elithren Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 So I finished Battle of the Fang in the late hours of the night, and I am very pleased with it. But, the conflict with Magnus at the end of the book got me thinking just how the Imperium seems to get the shaft. Of all the traitor primarchs, only 3 are dead that I can think of, Horus, Alpharion, and Konrad Cruz (Batman! lol couldn't resist). All the others are now in a permanent "you cant kill me" state. So being stuck against such highly lethal opponents.......our primarchs abandon us for the Eye of Terror. I mean, really? At least Guillmon went down fighting! In my frustration, I glanced back over the second half of the book and caught the dialogue with Magnus and the Leman Russ statue. *spoiler warning* I'm so glad a traitor primarch knows where our primarch is, who didn't even bother telling his own children where he is or what the heck he is doing. That, and in combination of the epic fight at the end of the book, makes me wonder just how much GW really thought out the current state of fluff and where things are headed. Oh, and lets not forget that a random necron lord has a primarch corpse lying in his collection of trinkets. Now, my faith in the the wolftime is not shaken, but someone please help explain to me how we currently have the shaft fluffwise and yet our codex's will trump Chaos Space Marine any day? (And dont even think about pulling Draigo into this with his "Ima write my name on your heart, daemon primarch" garbage!) Edit: Geared towards us wolves, more venting of frustration on how our fluff makes us lose but gameplay we win. I guess just wanted to know where my Wolf King was and why he didn't seem to care when his home was attacked by his arch nemesis, or that his other brothers go on random killing sprees through imperial space until they get board or Drago pops out of the warp to stop them. Where are you, Leman Russ?!!!!!!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246181-finished-battle-of-the-fang/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Brother 92 Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 jw. which Necro has a primarch?!? I admit it does seem like GW have gone ooooh! lets build everything up for one final conflict and let everyone use their imagination mean-while BL have gone ooooh! they've built everyone up for this final conflict, let's be smart and explain it properly instead of having little tiddly bits of semi-pointless info. I think that maybe alpharius/omegon (whichever one survived) is perhaps not so evil and I still think that the two supposedly 'lost' legions will be the saviours - then again in 10 years GW may well go past 41st Millenium into 42nd the wolftime etc. and somehow despite no-one alive barring the emperor himself knowing how to use it, they'll ressurect him and someone like Magnus or possibly the Eldar Gods will save humanity (or just blow it to kingdom come). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246181-finished-battle-of-the-fang/#findComment-2978749 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 We dont have the shaft fluffwise, but the imperium actually is losing ground- we all but lost the cadian gate, and there are chaos uprisings over a huge section of the northwest galaxy. On the eastern rim the tau have quadrupled in size in less than a decade.... and thats not even including things like nidz. But its not Primarchs that are making us lose ground. Its being out numbered, heavily. The Daemon-primarchs havent ventured out from the warp very often over the last 10,000 years- the last to do so that Im aware of was angron, and he was banished for ~thousand years for his efforts on armageddon. As for our codex being better than the chaos one- that has alot less to do with fluff and more to do with design philosophy. Most of the chaos codex's problems are because at the time it was made GW was trying to streamline and simplify the game to the point of inanity, and when it proved unpopular they went the other way and expanded. Those codices that were made later, under this expand-the-fluff-and-units design tend to be more powerful than earlier models. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246181-finished-battle-of-the-fang/#findComment-2978767 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon950 Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Who needs primarchs when we can have mat ward but his massive ego into one character that kills everything. I'm suprised that in the next codex instead of 100 grey knight terminators it's just draigo that shows up and stops all the bloodthristers and angron by himself. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246181-finished-battle-of-the-fang/#findComment-2978780 Share on other sites More sharing options...
elithren Posted January 27, 2012 Author Share Posted January 27, 2012 Trazyn the infinite is the necron lord with a primarch corpse. He's been collecting things for thousands of years and there isn't much detail as to what primarch he has. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246181-finished-battle-of-the-fang/#findComment-2978788 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Your initial post is somewhat jumbled. Could you edit and specifically state the question you want answered please? There are lots of overlapping themes in the commentary. Much of it off is off topic for The Fang. Please make it precise and relevant to wolves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246181-finished-battle-of-the-fang/#findComment-2978808 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niiai Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 40K is actualy a bad representation of the battles in the 40K universe as moast loyalist battles are imperial guard vs something. Also, moast battles would usualy not pinch 1000 points vs 1000 points. A regular ork clensing would usualy be something like IG having 2/3 times the number of orks point vice, if not even more. The battles we are playing are desperate battles where the ods are even and it will have consequenses (at least in my imagination.) Also, the imperium should be hard pressed, that makes for a more intence setting and better heroes. A spacemarine can truly shine when they are beacons of light in the night. The only once who have it relativaly good in the setting are the Tyranids, and they are quite hard to sympethise with. (Although the necron uprising to chrush the nids could be a huge problem.) And also the chaos daemons have it quite good but they are by difault not avare of it, they are very whimsy personalaties driven by bigger consepts. The loss of the primarcs and the emepror means that the "children" has to be fathers of the house. A good setting. (Although not alle the primarcs are dead dead. 13th crusade hintet at russ, the ultramarines is in stasis? Also something about the dark angel one I think? The white scar one got lost in the wep way? (Presumably he can be the one the necron has caught since some of the necrons have the dolmen gates.)) Also the daemon primarcs have grown quite decadent. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246181-finished-battle-of-the-fang/#findComment-2978820 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Dammit Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 It matters not if Russ is in the land of the living or the land of the dead, he can travel betwean the two realms Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246181-finished-battle-of-the-fang/#findComment-2978849 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niiai Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 With all the odd things happening on Fenris and Russ being abel to read the runes (some psykick potential there) and the myths of Fenrish it would not be so far fetched to think that the wolf cloak of Russ does have some rather odd properties, yes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246181-finished-battle-of-the-fang/#findComment-2978878 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ah-a-nothepsis Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 I am under the impression that Russ didn't tell anyone where he was going because he knew it could be a trap and didn't want his brothers following. One day, he will return when the Imperium is at its weakest. I suspect this has something to do with Magnus willingly "letting him out of a dog cage", so to speak. Maybe I shouldn't be in this forum since I mayyyyy have had my boots and bolter on the ground during the Battle of the Fang, but I disagree that puppies got any sort of shaft. GW has hidden Russ away for a reason. Maybe they don't know the reason, maybe they have no current plan to reveal why, but it is just part of the universe. I kind of like how the Wolves have reasons to fight for many years, even without guidance and while dealing with feelings of abandonment (yes, its there). This way, GW and even Black Library plays into the "loyal dog" theme, and I like that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246181-finished-battle-of-the-fang/#findComment-2978882 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skoll Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 correction not a corpse, everything trazyn has is preserved in a type of stasis , and its hasnt been established its a primarch it could well be one of the custodes who also have baroque power armor Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246181-finished-battle-of-the-fang/#findComment-2978933 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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