Lord_Caerolion Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 Okay well NL 101 is that Konrad Curze has two personalities, the Night Haunter who did what he did just for the thrill an in reality saw nothing wrong with Chaos or being influenced by it the same way the Exalted and Uzas are. Then there is Konrad Curze who was used by his father as a terror weapon and then decided to get rid of him and only seeks the destruction of the Imperium just to remove its corruption and that his Legion should stay pure of Chaos' effects. Basically there is the pure and the corrupt. Sevatar most likely was a follower of the corrupt if we went by the quotes while Talos and Xaphen are examples of the "puritan" Night Lords. Well, that is if you take Acerbus at his word, and he isn't exactly the most reliable of sources, given that he's an utterly corrupt, sadistic, psychopathic Chaos-worshipping Daemon Prince. :devil: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246406-sevatars-failure/page/2/#findComment-2984359 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 True. But sometimes the best way to make someone believe a lie is to tell them a truth they refuse to believe. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246406-sevatars-failure/page/2/#findComment-2984480 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 True. But sometimes the best way to make someone believe a lie is to tell them a truth they refuse to believe. That's the key, I think. From ADB's novels we see how Talos and others are present when Curze has some unsettling mind-hiccups, like not remembering what happened to Sevatar. It should be clear to anyone that it isn't normal for a Primarch to suffer such episodes, yet Talos and the others stand by the Primarch's good side. Even though they use the bad one with little restraint. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246406-sevatars-failure/page/2/#findComment-2984502 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThulsaKane Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 For me the interesting part is the delayed punishment. Sevatar did something worthy of execution (in Curze's eyes anyway) but he's either too valuable to kill immediately or it wasn't bad enough to warrant immediate execution. I'm very keen to see more of them in The Primarchs & in Void Stalker as well as a NL HH novel in the distant future. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246406-sevatars-failure/page/2/#findComment-2987361 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Gawainus Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 I've always wondered why the standard brainwashing didn't take for Night Lords. Plenty of marines started off as violent, feral children - why did only one legion become corrupted by it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246406-sevatars-failure/page/2/#findComment-2992759 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billuriye Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 I've always wondered why the standard brainwashing didn't take for Night Lords. Plenty of marines started off as violent, feral children - why did only one legion become corrupted by it? Pre heresy indoctrination was different i take it. Not as through. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246406-sevatars-failure/page/2/#findComment-2992776 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Gawainus Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 Pre heresy indoctrination was different i take it. Not as through. That's my guess too. I wasn't sure how much to separate the novels (characters need to be interesting, i.e. not brainwashed) from canon (all marines get a scrub-a-dub, one legion didn't take to it). Either way, makes for better stories. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246406-sevatars-failure/page/2/#findComment-2992808 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 As much as i love the brief glimpses we've been given of Sevatar (still keeping my fingers crossed that ADB gets his hands on their heresy novel, and soon) I'm really hoping that he meets his end after running into Sigismund. Only a famous death will do after all, and Sigismund is repeatedly listed as probably 1 of the top Astartes in combat along with Abaddon and Raldoron. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246406-sevatars-failure/page/2/#findComment-2993753 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 I'm really hoping that he meets his end after running into Sigismund. That would be nice. It's a pity the Imperial Fists are often the whipping boys of Chaos. They always seem to get their a$$e$ handed to them Corswain would also be an appropriate candidate. If Curze ends up killing him or if he dies against overwhelming force (a dreadnought, an explosion or something like that), it would be quite lame Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246406-sevatars-failure/page/2/#findComment-2993794 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candleshoes Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 It does say that he "died in the war". I don't think that Curze would have been the one to kill him directly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246406-sevatars-failure/page/2/#findComment-2994228 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDoc Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 Personally, I hope he gets gutted by Corswain or crushed by a backhand from the Lion. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246406-sevatars-failure/page/2/#findComment-2994304 Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Foes Remain Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 Corswain owes him a death, so I want to see him cut Sevatar down. Then ask Cruze for his sword back. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246406-sevatars-failure/page/2/#findComment-2994358 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 It does say that he "died in the war". I don't think that Curze would have been the one to kill him directly. I hope it's an epic showdown between him and an equally bada$$ loyalist (not a primarch) Corswain owes him a death, so I want to see him cut Sevatar down. Then ask Curze for his sword back. I've always wondered how the first fight between Sevatar and Alajos played out. Did they duel or did Sevatar blindside him during the chaos of battle? I guess we'll never know. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246406-sevatars-failure/page/2/#findComment-2994498 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 No matter how their battle played out, I think it's safe to assume Sevatar has the skill to have bested Alajos through skill alone - that much is stated in Savage Weapons. Plus, Sevatar remembers Alajos, something which points to an extended confrontation. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246406-sevatars-failure/page/2/#findComment-2994726 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morollan Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 What could really offend Primarch of a Legion comprised of murderers, rapists, liars and thieves.. That's the question. Perhaps he helped an old lady to cross the road, or came across a little girl lost in the woods and didn't violently slaughter her? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246406-sevatars-failure/page/2/#findComment-2994831 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 I think it's safe to assume Sevatar has the skill to have bested Alajos through skill alone - that much is stated in Savage Weapons. OK...I never denied that No doubt Sev had the skill to beat him "fairly", doesn't mean he actually did (Night Lords specialise in fighting dirty). Who knows what happened is all I'm saying. Plus, Sevatar remembers Alajos, something which points to an extended confrontation. He could've simply remembered striking down a famous enemy captain. Astartes recognize other Astartes very quickly via "visual tagging" and "rank and company pins" (see Little Horus, Age of Darkness). In my opinion, his recollection of the incident is neither evidence for nor evidence against an extended confrontation It's debatable whether Alajos thought Sev had the skill to beat him because of their previous encounter or simply because of Sev's reputation Alajos named several other marines whom he judged to be capable of beating him (I doubt he had crossed blades with all of them) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246406-sevatars-failure/page/2/#findComment-2995053 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 I didn't say you had denied that, mate, what I meant was there was enough bad blood between Alajos and Sevatar (mostly from the Dark Angel towards the Night Lord) for us to suppose a duel. Maybe I'm wrong, there isn't real evidence, but I like to think that was what happened. Plus, it makes Sevatar's vague recollection of Alajos that much more 'hurtful'. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246406-sevatars-failure/page/2/#findComment-2995261 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 I didn't say you had denied that, mate, what I meant was there was enough bad blood between Alajos and Sevatar (mostly from the Dark Angel towards the Night Lord) for us to suppose a duel. Maybe I'm wrong, there isn't real evidence, but I like to think that was what happened. Plus, it makes Sevatar's vague recollection of Alajos that much more 'hurtful'. Certainly a possibility. Sevatar badly disfigured Alajos' face. Perhaps Sevatar caught Alajos off-guard, perhaps he bested him (like how Hibou Khan sliced off half of Horus Aximand's face in Age of Darkness...if you recall). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246406-sevatars-failure/page/2/#findComment-2995295 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kraull the Rampager Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 Perhaps Sevatar just simply iritated Curze? I mean, towards the end, the Mournival Shattered because two of the Sons of Horus captains simply didn't agree with Horus. Sevatar was a massive, MASSIVE smart a$$. I mean, can't we all just imagine him almost hissing "Hello uncle....." or "cousins......." with a slight grin. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246406-sevatars-failure/page/2/#findComment-2996040 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billuriye Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 Perhaps Sevatar just simply iritated Curze? I mean, towards the end, the Mournival Shattered because two of the Sons of Horus captains simply didn't agree with Horus. Sevatar was a massive, MASSIVE smart a$$. I mean, can't we all just imagine him almost hissing "Hello uncle....." or "cousins......." with a slight grin. Curze didn't kill Sevatar, at least not directly. He responds with genuine shock when he hears his death. Mind you this was during his dementia which means he could have killed him with his personality no1, then respond with shock while he's in personality no2. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246406-sevatars-failure/page/2/#findComment-2996048 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 Or he killed him with personality no2, responded with shock with personality no3 and then personality no1 went into the fetal position in a corner somewhere. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246406-sevatars-failure/page/2/#findComment-2996058 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Týr Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 I could easily see Sevatar as a great genius and a huge psychopath who simply criticised his legion, The Imperium and his Primarch too much. And perhaps he also knew too much about Curze and tried to use it against him. As he say himself he is both a fool and a traitor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246406-sevatars-failure/page/2/#findComment-2996174 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 It's true that snarky wisecrackers don't tend to last too long in 40K. Torgaddon didn't, and he wasn't that prone to picking fights, much less with his Primarch. Sevatar's way of questioning everything, using sarcasm and a defiant tone would be a sure ticket to the grave with a Primarch. There's also the threats to his Battle-brothers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246406-sevatars-failure/page/2/#findComment-2996604 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lagbenektelse Posted March 28, 2012 Author Share Posted March 28, 2012 So coming back to the thread and reading some of the responses...Sevatar was Terran...but also one of the most accomplished warriors in any legion. Perhaps he was an insufferable prat to the others because he did feel honor...his psychopath moments were directed at his fellow legion. My theory is that Kurze granted him the duty of serving the legion because he no longer had a chance to 'go back.' Var Jahan was meant to wipe out the loyalist faction and failed miserably which is why he claimed "fratricide? is this what we are reduced to?"Var Jahan sought a quick conversion and failed. Kurze confronted Sevatar, told him of his impending death and Sevatar continued to serve that he might return the Night Lords to the fold when the taint had been purged. Sevatar might be a precursor to Talos essentially because he recognized how effective Kurze's methods could be yet was a "fool and a coward" for serving(or nor outmaneuvering) and obvious crazypants. Prince of Crows might mean he was eating crow for his lack of vision and dedication to the legion regardless of its faults. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246406-sevatars-failure/page/2/#findComment-3026083 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billuriye Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 Sevatar was Terran Wasn't he Nostraman ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246406-sevatars-failure/page/2/#findComment-3026673 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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