Lagbenektelse Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 So just out of curiousity any theories on why Sevatar has stained gauntlets?...and of course what would be his future with the sword of damocles hanging over him. I cant speak to what he did but I think Curze made him commit hari kiri in order to further fracture the legion. Sevatar could have unified the legion once Curze passed therefore he was removed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246406-sevatars-failure/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yogi Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 On why he has the gauntlets..? Only guesses. Quote below may relate.. But IIRC he is destined to die in combat. I don't think the haunter kills him.. Since that's not much help have a quote from ADBS facebook. ‘Why did you kill them?’ Var Jahan moved so his back wasn’t facing the Atramentar. ‘Why did you want us dead? Fratricide, Sevatar... Has it really come to this?’ ‘It came to this the moment you three fools decided it was best to kill the Legion simply to purge some fictitious stain on our imaginary honour.’ ‘You killed them because they disagreed with you. Sevatar, you are insane.’ The First Captain gave a subtle shrug. ‘So I am often told.' Here's another (released earlier) quote.. Malithos looked at his brothers in raw disbelief for a moment, before tilting his head at the First Captain. ‘Are you mad, Sevatar?’ ‘I don’t think so. I feel fine.’ ‘How would you stop us?’ asked Var Jahan. ‘I’d kill you, of course. What kind of question is that? But let’s hope we don't reach that point. Emotions are running high, and my spear is all the way over there.’ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246406-sevatars-failure/#findComment-2981666 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan230 Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 ...I feel like a fool, I need to know where these came from!!!!! Please! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246406-sevatars-failure/#findComment-2981695 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yogi Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 ...I feel like a fool, I need to know where these came from!!!!! Please! http://www.facebook.com/aarondembskibowden Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246406-sevatars-failure/#findComment-2981722 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Malithos looked at his brothers in raw disbelief for a moment, before tilting his head at the First Captain. ‘Are you mad, Sevatar?’ ‘I don’t think so. I feel fine.’ ‘How would you stop us?’ asked Var Jahan. ‘I’d kill you, of course. What kind of question is that? But let’s hope we don't reach that point. Emotions are running high, and my spear is all the way over there.’ That...that just gave me chills. I'm not even joking. Sevatar has to be the scariest damn character ever in 40k. Jeez, the money I'd pay to see Sevatar and Sigismund go a few rounds on Terra... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246406-sevatars-failure/#findComment-2981727 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 He really does seem to have that Joker level of menace/calm/insanity that would make him terrifying to be in the same room as, doesn't he? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246406-sevatars-failure/#findComment-2981731 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Sooo..... Sevatar is the Jack Nickelson of 40k? Sweeeeeeeet! :) Well let's face it then, those guantlets could be red for anything. They might be red just so the Haunter would hve some sort of leash on him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246406-sevatars-failure/#findComment-2981903 Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Foes Remain Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Malithos looked at his brothers in raw disbelief for a moment, before tilting his head at the First Captain. ‘Are you mad, Sevatar?’ ‘I don’t think so. I feel fine.’ ‘How would you stop us?’ asked Var Jahan. ‘I’d kill you, of course. What kind of question is that? But let’s hope we don't reach that point. Emotions are running high, and my spear is all the way over there.’ That...that just gave me chills. I'm not even joking. Sevatar has to be the scariest damn character ever in 40k. Jeez, the money I'd pay to see Sevatar and Sigismund go a few rounds on Terra... I agree, but Sevatar's response was pretty awesome. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246406-sevatars-failure/#findComment-2982135 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarKnight Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 I have a feeling Sevatar didn't agree with the way Curze intended to make his dark visions come to fruition. I don't think he drank the kool-aid as much as his brother legionaries did, sort of how Xarl felt in 'Blood Reaver'. He probably opposed/foiled some plan of Curze's and for punishment was condemned. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246406-sevatars-failure/#findComment-2982352 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retributis Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 I think the stained Gauntlet's were explained in one of ADB's books when Talos made Uzas do the same after he killed a member of third claw. It was, I think, explained as the forfeiting of one's life to another due to shame, so in effect Curze owns Sevetar's life and it is up to him as to when to end it. I could be completely wrong and remembering something else though :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246406-sevatars-failure/#findComment-2982801 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 We know that part, we're discussing what he did to make him stain them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246406-sevatars-failure/#findComment-2982828 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 We know that part, we're discussing what he did to make him stain them. What could really offend Primarch of a Legion comprised of murderers, rapists, liars and thieves.. That's the question. Speaking of which, much is made of their reputation, but surely in the beginning they were not as corrupt what with most of their original strength coming from Terra - surely? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246406-sevatars-failure/#findComment-2982836 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 I have a feeling Sevatar didn't agree with the way Curze intended to make his dark visions come to fruition. Have you read the quotes? This is a guy whose only worry about killing his brother in his own Legion has how difficult it would be with his bare hands. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246406-sevatars-failure/#findComment-2982837 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retributis Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Oh... Sorry :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246406-sevatars-failure/#findComment-2982857 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrion Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Sevatar is Joe Pesci from Goodfellas. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246406-sevatars-failure/#findComment-2982873 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Oh... Sorry :D Ah, don't worry about it. I just re-read the original post, and it does sound fairly ambiguous as to what we're discussing exactly. @Captain Juan Juarez, the Night Lords only got their reputation after the Night Haunter was found. Before him, they were just another Terran Legion, except they had the black eyes. Afterwards... they became the secret police the Emperor didn't know he had. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246406-sevatars-failure/#findComment-2982875 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 @Captain Juan Juarez, the Night Lords only got their reputation after the Night Haunter was found. Before him, they were just another Terran Legion, except they had the black eyes. Afterwards... they became the secret police the Emperor didn't know he had. As far as we know. Oh... Sorry :) It's okay. Looking back I could have worded it nicer. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246406-sevatars-failure/#findComment-2982904 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Personally, I wouldn't be suprised that the Terran Night Lords were all recruited from underhive scum from various ruined Hives on the Throneworld. Sevatar still scares the hell outta me.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246406-sevatars-failure/#findComment-2982916 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sons of Horus Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Never knew about those quotes. I think Sevatar is one of the most interesting (or potentially interesting) characters in the setting and we barely even have any material on him :) I really hope ADB does a full novel with Sevatar as one of the main characters. It's quite difficult to imagine what he could have done to piss off someone like Curze though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246406-sevatars-failure/#findComment-2982925 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsair Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Why do I feel like ADB has said he murdered a Legion brother? I'm probably pulling that out of my Fabulous Bile, but the idea is stuck in my head. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246406-sevatars-failure/#findComment-2983322 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcye Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 I haven't read these books yet, and from what I'm reading here and in other places, it seems I definitely need to. It sure seems like it beats slogging through 'Fall of Damnos' anyway *snore*. Though, I just bought Know No Fear so there goes that.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246406-sevatars-failure/#findComment-2983323 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarKnight Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 I have a feeling Sevatar didn't agree with the way Curze intended to make his dark visions come to fruition. Have you read the quotes? This is a guy whose only worry about killing his brother in his own Legion has how difficult it would be with his bare hands. battle brother =/= Primarch, AD-B had a quote from a few months ago on his blog where Sevatar is quoted as saying that they were lied to by their Primarch. Perhaps he no longer feels and allegiance to anyone is his Legion any longer. Curze sure didn't at the end. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246406-sevatars-failure/#findComment-2983450 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Well you pointed out dark intentions and that maybe he didn't want them happening, I was pointing out that the quotes make him the perfect guy for this. I don't look at ADB's blog but if we(and he) used the Krieg Acerbis approach to Curze, it could be pretty easy to find out what the lie might, might might might, be. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246406-sevatars-failure/#findComment-2983465 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarKnight Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 Well you pointed out dark intentions and that maybe he didn't want them happening, I was pointing out that the quotes make him the perfect guy for this. I don't look at ADB's blog but if we(and he) used the Krieg Acerbis approach to Curze, it could be pretty easy to find out what the lie might, might might might, be. Never read the original Night Lords novel but since Sevatar is Terran & therefore an original member of the Legion, I could believe the fact that he could believe that even their Primarch has fallen short of their perceived purpose. Note the word perceived, since they are still traitors IMO no matter their reasons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246406-sevatars-failure/#findComment-2984275 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 Okay well NL 101 is that Konrad Curze has two personalities, the Night Haunter who did what he did just for the thrill an in reality saw nothing wrong with Chaos or being influenced by it the same way the Exalted and Uzas are. Then there is Konrad Curze who was used by his father as a terror weapon and then decided to get rid of him and only seeks the destruction of the Imperium just to remove its corruption and that his Legion should stay pure of Chaos' effects. Basically there is the pure and the corrupt. Sevatar most likely was a follower of the corrupt if we went by the quotes while Talos and Xaphen are examples of the "puritan" Night Lords. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246406-sevatars-failure/#findComment-2984303 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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