Captain Semper Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Well there was the "adversaries" entries in the Deamon/Witch Hunters Codices... The latter is still current too. I do agree (and said so before) that not every aspect of the fluff is, or should be, translating into rules. Be that a Fallen army list or a "hunt the Fallen" kind of special rule. But having said that I am also ready to give the benefit of the doubt. I really would like to see something different for the DAs apart from a mixed loadout for our terminators (and then claim that DW is a non-codex formation just to make us feel better about ourselves)... Anyway there are so many ways to approach the DAs - I guess we have to wait and see... @ Tengo: sharing the book with the Fallen does not mean "allies". In fact as I pointed above it could mean adversaries. C'mon man, losing you to the Wolves... It's just not right. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/2/#findComment-2980433 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interrogator Stobz Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 It could mean we're the test bed for C:SM AND C:CSM, grrrrr. TBH though, I'm really looking forward to having something different too other dexes. Waiting with baited breath and all that..... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/2/#findComment-2980445 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pbenner Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 It would be interesting to see the DA codex being the rulebook for the starter set. The Fallen are still CSM, and a DA vs CSM starter box could be DA vs Fallen release box. I really think that it might be interesting to see. I am really freaking excited now. Paul Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/2/#findComment-2980466 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HJL Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Hmm. Isnt this just a recycling of the old rumor from last year? Then everyone changed their minds, now its all back on again..? Id like a new codex and some new stuff but i think ill beleive it when i see it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/2/#findComment-2980474 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isiah Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 I'm keeping an open mind on this one. On the one had the spines certainly do look DA-ish – even Cypher though that is too early too tell yet (need another spine for that). Personally I don't mind rules for the Fallen in a new DA dex, remember there were rules of a kind for fighting against Cypher and the Fallen in the old 3rd Edition Codex... maybe the actual character and Fallen units make their fuller appearance in the new Chaos Codex (?). Latest rumour is that, yes, back to square one, DA and Chaos in the 6th Edition box set. As HJL says - we've come full circle B). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/2/#findComment-2980524 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Droma Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 All the 5th ed codex's since IG have been designed with 6th ed in mind so I don't really mind if we're the last codex before 6th. I don't think the current codex designers are anywhere near as terrible as another Jervis codex would be so I don't care who does it. (yes that includes ward) I'm hoping the rumor proves true but I won't be broken hearted if it doesn't. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/2/#findComment-2980624 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HsojVvad Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 All this deducted from an incomplete image on 2 WD's? Nah, I'm not getting any hopes up, if anything I prefer not to be last codex of an edition again... Not getting any hopes up either. I said this before, not sure if I said it here though. GW has done this before, putting pics on the spine of WD to make a pic. They did it for the Canadian WD issues but can't remember what they made. I gave up on issue 5 or so and never bought a WD since. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/2/#findComment-2980700 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freman Bloodglaive Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 I recently bought the Cypher model (he fits quite nicely in with a robed army) so this is an interesting rumour. What we may find ourselves able to do is field the same army as loyalist or fallen with an HQ swap. That would be cool. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/2/#findComment-2980742 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Uriah Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Personally I don't mind rules for the Fallen in a new DA dex, remember there were rules of a kind for fighting against Cypher and the Fallen in the old 3rd Edition Codex... maybe the actual character and Fallen units make their fuller appearance in the new Chaos Codex (?). I think that's possible, but also bear in mind that not all Fallen are true CSM. Maybe we'll get rules differentiating the different, post-schismatic types of Dark Angels still loyal to the Emperor, though dogmatically at opposite poles and with rules elaborating on how to properly hate one another, vice the Chaos Fallen that will in all likelihood be represented by generic Chaos Space Marines in the (rumored) upcoming C:CSM. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/2/#findComment-2980759 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeslikethunder Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 It could mean we're the test bed for C:SM AND C:CSM, grrrrr. TBH though, I'm really looking forward to having something different too other dexes. Waiting with baited breath and all that..... This can work both ways 1)oh dear those DA were way too cheap we have make C:SM so much more expensive or 2)Oh dear those DA were way to expensive we will have make C:SM much cheaper. Being just behind C:SM in the Power creep curve can a problem as so many people use it but just maybe GW might feel they owe the DA one and give you a daemons WHFB standard codex. Though then you just become the "count as" army Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/2/#findComment-2980825 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Avoghai Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Well the point 2 might occur but not the 1) I hardly imagine GW nerfing their blockbuster codex the year of 40k 25th anniversary. Only thing I hope if the rumour is true is Jervis remained far from this codex design this time... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/2/#findComment-2980855 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gillyfish Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Well, exciting rumours abound it seems. It wouldn't surprise me if the Codex were done or close to completion in some manner - we know that GW work far in advance on a number of Codex books and that an army list can be completed well in advance but then held up if there are other issues, such as casting that require additional work. So the release schedule switches. If that's the case, it may well be that a lot of the rumoured books are ready and just waiting to be launched. 6th edition would also have been prepared at around that time so many of the rules should match what's in the books 9but no guarantees, of course), so I'm less concerned about us potentially being the last book in the cycle. However, most of the rumours seem to state that the DA will be in the box set - there's a lot of assumption about the DA army list being released around that time too. I would have thought that, in that context, a release after the box set would have made more sense... We'll see I suppose. :huh: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/2/#findComment-2980911 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 I have seen rumors that both the 6th edition (which basically these books have to be at this point) Da and BT codexes are written. Its only a matter of which one GW wants to sell first. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/2/#findComment-2980940 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tengo Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 ...or maybe we're looking at a release, ridiculously close the release of 6th ed. Give the actual DA players two weeks or so, to rush to the store to buy the new codex, and then release the 6th ed (which if it is DA vs Chaos) means a second wave of codices straight off the shelf I heard the rumour about 6th ed. being DA vs Chaos of some sorts from a GW employee several months ago, and even though it remained lying there, next to the salt shaker, I never eventually (or suddenly) just decided that the rumour wasn't true. Now everything is looking like it will shape out to prove that rumour correct. I was slightly apprehensive about the rumour at first, at the moment, we're sort of the martyr chapter and I kind of like that, I don't want us to be the next Space Wolves, people flocking to us because they want easy wins. Although I'm pretty much desperate for GW to show us some love! Also, I think it's a bit of a conclusion to jump to; a new codex, just from a peek at what looks like Cypher? Personally, I still think our codex might be at least a little way away, I think it's equally as possible that maybe they're bringing Cypher back for 25th anniversary, maybe with a new model and new rules in WD. I did hear that each original army was getting something for 25th. And one last thing, in other topics about this, I see people referring again to DA as an 'unpopular' army, they're far from unpopular, they're just not nearly as competitive as other marines. I think DA have one of the most hardcore fanbases out of all the main chapters, if you disagree just go look at the LPC leaderboards! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/2/#findComment-2980944 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isiah Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 ...or maybe we're looking at a release, ridiculously close the release of 6th ed.[...] I think it's equally as possible that maybe they're bringing Cypher back for 25th anniversary, maybe with a new model and new rules in WD. I did hear that each original army was getting something for 25th. That's possible but would that warrant his appearance (if it is him) on two WD spines? What about the other armies' anniversary items? There's definitely something afoot, but at this stage is difficult to know exactly what. Great viral marketing by GW though. Cheers I Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/2/#findComment-2980961 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Semper Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Why would people assume it's Cypher on the spine of the WDs? What is the give away? It's just the leg of a robed marine - could be a standard DA. And judging form the fact that we'd need a few issues before the image is completed, this figure might not even be the central figure of said image. I'm certainly quite excited about it though! :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/2/#findComment-2980967 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isiah Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Hmmm ... a montage spine of different chapters across 12 months' WDs to celebrate 25 years? Could be. But they need to add stuff quick as we're on month 2 and not even one marine is complete yet ;). And what about the other races? I too remain to be convinced it is Cypher... however that would dovetail neatly with a DA + Chaos starter set :D. Either way, girly squeals of excitement here I can tell ya. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/2/#findComment-2980969 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hashmalum Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 This is the rumour roundup of all the things concerning the 6th edition starter set. The new edition comes this summer. Thanks to BoK we have some rumours of the supposed schedule of that time: Quote Originally Posted by gunmnky View Post According to BoK, the release date looks like this: The release schedule for 40k 2012 is… April-May: Dark Angels/Fallen June-Aug: 6th Ed Oct-Nov: Chaos Space Marines The white dwarf spines appear to corroborate this: http://bloodofkittens.com/wp-content...stery-2012.jpg Take that how you will. 75hastings69 confirms most of this: I don't know if the spine images are anything to do with DA, 6th starter or the 25th year of 40k but I do know that most of the stuff posted is correct. 6th starter does indeed feature DA and the forces of chaos, including a nice plastic chaos dread. This leaves us with the following: 6th edition coming June/July the starter box coming shortly afterwards Dark Angels being one of the forces featured in the box Chaos being the other force, including a new plastic Dread, as well as stuff apart from strictly CSM If you know more or wish to point out useful additions to this list, please get in contact with me via PM. This is from Warseer. 75hastings69 has a good reputation regarding rumors plus he shot down most of BT, CSM and Tau stuff as being mostly wishlisting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/2/#findComment-2980979 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeslikethunder Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 And one last thing, in other topics about this, I see people referring again to DA as an 'unpopular' army, they're far from unpopular, they're just not nearly as competitive as other marines. I think DA have one of the most hardcore fanbases out of all the main chapters, if you disagree just go look at the LPC leaderboards! They are more popular than templars going on board posts on B&C. I also seem quite few playing under Space wolf and UM rules Also, I think it's a bit of a conclusion to jump to; a new codex, just from a peek at what looks like Cypher?Yup Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/2/#findComment-2980987 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gillyfish Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 So from what hastings says, we are in the starter set and 'most of' the other stuff is correct. That doesn't mean the dates are right or that we will definitely get a Codex this year (my money would probably still be on after the big release so people can use their new shiny stuff), still it's interesting that we may be the new 'poster boys'. Of a sort, anyway. I also share Isiah's girly squeals. A sentence I never thought I would utter... ^_^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/2/#findComment-2980999 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hashmalum Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 That doesn't mean the dates are right or that we will definitely get a Codex this year (my money would probably still be on after the big release so people can use their new shiny stuff) Imho it makes more sense the other way round; who wants a starterbox where half of the content is from a outdated and mostly subpar codex? Similar to the Ork Codex which was released before the Starter Box. The starter box could even contain some DA exclusive units akin to Deffcopters of the Orks. Of course the same logic could be applied to Chaos, which are quite outdated and subpar too. Maybe the dates will be swiched, but if the content is true, I'm sure both armies will see their codex this year. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/2/#findComment-2981004 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gillyfish Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 That's a fair point - I'd forgotten the Orks. Maybe it will be that soon then. Hmm. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/2/#findComment-2981007 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HJL Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 I also share Isiah's girly squeals. A sentence I never thought I would utter... ^_^ Its important to remain calm and remember that it is gws job to build our hopes up and dash perfectly. However... please oh please oh please oh please! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/2/#findComment-2981022 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDarkAngelLion Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Anybody think we will get a limited edition primarch model like the space puppus did :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/2/#findComment-2981086 Share on other sites More sharing options...
krewl Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Somehow it doesn't make ense to me, but that has never stopped GW from doing anything. If it's correct OH PLEASE be a nice proper good codex not another test run! I'd squee allongs as soon as there's a solid confirmation. Why do I think it doesn't fit though? BT need love a bit more due to old rules. (Still a wargear armoury, dual heavies in 5 men termies, no default frag & crack, overpriced rhino's stuff like that) No rumours on DA rules/units/sculpts yet, and the dex and I assume some models should be here in 3 months, so they have to be done already. We have great models, ravenwing sprue, vet sprue etc. Not really needed to update anything. In short, I would like a new codex, but I dare not truly hope it.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/2/#findComment-2981087 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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