The 13th Goat Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 So Vulkan is still missing in the current HH timeline, as of the most recent book. So, fellow Fire Born, whats your take? Personally, I'd be keen to see if he gets captured and escapes somehow. We have one escapee, one dead. A Primarch prisoner would be an interesting concept. His Legion, all but destroyed and unable to communicate with Terra due to the warp storms catch wind of his capture and set out to find him, led by the Forge Father (starting off the whole questing nature of the role). I'd have him recovered after the Horus has fallen, with Vulkan feeling like he failed. What kind of story would you guys like to see? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245910-oh-vulkan-where-art-thou/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Hmm, I'd prefer something a little more Rambo-ish, at least to start with. Have Vulkan lead astartes pursuers on a merry chase, perhaps with him killing some somehow, before escaping fully or being caught. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245910-oh-vulkan-where-art-thou/#findComment-2974463 Share on other sites More sharing options...
amaze07 Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Hi First time Posting so please bear-with me, Ya this always kinda annoyed me,Vulkan is one of the best primarch's and it's kinda Mean the way he's left out of the loop so far baring promethean sun but that left us wanting to Read more,would be great to find out what happens to him, Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245910-oh-vulkan-where-art-thou/#findComment-2974532 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Taylor Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Personally I would prefer that they left it open ended as in we don't know what happened to him. However, I imagine that it will be picked up at some point and I would probably like to see... # He's Dead # Gone Insane from the losses of his legion # Captured and tormented # On some mad quest to use a piece of technology to fix something Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245910-oh-vulkan-where-art-thou/#findComment-2974541 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Well, we know he survives, as he takes part in the debates over the Codex Astartes, scatters the relics for his Chapter to find, and some records state that he was around for about 3000 years. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245910-oh-vulkan-where-art-thou/#findComment-2974543 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Taylor Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Well, we know he survives, as he takes part in the debates over the Codex Astartes, scatters the relics for his Chapter to find, and some records state that he was around for about 3000 years. I thought he went missing on Isstvan? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245910-oh-vulkan-where-art-thou/#findComment-2974548 Share on other sites More sharing options...
amaze07 Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 ya true he survive's but it would be interesting to see Vulkan as the more humane and Human careing primarch smash some Traitor Scum on Isttvan,etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245910-oh-vulkan-where-art-thou/#findComment-2974551 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Well, we know he survives, as he takes part in the debates over the Codex Astartes, scatters the relics for his Chapter to find, and some records state that he was around for about 3000 years. I thought he went missing on Isstvan? He did go missing, but obviously he got found later. There are numerous sources (such as various IA articles, the Space Marine codex, and First Founding, the Deathwatch supplement) mentioning stuff he did after Istvaan, so he can't have died there. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245910-oh-vulkan-where-art-thou/#findComment-2974573 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimdarkness Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 I'd like to see his return to nocturn and how the legion sorts itself out. Vulkan and the salamanders don't seem the kind of legion to sit out the rest of the hersay. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245910-oh-vulkan-where-art-thou/#findComment-2974578 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Kezef Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 You guys just don't get it. If all the primarchs represented a mighty general from a different nation, Vulkan would be British. He's done what all Brits do after a defeat, he's buggered off to the NAAFI for a cup of tea. He'll be back to win the war after a nice brew. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245910-oh-vulkan-where-art-thou/#findComment-2974593 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Hawk Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Words cannot describe how awesome that post was. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245910-oh-vulkan-where-art-thou/#findComment-2974735 Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Foes Remain Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 You guys just don't get it. If all the primarchs represented a mighty general from a different nation, Vulkan would be British. He's done what all Brits do after a defeat, he's buggered off to the NAAFI for a cup of tea. He'll be back to win the war after a nice brew. One sugar or two? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245910-oh-vulkan-where-art-thou/#findComment-2974745 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon950 Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 From what I remember reading is that he gets draged into a transport and somehow makes it to a ship and ends back up on his home planet where he sits out the rest of the war. Maybe the story for the salamander isn't what happened during the war, but maybe what happened when the emperor was still leading the forces of the imperium. Would be nice to finally get the story of the campaign that happened before the emperor made horus warmaster. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245910-oh-vulkan-where-art-thou/#findComment-2974776 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 @dragon950: If Vulkan just kept to his planet in recovery it would make for a very interesting novel/self-help book =) "Suffer not the physiotherapist" I think it's pretty great that there's a blank slate in the Heresy role of one of the least mentioned Chapters in the conflict. From what I've read, Deliverance Lost made the Raven Guard justice. Let's just hope that the same happens to the Salamanders. It's hard to guess what was Vulkan up to after Isstvan. I like the "prisoner" idea, but above all I'd like to see him more developed in terms of mindset. Promethean Sun seemed to portray him as a value-oriented man, very mindful of the value of life and without any of that warlord-charisma other Primarchs have. Plus, you can see he still relishes a good fight and is immensely strong. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245910-oh-vulkan-where-art-thou/#findComment-2974809 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brannick Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 In Galaxy In Flames it is mentionsed that Vulkan visits the Emperor on Terra whilst accompanied by Dorn (this being prior to Isstvan). I sense this could quite easily be utilised somewhere along the line: - The Emperor tips off Vulkan but he still goes to the dropsite regardless. - The Emperor gives him some great gift that enables him to survive beyond even Primarch odds. - etc Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245910-oh-vulkan-where-art-thou/#findComment-2974958 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 You guys just don't get it. If all the primarchs represented a mighty general from a different nation, Vulkan would be British. He's done what all Brits do after a defeat, he's buggered off to the NAAFI for a cup of tea. He'll be back to win the war after a nice brew. One sugar or two? Only two? I'd reckon he'd be into Builders Tea. Strong brew, plenty of sugar. About ten'll do it. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245910-oh-vulkan-where-art-thou/#findComment-2974963 Share on other sites More sharing options...
calgar101 Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 I would say he escapes and tries to get back to Nocturne to rebuild his legion but is hampered by the traitors. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245910-oh-vulkan-where-art-thou/#findComment-2974969 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Maybe left after the Heresy to try and find more ancient tech built similar to the Golden Throne? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245910-oh-vulkan-where-art-thou/#findComment-2975061 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimdarkness Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Well according to Nocturn not even the sals know what happened so his background may change. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245910-oh-vulkan-where-art-thou/#findComment-2975194 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 The short story in Age of Darkness about the Sally with post-war trauma (it still sounds unbelievable whenever I think about it) tells of Vulkan yelling 'Perturabo' while he flips tanks like it's nothing. So maybe his post-Isstvan time was spent bringing down some Iron Warriors operations. Then again, that's the Imperial Fists' department. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245910-oh-vulkan-where-art-thou/#findComment-2975623 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyJ Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 I think the HH story council have something big planned for Vulkan and the Sallies. Plenty of books have mention of him, but none seem to have any direct encounters as I remember. ADB has mentioned previously that they all get together and agree on the general direction of the books. With the amount of times the "mystery" of Vulkans whereabouts has been mentioned, it would be remiss of them not to resolve it and I reckon the mentions have been put in deliberately. I predict something big, and something very very different. I reckon we're gonna be thrown a curveball on Vulkan sometime soon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245910-oh-vulkan-where-art-thou/#findComment-2975696 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 13th Goat Posted January 24, 2012 Author Share Posted January 24, 2012 I would say he escapes and tries to get back to Nocturne to rebuild his legion but is hampered by the traitors. So basically Deliverance Lost but with a Salamander on the cover? I think they'll try and do something with him, even if it is tackled in a short story kind of way. The short story in Age of Darkness about the Sally with post-war trauma (it still sounds unbelievable whenever I think about it) tells of Vulkan yelling 'Perturabo' while he flips tanks like it's nothing. So maybe his post-Isstvan time was spent bringing down some Iron Warriors operations. Then again, that's the Imperial Fists' department. It was only Dorn's axe to grind after the seige. The Salamander's liberating Iron Keep populations from Iron Warriors as Vulkan tries to claw back revenge against Perturabo would definatly be cool, and not because it features my two fav legions. Hell, I'd write it like this: Vulkan gets captured by Perturabo, who has Word Bearers mentally break down the Primarch telling him he failed and that his legion are dead. They also play on how the Emperor can be for the people when he demands so much. Wanting to finish the job on the remaining Salamanders, Perturabo lets the knowledge of his capture known, hoping to lure them into a trap. Dispite being ordered to return to Terra, the Salamanders gather forces and mount a rescue effort against the Iron Warriors, who try and trap them in one of their deadly fortresses (for the sake of argument, called the "Dragonsbain"). As they fight, the Salamander's get a small force to their Primarch, who is mentally battered and broken. Trying to escape, they and are trapped, and as one of the rescuers dies (and no doubt after a number of Promethean Creed readings from a fellow Astartes) Vulkan regains his composure and breaks his Legion out of the death trap using smart tactics a brute force. The battle cost the Salamander's even more troops, but severly damaged teh Iron Warriors stationed there. Vulkan orders his legion back to Nocturne to rebuild, but they miss the end of the Heresy before they are back to strength. Now, someone send this to AD-B and tell him to get it sorted. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245910-oh-vulkan-where-art-thou/#findComment-2975904 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 That's what we of Earth (that is, Terra) call a good idea, mate. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245910-oh-vulkan-where-art-thou/#findComment-2976271 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeratil Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 I see a Salamanders book being similar in theme to Deliverance Lost, but totally different in execution. Corax does what the Raven Guard does best, uses his intelligence and skill to forge an unexpected path to revuild his legion so they can take the fight to the enemy with Great Vengeance. My impression of Vulkan is that he would rebuild his legion through the traditional means, much slower than Corax, but with a long term vision for their future. So it would take the form of the traditional recruitment process for Astartes. Now, Vulkan is not needed for this process, the veterans of the legion that survive Istvaan can more than handle the recruitment and training of a new generation of veterans, so I would like to see a book centered mostly on the Primarch, maybe with a small group of salamanders with him (one of them would make a good POV character) as he journeys across the Imperium scattering his relics and aiding the other forces of the Imperium (something the Salamanders are traditionally in favour of - see Helsreach + Tome of Fire). It gives a nice contrast how two very different primarchs handle the same problem (rebuilding their legions and aiding in the defeat of Horus.) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245910-oh-vulkan-where-art-thou/#findComment-2977855 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazmac Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 You guys just don't get it. If all the primarchs represented a mighty general from a different nation, Vulkan would be British. He's done what all Brits do after a defeat, he's buggered off to the NAAFI for a cup of tea. He'll be back to win the war after a nice brew. One sugar or two? Only two? I'd reckon he'd be into Builders Tea. Strong brew, plenty of sugar. About ten'll do it. :) more like irsh coffee with the space wolves Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245910-oh-vulkan-where-art-thou/#findComment-2977908 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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