Hrolleif Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 I just finished the Outcast Dead and I'm still a little confused on what the Crusader Host actually was. Maybe I missed a page or two (I was half asleep while reading it this week) that explained it, but I usually can piece things together. Any enlightenment whatsoever on the issue would be appreciated. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246320-crusader-host/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimdarkness Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 I'm thinking it was a group of marine's form each legion who where on terra to sell the crusade ala war bond drives. Why else would there be a thousand son luna wolf death guard and 3 world eater marines on terra. But I have being wrong before. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246320-crusader-host/#findComment-2980418 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Hmm, I doubt it's that sort of publicity. Perhaps they were on Terra to represent their legions in some form of war meetings? I dunno, it's a bit of a punt in the dark for me. I still have about thirty pages to read before I finish the book. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246320-crusader-host/#findComment-2980440 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Kezef Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 The custodes imply that there where astartes from non-traitor legions locked up wih them, just the thousand son chose to leave them there. My thinking is that the crusader host was some kind of honour guard, representing all the legions on terra. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246320-crusader-host/#findComment-2980459 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hrolleif Posted January 29, 2012 Author Share Posted January 29, 2012 The custodes imply that there where astartes from non-traitor legions locked up wih them, just the thousand son chose to leave them there. My thinking is that the crusader host was some kind of honour guard, representing all the legions on terra. That was my thought too especially when they referenced Gythua's battle honors at the Chirurgeon's house (tagged just in case) . I missed the bit about loyalist Astartes still being locked up, though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246320-crusader-host/#findComment-2980545 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 I missed the bit about loyalist Astartes still being locked up, though. Yeah, it's a blink and you'll miss it statement. The stat5ement itself isn't 100% clearcut iirc, though. It's just a heavy implication, I think. (I could be wrong.) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246320-crusader-host/#findComment-2980558 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimdarkness Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 I missed the bit about loyalist Astartes still being locked up, though. Yeah, it's a blink and you'll miss it statement. The stat5ement itself isn't 100% clearcut iirc, though. It's just a heavy implication, I think. (I could be wrong.) Did the book say they where loyal or did the Thousand Son just see that they would be of little use to him? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246320-crusader-host/#findComment-2981459 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeslikethunder Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Also why is the TS locked up before magnus's message? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246320-crusader-host/#findComment-2981802 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Also why is the TS locked up before magnus's message? I believe the Crusader Host was made up of many differing Legions, possibly all of them, and so when Isstvan V occurs and casts doubt on whom is friend or foe, they all get chucked in the slammer together, regardless of legion. Or that's my take on it at least. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246320-crusader-host/#findComment-2981806 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Kezef Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Also why is the TS locked up before magnus's message? I believe the Crusader Host was made up of many differing Legions, possibly all of them, and so when Isstvan V occurs and casts doubt on whom is friend or foe, they all get chucked in the slammer together, regardless of legion. Or that's my take on it at least. Yeah when you consider Dorn's feelings on the matter, he was really paranoid and misyrutsful of any astartes not an Imperial Fist. Can't blame him for it at that stage. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246320-crusader-host/#findComment-2981858 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EPK Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Haven\'t finished the book but two things that relate to this conversation are pretty fresh in my mind... First, Atharva (the Thousand Son) tells one of the mortal guards to open only specific cells in the prison Second, he notes the Crusader Host as being a representatives of the conquering Legions They never mention "loyalists" or even if those in the other cells are actually Space Marines - perhaps other non-Marine types could be considered just as lethal and locked away there too. But, considering my second bitt about the crusader host it is possible other they could be there. There is of course very little to go by. EDIT: I just saw Brother Captain Kezef's comment about the Custodes mentioning loyalists... I'll have to keep an eye out for that as I read. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246320-crusader-host/#findComment-2981971 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EPK Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 I missed the bit about loyalist Astartes still being locked up, though. Yeah, it's a blink and you'll miss it statement. The stat5ement itself isn't 100% clearcut iirc, though. It's just a heavy implication, I think. (I could be wrong.) Did the book say they where loyal or did the Thousand Son just see that they would be of little use to him? They did not actually say they are Space Marines at all, let alone what side they were on. I think you make a good point - little use to him or even that they may potentially get in his way. EDIT - getting a little further in the book it the Custodian did reference that the 7 were form traitor Legions but again did not specifically make reference to loyalist Legions being held as well, though he did elude to as much. Later another comment by one of the 7 however mentioned they were incarcerated simply of the colors on their shoulders (or something along those lines) which eludes to the traitor Legions and would seem an odd thing to say if the entire Crusader Host was locked up (loyalist and all). I may be wrong but I think the hunters also question why the Thousand Son would be running with the Traitors. All these bits seem contradictory. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246320-crusader-host/#findComment-2981974 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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