiles as the long fangs just do it better. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245748-logan-wolf-wing-newcomer-with-questions/#findComment-2973815 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 what heavy weapon would you pick on your terminators then? the heavyflamer which will have it's occasional use, or the assault cannon? a big bonus about the CML is that you can leave it with the wolf guard pack to give them an 48" radius in which they can hurt the opponent, or have him join a long fangs pack, or even a grey hunterpack that need to keep an objective in your deploymentzone Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245748-logan-wolf-wing-newcomer-with-questions/#findComment-2973944 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firenze Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 Not to sound like to much of a fool but what exactly is a Logan Wing list? A logan-wing list is a list devised around using almost purely TDA armoured Wolf guard led by Logan Grimnar. Hard hitting and deadly. Most use droppods to make it alot more like Deathwing lists. Myself, I prefer LR's and some Long Fang and Grey hunter Backup... Gives alot more bodies for your points. And some more range. what heavy weapon would you pick on your terminators then? the heavyflamer which will have it's occasional use, or the assault cannon? a big bonus about the CML is that you can leave it with the wolf guard pack to give them an 48" radius in which they can hurt the opponent, or have him join a long fangs pack, or even a grey hunterpack that need to keep an objective in your deploymentzone A couple of CMLs and an Assualt cannon or two... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245748-logan-wolf-wing-newcomer-with-questions/#findComment-2973956 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune_Priest_Rhapsody Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 I do not understand why people go for the cyclone missile launcher exept vs side armour. A cyclone missile launchers first cost you 4 wolf guards and then 63 minimum for 2 missile shots, while 2 long fang missile shots first cost you 15, and then 50. I would use my special weapon on something else then missiles as the long fangs just do it better. Depending on the points I'm playing and the number of models with a CML I have, I'll put them in with LF's and/or GH's. And as hendrik stated, giving a squad additional firepower (at a 48inch range) will never hurt you. If nothing else it is a viable option that keeps the army type (Wolf Wing) true to what the theme of it is supposed to be, no matter how fluffy that is. End of Line Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245748-logan-wolf-wing-newcomer-with-questions/#findComment-2974028 Share on other sites More sharing options...
postal105 Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 Hi, I'm a recently new SW player and I just wanted to know if running a Logan Wing was good, and if yes, what are the pro/cons and do/don't. Also, if I do a Logan Wing, should I just stick with Logan and termies or should I also use other kind of units like Long Fangs and the Rune Priest (which is really good in my opinion. Thx for your answers. well long fangs can be useful if you need to take out tanks to get at the troops in the tanks better or B ) take out horde army's rune priests yea take 1 or 2 and heck to fit the them of your army put them in TDA. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245748-logan-wolf-wing-newcomer-with-questions/#findComment-2974073 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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