Ronin_eX Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 I never got the whole hate-on people got for "bandwagoners" (hate the term itself). Like some people get to be part of an elite club and have to vet anyone coming in to make sure they stack up. Screw 'em I say! You know why I started the Dark Angels back in 1996? I was 11 years old and was spending days pouring over my 2nd Edition boxed set trying to find what colours my space marines should be. I had picked up a White Dwarf as well and inside was battle report featuring Dark Angels fighting Orks. This was about a month or two after the release of Angels of Death (and the issue in which Brother Bethor was released along with some other BA minis). Well, I tell ya if I didn't immediately know what chapter I wanted to paint up after that. I chose DA a little while after their codex release because they had awesome models and cool colours. I have played them for nearly 16 years now. Back then I would have been considered a bandwagoner by some but now I am a veteran. The point is, this ain't no fancy country club, they ain't no "undesirables" and we all, bloody well, started somewhere. So I welcome the new influx of Dark Angels players this will bring. About time we got some freaking limelight if you ask me. Now if only they can get our codex right and maybe it will stick this time. For too long we have been the marginalized chapter of green marines. Our toys get spread out to all the other marine codices and we are left looking like codex-adherent schlubs that many think should be rolled in to the vanilla codex. But the way I see it, everybody borrows so much from us maybe Codex: Dark Angels should be the master codex for all the marines in 6th Edition (yeah, for Space Pups and Tinsel Knights too ;) ). If they want to be like the first legion so much then they can become sub-codices of the Dark Angels, seems fair to me. :devil: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/6/#findComment-2984350 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Turok Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 Ronin_eX, you said it absolutely perfect! I have a similar story. In fact the only reason I play DA is because I looked at pictures of painted marines when I got my 3rd edition starter box. It was between BT and DA because of the paint schemes, and the DA won because I saw their paint scheme was the most realistic scheme out of any SM army out there. Needless to say here I am today many years later, the DA being my first and largest army. Bandwagoners, people trying new armies, new players, etc... people should be playing the game period. This includes people experimenting with new armies to give themselves new challenges. I always welcome new players to our ranks and definitely want the codex to be competative and "in the lime light". People who are against bandwagoning can hurt the hobby. I once played with an 'elitist' veteran DA guy (we were teamed up for 20k points of DA with the whole DW in an apocalypse game). He ruined the whole game for all 4 of us playing because he was so stuck on fluff, the fact that the Dark Angels were HIS army, and not having fun. He told me I couldn't play as 3rd company because "he was playing third company as he had been playing DA since the AOD codex". He started telling everyone that I was a different chapter and my marines were painted wrong because I had third company ensignia. I couldn't have been more repulsed by this guy. People like that turn people away from the hobby. I welcome the new codex, the changes to come, the spotlight, the veteran DA players, new players, bandwagoners, etc. Hell, the more the merrier! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/6/#findComment-2984362 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interrogator Stobz Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 ...Codex: Dark Angels should be the master codex for all the marines in 6th Edition ...:evil:... ;) Master not 'test' s Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/6/#findComment-2984369 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Landrain Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 What would be really cool in my opinion. Since, 6th edition is supposed to be based more upon a Chaos Ascendant theme, where they truly become the force to be feared. A DA vs Fallen(Chaos) themed starter seems ro really fit into that theme. Not only does it allow the showcassing of Chaos, but it also allows showcasing 'Space Marines' which are GW's #1 seller. While I am looking forward to a new DA book, and the possibilities of what that could include, have many people really thought about what a Fallen Book could include? Fallen are not just CSM's, they have been shown to have a certain special place it seems in the Chaos heirchy. A Single Fallen can lead hordes of Renegades and other CSM's. What about lesser Daemons? But also, with a DA vs Fallen theme, a starter set could also include a book of missions to tell a story similar to the Storm of Vengeance scenario pack. I think that that would help introduce new players to not just the game, but to the thematics and storyline of 40K. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/6/#findComment-2984372 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kovash Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 ugh, I knew I sounded elitist when I made that post! I really didn't want to come off that way, it just sounds harsh when you read my post. I apologize if anyone took it the wrong way. I welcome new players as well, but it just feels wrong when people play an army solely for looks. The background story to each army is very important to me, because I feel that the 40k universe as a whole can stand on it's own with just the books and history. There used to be a Black Templars player that came to our FLGS, and he was such a moron, the word I have to use because we can't swear ^_^ . He even bought a Baneblade and painted it in BT colors to use in 40k games, which we promptly shot down. When it came to fluff and background, he was at a total loss, because he never bothered to invest any time into learning about the great history the templars have. Those are the kinds of players I'm hoping to avoid. New blood is always a good thing, and we could definitely use some more for our Legion. I just don't want it to come at the cost of the great storyline we are lucky to have. The I Legion has so much character, it would be a shame to lose it because of an influx of mindless new players. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/6/#findComment-2984744 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Landrain Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 He even bought a Baneblade and painted it in BT colors to use in 40k games, which we promptly shot down. When it came to fluff and background, he was at a total loss, because he never bothered to invest any time into learning about the great history the templars have. They have done this for other chapters, I think I have seen it on the GW website or in a WD somewhere... I personally have 6 of the Baneblade/Shadowswords, that I am painting up in my Deathwing Colors. With icons and such. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/6/#findComment-2984783 Share on other sites More sharing options...
VAGABOND Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 He even bought a Baneblade and painted it in BT colors to use in 40k games, which we promptly shot down. When it came to fluff and background, he was at a total loss, because he never bothered to invest any time into learning about the great history the templars have. They have done this for other chapters, I think I have seen it on the GW website or in a WD somewhere... I personally have 6 of the Baneblade/Shadowswords, that I am painting up in my Deathwing Colors. With icons and such. I bought a Stormlord on the cheap from a friend who was selling it cheap and I did the same thing. Yet to paint it though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/6/#findComment-2984799 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vazzy Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 On the whole bandwagoner thing, I suppose you could say that's all of us at some point. I just started in June, and I picked the DA thanks to the company master model, I now have almost the entire 3rd company and write short stories. So its all a point of view. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/6/#findComment-2984827 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HJL Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 I started playing 40k be ause my friends did. 17 years ago. Does that make me a bandwagoner? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/6/#findComment-2984853 Share on other sites More sharing options...
krewl Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 I started playing 40k be ause my friends did. 17 years ago. Does that make me a bandwagoner? Yes, get out of here! DA should be only for me :D Darn Kids, GET OFF MY LAWN! I just wanted to point out that the thing people call bandwagonners is not negative. we NEED the new blood, as people always leave the hobby (even if just for a while.) I practically skipped 3rd edition, even though I bought the rules. My reason for picking Dark Angels back in 2nd... Ultra's and SW where taken and you could never take an army your friend had.... bad reason or a good one to join the DA? Same question for a guy who just takes DA cause he likes the models, robes and all. Same for the guy who just likes the background so much he tatoo's it on his back (Every edition again ;) lots of blacked out parts on that guy ;) ). Same question for the guy who feels all termies wil win him tournaments... Each and every reason for picking up DA is valid, if only because it's their money and time, and other people playing the same dex take nothing away from you! And apart from that, just painting guy might decide he has a full army 3 years later and hop on toa club for a testgame and like it! Mr. Powergamer might find he likes th rest of the army aswell, and start a ravenwing bit, and a greenwing bit and then he might as well get the characters.. and before you know it he's building the 1st, 2nd and 4th Co. ... That guy who took DA cause others where taken when he and his friends started.. well he turned into me, and I have full RW and DW armies now, both to big for regular games, I turned into a forum mod/admin, game club guy, team captain for the Dutch 40K team, regular tourny goer etc. In short, be open, people can change and be shown the light. Be that guy who widens the hobby for new people, not the guy yelling at them to go away from the sidelines... :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/6/#findComment-2985009 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millicant Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 You all make excellent points. That's exactly what I meant by "talk some sense into me." ^_^ I guess it's not "bandwagoning" that I'm afraid of - it's losing our identity. And my misplaced fear of what the new book will do to our beloved fluff and identity was taken out on new people that will invariably join our ranks. For that I apologize. That being said, I feel that my underlying concerns of adjustments to the "Dark Angels" identity are still valid. However, that has been covered by others in good detail so I will leave the topic alone. Thank you all for being the collective voices of reason. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/6/#findComment-2985062 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HsojVvad Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 From what I gather, it may look like the Dark Angels will be in the starter set, but I don't see getting a new codex anytime soon. Please correct me if I am wrong, but when Black Templar were in the 3rd edition box set, they didn't have a codex so same thing can be for DA. Be in the box set but no codex. So I will not be surprised if DA are in the Beginer Boxset, but no new codex. Just trying to remind people the rumours are In the Box set but no codex. I am sure the speculation is because if DA are in the box set that would mean they have a new codex. I don't think they will have a new codex, not just yet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/6/#findComment-2985087 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin_eX Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 3rd Edition was also the last edition where army lists were printed in the rules themselves so they were an odd man out in that regard (much like Rogue Trader and 2nd Edition). Releasing codices along with the main rules is something that started in 4th where the boxed set was Marines vs. Nids and those were the first two codices for 4th. Same thing happened with 5th where Orks were released prior to 5th and Marines right after. Besides, until the Armageddon campaign the Black Templars were a codex-adherent chapter. This only changed in late 3rd and 4th edition so them not getting a list (other than Codex: Space Marines) isn't so weird in 3rd since they were normal Space Marines at the time. But after two editions (three if you consider that BT used to be normal marines in early 3rd) it seems likely DA will either come in just before 5th or after Chaos is released. If we will be coming in prior to 6th then April will be the likely time. If we are after Chaos then some time in early 2013 or late 2012 will be the likely date. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/6/#findComment-2985117 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Droma Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 New post on warseer, http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.p...-The-early-bird. Chaos is heading to the printers and DA are "in progress". So we may not see DA until second half of 2012. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/6/#findComment-2985225 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skink Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 Not too upset by this news. Still ok with using our current codex, and it'll mean that the new one is more likely to be an entity in its own right, rather than being Codex: Power Armour Mk I again. Might mean all the cool starter set minis are on sale for cheap by the time it arrives too! Slowly slowly catchy monkey. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/6/#findComment-2985249 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin_eX Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 Hmm, looks like Chaos followed by DA is the probable course then. I'm good with this. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/6/#findComment-2985291 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Lucifer Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 I'm a happy camper if DA doesn't get to be last of 5th (or first of 6th). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/6/#findComment-2985297 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAM77 Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 I'd be fine with this too since it would mean we would get our codex in the new format (hardback, full color), which would be awesome! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/6/#findComment-2985405 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HsojVvad Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 I'm a happy camper if DA doesn't get to be last of 5th (or first of 6th). Well they could be the (no pun intended) the first. Just curious, why do you not want them to be the first 6th edition codex? SM were pretty good being the 1st full fledge edition. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/6/#findComment-2985428 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Lucifer Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 I'm a happy camper if DA doesn't get to be last of 5th (or first of 6th). Well they could be the (no pun intended) the first. Just curious, why do you not want them to be the first 6th edition codex? SM were pretty good being the 1st full fledge edition. Well, SM were good, but SW, BA and GK were better. Plus I dread each time a new DA codex comes out. I'm still having fun with DW+ new FAQ so i don't want that to go away so soon. B) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/6/#findComment-2985460 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kovash Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 @Brother Landrain and VAGABOND: He bought the Baneblade specifically to use it in regular 40k games. Not for Apocalypse sized games. I should have been a little clearer in my previous post. This is the same guy that wouldn't let you see his codex when a rules question comes up. He was an incessant irritation, thankfully he's vanished for now. I think it I would rather see a BT book than a DA book first, because I know the templars are hurting for a new codex. But the idea of a new Chaos codex has gotten me to think of big things. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/6/#findComment-2985472 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CovertToaster Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 Well if past history tells us, when a new codex is about to be released, GW stops selling it on their website. From what I know, DA is not "pulled" off the GW website for sale, at least the DA codex. It's still being sold, so to me, this is a strong indication that we will not be getting a new codex anytime soon, espically not in 6 months. Unless GW wants to go agasint history, I am sure it was done for SW/IG/Tyranids/BA(ok it was a PDF so could be wrong there, can't remember if the PDF was taken down or not)/DE/GK(Deamon Hunters)/Necrons. So since DA codex is still for sale, no DA codex on the horizon. Now can't remember if the BT codex was pulled or not. I looked this up and the only codex I couldn't find on the website was C:SM. Whether that means that there is going to be a new version of C:SM with 6th ed; I doubt that personally as the current dex hasn't been out that long. The only other things of note is that the Tau and BT codex's are for sale for exactly the same price as the old cron dex, almost half the price of every other codex, so perhaps GW are trying to sell out their stocks of these dex's before the new ones are released! Also if you read the BT rumour round up thread on the B&C the rumours are that a new BT dex is in the playtest stage but won't be out anytime in the couple of months. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/6/#findComment-2985592 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Droma Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 Also if you read the BT rumour round up thread on the B&C the rumours are that a new BT dex is in the playtest stage but won't be out anytime in the couple of months. There is not going to be a BT dex until maybe q3 2013. The majority of rumors about the BT dex were by a poster named ghost21 on the warseer forums who later admitted he made everything up. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/6/#findComment-2985630 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diavlo Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 Also if you read the BT rumour round up thread on the B&C the rumours are that a new BT dex is in the playtest stage but won't be out anytime in the couple of months. There is not going to be a BT dex until maybe q3 2013. The majority of rumors about the BT dex were by a poster named ghost21 on the warseer forums who later admitted he made everything up. Later he said that he lied that he made up everything. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/6/#findComment-2985631 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Droma Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Also if you read the BT rumour round up thread on the B&C the rumours are that a new BT dex is in the playtest stage but won't be out anytime in the couple of months. There is not going to be a BT dex until maybe q3 2013. The majority of rumors about the BT dex were by a poster named ghost21 on the warseer forums who later admitted he made everything up. Later he said that he lied that he made up everything. What topic was that posted in? Edit: Found it. He doesn't say he wasn't lying he just said he was tired of being picked on and is leaving. Between ghost21 lying about being in HH meetings and ADB calling him on it and Harry coming right out and stating that no rumor mongers are hearing about specific rules anymore, and then ghost himself saying he made it up I wouldn't believe a damn thing he says. Whatever he ends up saying now will be an attempt to save face at best. Either way I believe Harry/Hastings/Darnok as they're pretty honest and have been very reliable in the past. Tastytaste from BoK has also been pretty accurate recently and he posted the initial DA codex rumor along with 6th ed followed by Chaos. Currently it's just looking like he got the timetables for the DA and Chaos dexes mixed up. Time will prove who's right and who's wrong anyway. If BT are the next to come out despite all the credible rumor mongers saying its waaaayyy off then I guess we'll all have some crow to eat and will need to make an apology, but until then ghost made himself out to be one giant liar and I'm not going to trust him until proven otherwise. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246306-da-book-coming-up-on-first-half-of-2012/page/6/#findComment-2985666 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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