JarrodB Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 I realise that this may have already been answered, but when I searched it didn't come up. Does anyone know the bolter variant used in the GC and pre HH? Thanks Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245769-great-crusade-and-heresy-bolter-variants/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grotsmasha Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 I realise that this may have already been answered, but when I searched it didn't come up. Does anyone know the bolter variant used in the GC and pre HH? Thanks Forge World has three available for its GC armour Mks UMBRA UMBRA FERROX PHOBOS Any of these are safe, as are any 3rd ed. SM bolters you may have stashed round. Cheers, Jono Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245769-great-crusade-and-heresy-bolter-variants/#findComment-2972967 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 I honestly can't add anything to that. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245769-great-crusade-and-heresy-bolter-variants/#findComment-2972968 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JarrodB Posted January 21, 2012 Author Share Posted January 21, 2012 Thanks guys, knew someone would know. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245769-great-crusade-and-heresy-bolter-variants/#findComment-2973457 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EPK Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 ... as are any 3rd ed. SM bolters you may have stashed round. http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads..._4130_55600.jpg I believe this would be the original 3rd ed. bolter that Forge World has emulated. I got lucky and had many of these left over. The Forge World versions are obviously more detailed though. I'm not sure if they would be considered Umbra, Phobos or a different pattern all together considering the differences (which is likely just due to GW giving them minimal detailing back then). EDIT: I stand corrected, what Veteran Sergeant shows below is exactly the sprues I had. 2nd edition will obviously work. If 3rd edition bolters are identical to modern ones, I think I would stay away from them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245769-great-crusade-and-heresy-bolter-variants/#findComment-2982065 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veteran Sergeant Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 That's actually a 2nd Edition Bolter. 3rd Edition's multi-part plastics (which are essentially identical to the modern ones) introduced the bolter that is still in use today. Here is a 2nd Edition SM sprue: http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2012/1/25/321511_md-Old%20Sprue.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245769-great-crusade-and-heresy-bolter-variants/#findComment-2982654 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TennisBall Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 That 2nd ed bolter is what the space marine bike bolters are based on. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245769-great-crusade-and-heresy-bolter-variants/#findComment-2984016 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molloch Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 Forge World has three available for its GC armour Mks UMBRA UMBRA FERROX PHOBOS Any of these are safe, as are any 3rd ed. SM bolters you may have stashed round. Cheers, Jono Specifically they described the Phobos as being artificer-crafted by the Mechanicum at the beginning of the Great Crusade, then the Umbra and Umbra Ferrox were developed when the materiel demands of the Crusade required faster production - no lower in quality but mass-produced. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245769-great-crusade-and-heresy-bolter-variants/#findComment-2984218 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodunius Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 That's actually a 2nd Edition Bolter. 3rd Edition's multi-part plastics (which are essentially identical to the modern ones) introduced the bolter that is still in use today. Here is a 2nd Edition SM sprue: http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2012/1/25/321511_md-Old%20Sprue.jpg That was the standard sprue for the entirety of 2nd edition, but it was actually an RT sprue: it first came with the Space Marine Strike Force Box in 1990 (hence the copyright date on the sprue) The Space Marine armour fluff article in WD129 had rather crude sketches (probably concepts) for the power armour marks, all of them holding boltguns: that design was held by both the Mk7 AND the Mk4 whilst the Mk5 & 6 both held the RTB01 style guns. Mk1-3 had more primitive designs. Personally I go with Phobos being the Mk1-3 design (it has multiple holes in the barrel which the other designs didn't - tho it doesn't look like any of them to my eye), the Umbra for the Mk5&6 design and the current plastic design for Mk4 & 7. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245769-great-crusade-and-heresy-bolter-variants/#findComment-2984268 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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