empty choke Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 I did mention it, mate. =) It's a great part of that story, and that strength, coupled with Vulkan's somewhat discrete/timid and understanding personality, provides great material for a story in which he's imprisoned and subject to a great deal of mind-beat, until he finally snaps and elbow drops an entire fortress. I have a feeling that his HH book will be alot like A thousand sons.. Alot of background story and only a tiny bit of action, but that action WILL be epic! Whatever we eventually find out about Vulkans survival and escape from Istvaan I hope its as truelly as epic as some of the scenarios i can imagine. Im imagining a broken and bloodied Vulkan dragged from the Field of Battle and imprisoned by one of the Traitor Legions. Im kind of hping its the Emperors Children. Hes shackled and restrained somewhere deep in a Fortres or Battlebarge and continously forced to witness the the horror of the continuing Heresy. Human Populations exterminated, his own warriors brought before him to be tortured to death. For the most humane of all the Primarchs this even more than teh constant physical torture he is subjected to is gradually breaking his mind. But all the while his anger, hatred and resolve is building. And at some point somebody get careless. Then its "Hulk Smash" time. Have wonderful mental images of an insane with grief and rage Vulkan rampaging through a Traitor Legions Stronghold. Who knows who else he may encounter/free and what form his actual escape and return to the Imperium may take. But I just feel its going to be good. "David Banner, I just slashed your tires. RAGGHHHHH! FOR THE EMPEROR!." (proceeds to as noted above, Elbow-drop an ENTIRE fortress/cruiser.) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245910-oh-vulkan-where-art-thou/page/3/#findComment-2991498 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fission Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 first of all sorry for my poor english In Promethean Sun we know that the Emperor have maid Vulkan to be the most human of the primarch . I think that the Emperor have think about he can be defeated by Horus so maybe he ave thought about Vulkan to make a long long long term mission to make him come back , or something else , thats why maybe Vulkan have done his quest of the nine artefact , after the drop site massacre , as a special mission for the emperor .... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245910-oh-vulkan-where-art-thou/page/3/#findComment-2993064 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbdevega Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 first of all sorry for my poor english In Promethean Sun we know that the Emperor have maid Vulkan to be the most human of the primarch . I think that the Emperor have think about he can be defeated by Horus so maybe he ave thought about Vulkan to make a long long long term mission to make him come back , or something else , thats why maybe Vulkan have done his quest of the nine artefact , after the drop site massacre , as a special mission for the emperor .... thats an interesting thought, that the artifacts are bigger then the Chapter... Im actually rather disappointed in some of the artifacts. These artifact are made by Vulkan one of the two greatest artificers in the known galaxy and yet the best he came up with are a glove that shoots fire, a spear that enhances your strength, the salamander mantle is about par, but then that just leaves that laser and the other artifacts that leave us in awe of "these are not that awesome of items". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245910-oh-vulkan-where-art-thou/page/3/#findComment-2994470 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Regarding the current state of the Imperium's technology - which is not awful, but whose advance is deliberately held back - Vulkan's artifacts are indeed special. A forgeship (remember, Salamanders are known for their artificer wargear, so it must be special). A laser defense array (a giant orbital gun is not what comes to mind when you hear the word 'artifact', same applies to the forge) And then you have to think fluff-wise, not in terms of rules: A mantle that offers increased protection is a feat (it's a mantle, for Christ's sake, it should be little more than an aesthetic accessory). The spear is supposed to be so hot it can cut ceramite through sheer temperature alone. Think of the technological complexity of something like that. It's not like a power weapon, which uses a widely-known technology, this is true (and brutal) innovation. A gauntlet-mounted Heavy Flamer is 'meh'? He'stan can burn an enemy squad just by extending his hand while slashing around with the spear, in terms of battlefield practicality and destructive power, this thing has few rivals. In a way, it makes the user the equal of a Librarian who's versed in pyrokinesis. Judging only by their names, the other artifacts must be awesome as well. Remember, the guy built these alone, supposedly. Giant lasers, ship-based forges, hand-sized Heavy Flamers...nothing to 'meh' about, I'd say, mate. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245910-oh-vulkan-where-art-thou/page/3/#findComment-2994723 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegnor Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 I don't think the point of the Artifacts is simply about how good they are in their day to day use. We've seen Vulkan leave relics whose value lies in where they lead the Salamanders and what they teach them, not simply how cool they are in and of themselves. Eg, the chest Da'kir finds that leads them to Scoria, and the Sigil of Vulkan that unlocks a vault etc. I don't think it even follows that the Nine are the best Nine things Vulkan made. All are obviously amazing bits of gear, but for instance I'd say the Spear may yet have another purpose besides being a pig-sticker par excellence. I like to think it might unlock a chamber or clue that the Salamanders haven't found yet. The point of the Quest of the Nine is to lead the Salamanders to where they ultimately need to be in order to best serve the Emperor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245910-oh-vulkan-where-art-thou/page/3/#findComment-2994744 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Well said, you make a great point, sir. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245910-oh-vulkan-where-art-thou/page/3/#findComment-2994755 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fission Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Just to say that the old background of the Horus heresy is very simple for Vulkan : disappear at the Drop Site Massacre and "should" re-appear for the Codex Astartes . That's an "open window" for any good story , without changing the Big story of the Heresy . It should'nt have to be inevitably big battle or mighty stuff . It could be secret mission , like Garro for example . If the BL author can't see the big opportunity to play with a primarch freely I think they make a mistake Edit : Suggestions for what Vulkan do after the Drop Site massacre : 1- He is dead / severely wounded / captured : so he do nothing else during the HH . 2 - He recover from his wounds . But just coming back to Nocturne to rebuild his legion seems to me stupid . He's a loyalist so he must have tried to contact the Emperor / Dorn or the Sigilitte (in the Collected Vision it is said that he have good dealings with Malcador ) . So if he had managed to contact them he must have been given orders from them .... which are ??? any suggestion ? 3 - He stay in his corner , mourning on his family . In the Promethean Sun it is said that the only two primarchs who are close to him are Ferrus and Horus . So the first one is dead and the secound one have betrayed him . Do you think its a good explanation for breaking Vulkan's heart ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245910-oh-vulkan-where-art-thou/page/3/#findComment-3181054 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGPO Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Given that his legion is too badly scarred to take part in the Heresy, and what we know about the character of the Salamanders and Vulkan himself, I like the idea of him leading the defence of the wider Imperium. With what remains of the Pyreguard, Vulkan escapes Isstvan in a ship he has repaired himself and makes his way to the nearest loaylist world standing to find a way back to Nocturne/Terra. The world comes under attack and Vulkan being the man he is stays to lead the defence. As the most humane Primarch he alone is concerned with the fate of ordinary humanity during the Heresy. Commanding human troops he manages to save many worlds from the ravages of chaos which have been otherwise abandoned as tactically unimportant. The genius of a Primarch makes all the difference in spite of the vast disparity of resources defending these planets from the likes of the Emperor's Children, Night Lords and the daemonic hordes breaking through everywhere. Vulkan's actions mean that when the Heresy is over, there is still a wider Imperium left to rebuild. It's exactly the type of great heroism to suit his character, but which could still be forgotten in modern Imperial history. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245910-oh-vulkan-where-art-thou/page/3/#findComment-3182374 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fission Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 Commanding human troops he manages to save many worlds from the ravages of chaos which have been otherwise abandoned as tactically unimportant. The genius of a Primarch makes all the difference in spite of the vast disparity of resources defending these planets from the likes of the Emperor's Children, Night Lords and the daemonic hordes breaking through everywhere. Vulkan's actions mean that when the Heresy is over, there is still a wider Imperium left to rebuild. It's exactly the type of great heroism to suit his character, but which could still be forgotten in modern Imperial history. I love it : good idea . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245910-oh-vulkan-where-art-thou/page/3/#findComment-3183171 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLost Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 You guys just don't get it. If all the primarchs represented a mighty general from a different nation, Vulkan would be British. He's done what all Brits do after a defeat, he's buggered off to the NAAFI for a cup of tea. He'll be back to win the war after a nice brew. love this comment!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245910-oh-vulkan-where-art-thou/page/3/#findComment-3183325 Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrayCatt Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 Just as a though, in ADBs King of Crows novella, Sevatar talks about not wanting to think of the death of his Primarch. He then mentions it is something only one other legion had to face (at the time) and then flashes back to the actions of the Iron Hands after the death of Ferrus Mannus. This, to me, explicitly implies that Vulkan isn't dead, or fully missing ... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245910-oh-vulkan-where-art-thou/page/3/#findComment-3184661 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuclearship Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 Well, we still have Scorched Earth, the novella that is still not on the schedule but will shed lights on the after-event of the massacre Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245910-oh-vulkan-where-art-thou/page/3/#findComment-3186068 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fission Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 I asked Nick Kyme about Scorched Earth . The novella is still with his editor ... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245910-oh-vulkan-where-art-thou/page/3/#findComment-3190815 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewlay Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 Commanding human troops he manages to save many worlds from the ravages of chaos which have been otherwise abandoned as tactically unimportant. The genius of a Primarch makes all the difference in spite of the vast disparity of resources defending these planets from the likes of the Emperor's Children, Night Lords and the daemonic hordes breaking through everywhere. Vulkan's actions mean that when the Heresy is over, there is still a wider Imperium left to rebuild. It's exactly the type of great heroism to suit his character, but which could still be forgotten in modern Imperial history. I like this idea. What if Vulkan was captured by the traitor legions, however the loyalist aren't told because they will launch a recovery mission and Vulkan is told that his Legion is totally destroyed. The traitors try to brake him and convert him to chaos, however he brakes free and makes his way to Nocturne, finding his Legion crippled he uses them to the best of their ability and helps human worlds from traitor attacks (and from turning against the Imperium). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245910-oh-vulkan-where-art-thou/page/3/#findComment-3191599 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fission Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Scorched Earth will be a limited edition novella ..... I am thinking they don't like the Salamanders at the BL.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245910-oh-vulkan-where-art-thou/page/3/#findComment-3230419 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Apparently Vulkan is alive, according to the BL Weekender there's a book due out next year (I think it's next year) called Vulkan Lives. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245910-oh-vulkan-where-art-thou/page/3/#findComment-3230471 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Antipodes Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Quote: Malika666 "VULKAN LIVES - Nick Kyme - ??? The clue is in the title! Although left for dead, Vulkan has survived Isstvan V, and this story explains where he has been and why he hasn't been found earlier." Lets hope they get it right... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245910-oh-vulkan-where-art-thou/page/3/#findComment-3230671 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathwatch/Grey knight Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 did any primarch despised vulcan Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245910-oh-vulkan-where-art-thou/page/3/#findComment-3231841 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billuriye Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 did any primarch despised vulcan Probably not. But Roboute Guilliman says he's an introvert. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245910-oh-vulkan-where-art-thou/page/3/#findComment-3231887 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 According to the Betrayal book and it's chart of allies between legions, most found Vulkan to be a sworn brother with only three being distrusted allies and none of them By the Emperor's Command, which is the worst. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245910-oh-vulkan-where-art-thou/page/3/#findComment-3231889 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathwatch/Grey knight Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 none were by the emperors command every primarch had at least one brother they dislike and one brother they loved horus-sanguinius fulgrim-feruss lion-curze russ-kahn lorgar-magnus ferrus-vulcan guilliman was the worst he only had four brothers who didnt hate him and whats a introvant Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245910-oh-vulkan-where-art-thou/page/3/#findComment-3231894 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 none were by the emperors command every primarch had at least one brother they dislike and one brother they loved horus-sanguinius fulgrim-feruss lion-curze russ-kahn lorgar-magnus ferrus-vulcan guilliman was the worst he only had four brothers who didnt hate him and whats a introvant Actually there's quite a lot of "On the Emperor's Command" in the allies chart, such as the Imperial Fists and Iron Warriors, the Alpha Legion and World Eaters, The Night Lords and Emperor's Children and many more. Recent books point to the Khan being closer to Horus than Leman Russ, in fact it's stated that Russ is exasperated by him or something. Introvert means someone to keeps to himself. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245910-oh-vulkan-where-art-thou/page/3/#findComment-3231907 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathwatch/Grey knight Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 but the reason he commanded was because he knew which primarch hated who im pretty sure that russ stated he was closer to kahn cause their home showed similar cultures and knew honor cant remember which book though similar to vulcan and ferrus each were great weapon smith and no one said they were better then the other and no one hated horus as im concerned Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245910-oh-vulkan-where-art-thou/page/3/#findComment-3231917 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 No I don't think you get what I mean. There's a chart in the Forgeworld Betrayal book which outlines who can ally with who and what type of alliances they'd have, for example legions that are close may be Sworn Brothers, then it deteriorates until you reach "By the Emperor's Command" which basically means they'd only ever fight together if the Emperor Commands them to, they wouldn't do it openly or willingly it'd take the Emperor to Command them to do it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245910-oh-vulkan-where-art-thou/page/3/#findComment-3231927 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathwatch/Grey knight Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 oh sorry i was misreading what you wrote i actually thought you meant he commanded some to never fight side by side my bad i already knew if that anything guilliman woudve been commanded alot if anything the emperor shouldve commanded few legions to work with each other at least 4 years example shouldve been both dorn and perturabo building the defences and form a strong brotherhood and building and impenetrable fortress make magnus and russ work with eachother corax and horus guilliman and lorgar come to think of it lorgar and guilliman would have to work with all legions angron and fulgrim i think the best force would be guilliman and alpharius just imagine that Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/245910-oh-vulkan-where-art-thou/page/3/#findComment-3231936 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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