vanguardwolf Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 hello my brothers. mho about frost weapons is: they fit the wolves nicely their more i am going rip you to piece's way of battle. the freedom of making up your own version(spear, mace, glave ect.) their pride in ther wargear and the status of them, makes me want them even if they dont work. but they do work, not always but even the simple fact that a model has one makes it good i use them for my WG pack leader, lone wolf and wolf lord. what do you think? do they work or are they more for show and looks? and what unit do you give them? greets Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246500-frost-weapons-are-they-worth-it-and-on-who/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elric the Silvercoat Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 They work the best on Wolf Guard, Thunder Calvary, Battle Leaders, and Wolf Lords. Can you imagine 10 Wolf Guard with Frost Weapons with Ragnar Blackmane with Str 6 on the charge? Its awesome. Even more amazing in a 1000 point list and packed in a Land Raider Crusader. It was a dirty list. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246500-frost-weapons-are-they-worth-it-and-on-who/#findComment-2983249 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalachiOfRuss Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Frost Blades are cool, but they fall short of Wolf Claws, IMO. The only time I take a Frost Blade is when I'm not taking a Storm Shield. If I'm keeping the model's Pistol, I'll take the FB for the extra attack. Most of the time, though, I'll take the WC if I want a model to strike at Init and I'm taking a SS or some other non-Pistol in the other hand. Math-hammer says that the WC produces a slightly better Attacks-to-Wounds ratio in most situations one is going to find. I believe the FB only gets better odds when fighting T6 or better. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246500-frost-weapons-are-they-worth-it-and-on-who/#findComment-2983250 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Brother 92 Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 I pretty much always use it on my lone wolves - in PA with melta bombs he's a beast haha Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246500-frost-weapons-are-they-worth-it-and-on-who/#findComment-2983260 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeatGrinder Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 I love them on anyone I5. I prefer fists or hammers on anyone less. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246500-frost-weapons-are-they-worth-it-and-on-who/#findComment-2983271 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 the +1S makes them a must have when you pick a powerweapon. since they also recieve the +1A for a second CCW i prefer them over wolf claws Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246500-frost-weapons-are-they-worth-it-and-on-who/#findComment-2983282 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Brother 92 Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 atm I'm sorting out a coupla WG with frost weapons - one with a storm shield and the other (who shall become my company standard bearer) with a simple bolt pistol - these plus another guy who has a storm bolter means I've got a nice spread that can fit with the rank-and-file grey hunters, whilst being pretty overlooked by my opponents. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246500-frost-weapons-are-they-worth-it-and-on-who/#findComment-2983297 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kassill Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Love Frost Weapons. Fluffy, cool, they work in game very well, and like you said, the freedom to make them into an Axe, sword, spear, etc.. :woot: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246500-frost-weapons-are-they-worth-it-and-on-who/#findComment-2983302 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 A Wolf Claw re-rolling wounds is statistically better than a Frost weapon against everything T7 and below. Add to that the ability to use the re-roll on to-hits as needed, and lower cost of the Wolf Claw leaves one big advantage on the side of the Frost Weapon - +1A when paired with another CCW. I use both depending on the situation, unit, and points available. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246500-frost-weapons-are-they-worth-it-and-on-who/#findComment-2983329 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Stromclaw Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 If you math-hammer it out, frost axe isn't as good as some of the other choices, but the extra attack from a pistol is a definite plus. My favorite wolf lord/ WGBL load out involves a plasma pistol/frost axe. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246500-frost-weapons-are-they-worth-it-and-on-who/#findComment-2983482 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacksad Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 wait, you still get the +1A from a frost weapon? Here I was thinking it only works for regular CCWs and Powerweapons... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246500-frost-weapons-are-they-worth-it-and-on-who/#findComment-2983583 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Nope, only lightning claws, power fists and chain fists are so restricted. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246500-frost-weapons-are-they-worth-it-and-on-who/#findComment-2983597 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanguardwolf Posted February 2, 2012 Author Share Posted February 2, 2012 i thought so at first that is was a sort of relicblade, but they were not thats what makes the great Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246500-frost-weapons-are-they-worth-it-and-on-who/#findComment-2983617 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacksad Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Nope, only lightning claws, power fists and chain fists are so restricted. and Thunderhammers... right? *keeps fingers crossed* :angry: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246500-frost-weapons-are-they-worth-it-and-on-who/#findComment-2983618 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanguardwolf Posted February 2, 2012 Author Share Posted February 2, 2012 jep and thunderhammers thats wy they are common with ss or you just take 2 of them EPIC Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246500-frost-weapons-are-they-worth-it-and-on-who/#findComment-2983619 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacefrisian Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Frostblade with saga of the beastslayer is a nice combo, i tend to try and get that in most of my lists, off course the guy has Wolftooth and Meltabombs as well. "helllooooo mister walker" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246500-frost-weapons-are-they-worth-it-and-on-who/#findComment-2983622 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Nope, only lightning claws, power fists and chain fists are so restricted. and Thunderhammers... right? *keeps fingers crossed* :angry: Yeah, and thunderhammers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246500-frost-weapons-are-they-worth-it-and-on-who/#findComment-2983632 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Dammit Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 I love him on my lord and the re-role to wound or hit on a claw is negated by a always hit on 3+ amulet and his +1S Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246500-frost-weapons-are-they-worth-it-and-on-who/#findComment-2983651 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 I love him on my lord and the re-role to wound or hit on a claw is negated by a always hit on 3+ amulet and his +1S Not really, both of those also apply to Wolf Claws. A model with a WTK, +1S, and Wolf Claw is still 5pts less than a model with WTK, +1S, and Frost Weapon - and the benefits still stack up the same - just at a higher level. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246500-frost-weapons-are-they-worth-it-and-on-who/#findComment-2983674 Share on other sites More sharing options...
elithren Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Except you cant have +1S with a wolf claw? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246500-frost-weapons-are-they-worth-it-and-on-who/#findComment-2983790 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Except you cant have +1S with a wolf claw? A Lord on a Thunderwolf mount (+1S) can buy a Wolf Claw. Any unit with a Wolf Claw (Str X, re-roll) will statistically wound as well as the same unit with a Frost Weapon (Str X+1) instead. It always comes down to the : Possibility of re-rolling to-hits as needed, -5pts cost vs. +1A w/ 2CCWs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246500-frost-weapons-are-they-worth-it-and-on-who/#findComment-2983834 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Brother 92 Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 I simply prefer the route of is it fluffy, is it fun to play with --- (don't get any ideas ;) haha) - then I'll take it ;) Once I tried the mathhammer lark but it got swept under my carpet of boredom and caring too much about winning - I prefer my wolves to win through luck, might and the dice gods :lol: - I do still tailor lists to opponents (not going to use pure flamers and heavy bolters vs mech armies) as I like winning and gaining some ale :D but it's about the fun for me :) - but whichever works for you. Also Off-Topic dswanick can I borrow that there lower sig? it cracks me up everytime I read it xD Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246500-frost-weapons-are-they-worth-it-and-on-who/#findComment-2983846 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar_Blackmane Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Except you cant have +1S with a wolf claw? A Lord on a Thunderwolf mount (+1S) can buy a Wolf Claw. Any unit with a Wolf Claw (Str X, re-roll) will statistically wound as well as the same unit with a Frost Weapon (Str X+1) instead. It always comes down to the : Possibility of re-rolling to-hits as needed, -5pts cost vs. +1A w/ 2CCWs. And it's alot easier to pen vehicles with a Frost Blade. And Lords on a TW inflict insta-death on T3 models (Eldar, SoB and DE chars). There is not much of a difference between frost weapons and wolf claws, both have their advantages. If you're not playing against specialized T3 CC-specialists with WS5 or less (which happens not that often) the abillity to re-roll hits won't be much of an advantage, if you play against Tau, Sisters or IG you would rather decrease your killing output so you'll get stuck in CC in your own assault phase (instead of killing the whole enemy unit) preventing your opponent to shoot you in his turn. If you prefer Frost Weapons over Wolf Claws because of the looks and the cool factor and you got the 5 pts. to spend you won't do anything wrong if you use one of these. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246500-frost-weapons-are-they-worth-it-and-on-who/#findComment-2983872 Share on other sites More sharing options...
battlebeats Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 I tend to lean more towards WC for the simple fact of re-roll fail to hits or fail to wounds and the point difference. I do however take frost weapons on a unit per squad that is unable to take WC. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246500-frost-weapons-are-they-worth-it-and-on-who/#findComment-2983941 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon950 Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 They are great against 4+ toughness armies, had ragnar with a WG squd that had frost weapons and ss wipe out my friends BA army. Tore up his assualt terminator squad, assualt squad, remains of a death company squad with lemartes, and sanguinor. Only lost one WG the entire time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246500-frost-weapons-are-they-worth-it-and-on-who/#findComment-2983949 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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