CAM77 Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Not just that article, all were I think. Ah, ok, probly is just coincidence then. On another note I read a post on warseer that seemed to hint that the dark angels in the starter box would be very chapter specific, not like the rather generic marines from AoBR. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/4/#findComment-2982298 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Immolator Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 This could be complete coincidence, but it seems like the Land Raider Ares construction article has been taken off the GW website... With luck the Ares WON'T ever find its way into an official DA codex release. Nathan Bishop really missed the mark in my opinion, but then that just MHO, YMMV. I think he is no longer a member of the team and you know how those things work.They removed the demolisher and renamed it redeemer if i remember right... Just let the templars have first codex this time please? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/4/#findComment-2982419 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interrogator Stobz Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 This could be complete coincidence, but it seems like the Land Raider Ares construction article has been taken off the GW website... With luck the Ares WON'T ever find its way into an official DA codex release. Nathan Bishop really missed the mark in my opinion, but then that just MHO, YMMV. Yeah true, I'd much rather see a Damocles Rhino... that would be awesome. Seconded Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/4/#findComment-2982457 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millicant Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 I may be alone in this, but... I REALLY don't want Dark Angels to be in the starter box. I'm actually livid about it. I hate the idea that we will be ridden with band-wagon fans and new kids who assume Dark Angels are the standard that everybody plays. Maybe I'm an elitest, maybe that makes me a jerk, but I really enjoyed playing Dark Angels because I liked them and knowing that anybody else who played them also did so because they enjoyed the army/fluff/paint/whatever but not because they were the "standard" or "poster-boys" of space marines. I'm upset that Dark Angels will be in the starter box. I'm upset that our codex will line up so closely with the 6th Ed release and we'll have people playing Dark Angels just because it's the hot new thing. I liked being in the shadows, a codex that nobody plays because it's outdated and an army that nobody plays because they're dark, brooding, and atypical. We're losing every aspect of that by being the next "standard." Sigh... I probably shouldn't feel this way and I know it - somebody talk me back to sensibility, please. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/4/#findComment-2982629 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Droma Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 I don't think you should worry too much. There is still a lot of years with Ultra's on top and a lot of hobby stores will probably still have kids paint ultra's to learn. Besides it wont be a bad thing finally being in the limelight and it will shut up everyone who says we're not different enough compared to regular codex marines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/4/#findComment-2982640 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Semper Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 I understand where you're coming from on this. DAs are a connoisseur army. The risk you describe above is a possibility but, if true, it would be counterbalanced by some very nice and unique models. Also bandwagoners go away after some time, but cool minis remain. The feel of the army is so deepley embedded and well defined by now that it can take the exposure and survive it unscathed. Of course, being a DA I'd rather move in the shadows, unseen but hey, sometimes being in the spotlight has it's advantages! :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/4/#findComment-2982641 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candleshoes Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Even if we receive new models via a starter box, I honestly don't think we would have "more" band-wagoners than, lets say, any new marine codex. It is unfortunate, but it is the price everyone must pay for new models. Also, it really depends on what is included in the box - if it is very deathwing based, we will see that theme over-used, rather than the power armored Dark Angels in general. I think it will be washed away completely with Chaos - I mean think about it, they have been swept under the rug since their last book failed even worse than ours to represent the majority of their armies. With the enormous resource vault that has become the Horus Heresy series, Chaos will likely be the much more "go to" set in people's minds, especially with their very consistently rumored book being the 1st codex for 6th. If the models for chaos look even remotely 30kish, and their book is even half as good as the worst of the wishlisting, this titanic shadow will eclipse us and we will hold a nice place until the Vanilla book comes out. All in all, this is potentially a very exciting time for us! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/4/#findComment-2982662 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaM_TW Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 While I agree with the sentiment about NOT wanting to be a 'bandwagoning army', I am sure most 'kids' will change army of newer (more powerfull?) dexes come out. If not, then 'we' have a new DA player. Hurray! :D I'm sure to pick the new dex up though. As well as the new chaos dex (IF the rumours are true). I take them wih me on the family vacation and have a thourough read... I wont be modelling those spare terminators I have though. Who knows what will happen to their weapon layout... :/ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/4/#findComment-2982684 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phaeton Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Prepare, brothers. Bandwagoners come anyway, when we got new Codex. That's inevitable. But it is not so bad. Faithful and zealous became our fraters. Others will be declared fallen and will be haunted. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/4/#findComment-2982690 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pbenner Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 It would be stupid to make a starter set based around Terminators. I could see them putting in one squad, but it'll more than likely be power armor based. My guess would be: (1) Company Master (10) Tactical Marines (3) Ravenwing Bikers (5) Deathwing Terminators I would love to see a Starter Box that was like this. Gives a good smattering of units, incentive to trade off parts with a buddy who bought a box, etc. Best, Paul Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/4/#findComment-2982691 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Semper Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Or it could be a good opportunity to introduce the DW and RW command squads. I mean RW bikes exist already... And instead of a company Master, Belial? We are firmly on wishlisting territory here! :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/4/#findComment-2982696 Share on other sites More sharing options...
riddles Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 The rumours do say that the box will contain an official model for a named character. We have, up until now, assumed it would be a Chaos character. But Cypher already has a model, so Belial is a possibility. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/4/#findComment-2982764 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gillyfish Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Well, it might be worth comparing any eventual Codex with the Blood Angels, but dedcusting a few things as we already had some of the frames and characters they lacked. From memory (so it may not be accurate), the BA got: 4 new special character models 2 new plastic infantry kits (honour guard and death company) New dreadnought kit Baal predator frame Stromraven (although that's shared across two armies and maybe more in the future) At our last Codex release we got: 1 new special character Generic DA captain Company Veteran frame Vehicle/Ravenwing frame Going by that we might expect an additional infantry frame of some sort (maybe Deathwing?) and maybe even a new vehicle if we're lucky (something else for the Ravenwing or maybe something new?). We might also get a Belial miniature and maybe something for the successors if the BA template is followed. Of course, that's all supposition, but that's what we might reasonably expect to see, assuming existing models and frames are kept or re-cut. From a GW perspective that's relatively cheap to do compared to, say, the DE release and we wouldn't need a second wave but would still be popular as lots of other marine players like to cannibalise the new parts made available by the release. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/4/#findComment-2982765 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Immolator Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 My first concern for the new dex is to cast in stone the role of the robes within the chapter.And following that i really hope they follow the wolf release in making full squad robed marines(essentially retool a bit a the box we now have) and a terminator box. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/4/#findComment-2982851 Share on other sites More sharing options...
riddles Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 My first concern for the new dex is to cast in stone the role of the robes within the chapter.And following that i really hope they follow the wolf release in making full squad robed marines(essentially retool a bit a the box we now have) and a terminator box. New kits: Belial (finecast) Azmodai (finecast) Dark Angels Deathwing Squad (robed bodies, options for plasma cannon, 2 handed swords, banner and apothecary. can be used for regular DW or our new spangly DW command/elite unit unit) Ravenwing jetbike squad (plastic kit of 3, various weapons options) Some form of flyer/gunship as a heavy support choice. not a storm raven. bigger guns. Thunderlion cavalry everything else we kinda already have. It's a fairly cheap release that can focus on a big expensive kit and a couple of pretty kits. i now wait for this to appear on warseer as a genuine rumour. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/4/#findComment-2982868 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hexagon Sun Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Thunderlion cavalry I think i'd probably cry if that ever happened. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/4/#findComment-2982935 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gillyfish Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 But what if they were on bikes rather than lions? Cool name rather than a descriptive one? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/4/#findComment-2982940 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Semper Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 What? Ravenwing not cool enough a name? :lol: Joking aside I think Gillyfish has a point. If the BA Codex is anything to go by there's bound to be another (probably unnecessary) super elite unit ala Sang Guard. It could be Termies, or bikers with a cool name, or Greenwng. Or nothing and I gotit completely wrong! It's not gonna be a first either! :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/4/#findComment-2982947 Share on other sites More sharing options...
riddles Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 the history of the dark angels is steeped in knightly orders. who rode on horseback and used primitive versions of chainswords (which I would guess to be the power weapons of their era). I'd love a jetbike style unit with lances/power weapon and shield or power maces/flails (+1S power weapon strike at I. nom nom nom). I do not want to see Dark Angels riding the beasts of Caliban. Unless we can put them in a drop pod and just throw them at the enemy to create confusion. that would rock. And if Matt Ward wants to give me 2 cyclone missile launchers per deathwing squad :) :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/4/#findComment-2982955 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Semper Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 I do not want to see Dark Angels riding the beasts of Caliban. Unless we can put them in a drop pod and just throw them at the enemy to create confusion. that would rock. Good luck trying finding any... Good luck finding Caliban for that matter. :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/4/#findComment-2982959 Share on other sites More sharing options...
riddles Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 And yet the rumour of thunderlion cavalry persists....I shall name them Lion-O, Cheetarh, Panthra... Besides, how hard is it to find warp spawned beasts on the planets the DA recruit from? In all seriousness, if we do get a new dex, I think we're looking at one of two ways: - small update. tacticals brought in line with C:SM, option for intractable or stubborn. Librarians made more useful. Maybe 1 new unit (probably jetbike squad to go with Sammy), mortis dreads - complete overhaul. Focus on hunting the fallen with special rules to match (preferred enemy against chaos yada yada), focus on our large stocks of ancient technology compared to other marine chapters (cheaper plasma options for tacticals, options for master crafted stuff everywhere, new weapons, access to relic blades, dreadnoughts carrying plasma cannons or conversion beamers, a predator variant, a land raider variant etc), new "centrepiece units" for the deathwing (robed terminators. swords and shields options. hopefully relic blades), the ravenwing (jetbike comand type unit), a gunboat that's a storm raven but isn't, couple more special characters. Deathwing to be set up like grey knight terminators i.e. you buy the squad with a basic pw/sb, then you pay for the upgrades. expect a drop in price on that too. I can't see a middle ground there and the design philosophy in the studio seems to be more options, more units, more flexibility in building the army. as opposed to the design philosophy of 4th - strip is down, streamline the books. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/4/#findComment-2982970 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayward Posted February 1, 2012 Author Share Posted February 1, 2012 A friend of mine told me about a year or two ago there will be a unit made of watchers who will cast powerfull psy powers. :lol: Never said it because I though it was gibberish. It was before the sons of Russ get to ride giant wolves... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/4/#findComment-2982974 Share on other sites More sharing options...
riddles Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 that would require clarifying what the watchers actually are. are they pariahs/nulls that are immune to the warp and were part of caliban's heirarchy before it was destroyed? are they simply small scale servitors? are they the physical embodiment of the dark angel's guilt over the fallen (bearing in mind they seem to be immune to all acts of violence against them)? Mind you, if Ward is writing the fluff, they will be Ultramarine spies planted by robust bellyman to keep an eye on the dress wearing shifty marines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/4/#findComment-2982985 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hexagon Sun Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Didn't you know there's a load of enslaved/mind controlled Beasts of Caliban that are kept in stasis in cells next to Luther until they're needed? :P Haha, I just kind of imagine something ridiculous like that whenever I think of things like Thunderlion cavalry. If it were just a unit of ravenwing with jetbikes and some kind of lance then i'd still think it was slightly cheesy though not as bad. Has there ever been any explanation as to why no-one has asked who/what the watchers are? It's one reason they could never expand their role too much, as one watcher carrying a helm could be passed off as a servitor but more than that would attract too much attention I guess. Maybe the watchers will turn out to be squats in hiding... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/4/#findComment-2983011 Share on other sites More sharing options...
riddles Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 best. explanation. ever. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/4/#findComment-2983016 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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