Zeratil Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 It's like reading the first 20 minutes of Saving Private Ryan, except the Americans think those nice German fellows with the machine guns are their friends. Well done Dan Abnett. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246509-know-no-fear-spoilers-past-first-few-posts/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Angel Scout Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Finished 20 mins ago...an excellent read Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246509-know-no-fear-spoilers-past-first-few-posts/#findComment-2983457 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apothecary Vaddon Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 I agree 100%. This is easily, easily one of the if not the best (depending on opinion) HH novel yet. I mean, Deliverance Lost is just a road marker way back when we were waiting for this novel. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246509-know-no-fear-spoilers-past-first-few-posts/#findComment-2983474 Share on other sites More sharing options...
amaze07 Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Ya so far very Good, really liking Oll and you know who in it as well didn't see that coming!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246509-know-no-fear-spoilers-past-first-few-posts/#findComment-2983621 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billuriye Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 The book didn't make me like Guilliman or Ultras more but other than that it was great. The Perpetuals are surely the greatest reveal of all. They are probably linked with Cognoscynths in some way. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246509-know-no-fear-spoilers-past-first-few-posts/#findComment-2983681 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Rawl Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Damnit, my copy is sitting at home waiting to be opened :lol: Glad to know it is awesome, bout time Ultras got some Abentt loving. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246509-know-no-fear-spoilers-past-first-few-posts/#findComment-2983765 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeratil Posted February 2, 2012 Author Share Posted February 2, 2012 The book didn't make me like Guilliman or Ultras more but other than that it was great. The Perpetuals are surely the greatest reveal of all. They are probably linked with Cognoscynths in some way. My bet would be that the perpetuals are the Emperor's biological children, i.e what the sensei called themselves during the HH. Oll's recollections mention a couple of historical events that date back to M2. Who knows where they're going with it...but I reckon it'll be cool. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246509-know-no-fear-spoilers-past-first-few-posts/#findComment-2984007 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain ChonkE Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Not Dan's best work but that still puts it in the Top 5 HH books for me cause I think it is his 2nd best! Excellent yarn. Very well balanced with good pacing, cared about the characters and the stars shone. It was good from front to back and had no complaints on editing or progression. I am finding the reviews on this board nearly as enjoyable as the novel! Lots of Ultra-Butthurt from some of the Ultra's most staunch online supporters and backing from folks who normally do not like the Ultramarines. Robby G was presented in a manner that made him likeable while still allowing for detractors to get in their punches too but the quality of the novel overrides the little fan service stuff. Kind of got a "The Engineer" series vibe from Ultramarine officers and the Word Bearers really exuded a menace. What is really nice to have is an Ultra novel that is even keel; most of the novels/stories presented on the boys in blue so far have either been Ultra-Arrogant/Ultra-Fan Service Ultra-Ultramarine novels or have been Ultra-Hateful, Ultra-Undermining, Ultra-denigrating Ultramarine novels. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246509-know-no-fear-spoilers-past-first-few-posts/#findComment-2984079 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Mattheus Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 It was a pretty awesome book, I just wish we could have had more filler from between the beginning of Calth and when Rubio joins Garro in Oath of moment Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246509-know-no-fear-spoilers-past-first-few-posts/#findComment-2984135 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqatone Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 I'd like to order it but the Black Library website has decided it doesn't like my password any more. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246509-know-no-fear-spoilers-past-first-few-posts/#findComment-2984193 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molloch Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 I loved it. Reading through it I was like 'right, I know how this plays out. The Ultramarines aren't destroyed by the Word Bearers, but... how are they going to pull it out of the fire?!?!' Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246509-know-no-fear-spoilers-past-first-few-posts/#findComment-2984209 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarKnight Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 Spoiler tags would be nice but anyhow I'm loving it so far. If you thought Abnett fell off with 'Prospero Burns' (I admit I entertained the idea) he definitely had re-proved himself with 'Know No Fear'. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246509-know-no-fear-spoilers-past-first-few-posts/#findComment-2984273 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain ChonkE Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 Yes! Better than Legion and a skosh under Horus Rising. That book was damned good >.< Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246509-know-no-fear-spoilers-past-first-few-posts/#findComment-2984321 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apothecary Vaddon Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 The book didn't make me like Guilliman or Ultras more but other than that it was great. The Perpetuals are surely the greatest reveal of all. They are probably linked with Cognoscynths in some way. My bet would be that the perpetuals are the Emperor's biological children, i.e what the sensei called themselves during the HH. Oll's recollections mention a couple of historical events that date back to M2. Who knows where they're going with it...but I reckon it'll be cool. This makes a helluva lot of sense, actually. It lends a lot of credibility to the whole 'it was only after that little puny insignificant guardsman after one of the Emperor's literal sons got flayed alive by Horus that Goldenrod decided he had to kill his favorite kid'. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246509-know-no-fear-spoilers-past-first-few-posts/#findComment-2984345 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liquidice Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 Is it already in stores, or did you all get it from online? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246509-know-no-fear-spoilers-past-first-few-posts/#findComment-2984346 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apothecary Vaddon Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 I think it's been shipped already, and probably has arrived at some peoples' houses (havoc up there a few posts). I read the e-book version. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246509-know-no-fear-spoilers-past-first-few-posts/#findComment-2984360 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarKnight Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 You gotta love Guilliman after this one. His second message and subsequent conversation with Lorgar >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246509-know-no-fear-spoilers-past-first-few-posts/#findComment-2984403 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apothecary Vaddon Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 The whole 'little *edit* part? Gotta admit, that was pretty epic. Edit by Insane Psychopath - No swearing Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246509-know-no-fear-spoilers-past-first-few-posts/#findComment-2985145 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunslinger87 Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 True, you really like Guilliman after this one. My only disappointment is that he basically missed out on all the action in the middle. I would have really liked some "command" genius from him. I know a lot of it is implied even before the battle, but we've all heard the thing that was the difference in Calth was Guilliman was there and Lorgar wasn't... not that I mind that this wasn't the case, but Guilliman is basically confused, and when the moment comes tto show his greatness, he disappears :-) Don't get me wrong, I loved the book. Its just an observation. Plus, we'll probably have at least another short story if not a novel before the end where we will see him at his best. If not, then in the aftermath of the heresy definitely :-) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246509-know-no-fear-spoilers-past-first-few-posts/#findComment-2985296 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 but we've all heard the thing that was the difference in Calth was Guilliman was there and Lorgar wasn't... Planetside it had allway been Kor Phaeron vs. Ventanus. Guilliman had been with the fleet, and in the Collected Visions books was said to at some point manage to send commands to the planet, but Lorgar was directing the Word Bearers fleet as well. IIRC it was A D-B who had suggested a while ago that the big advantage of the Ultramarines was that "Guilliman was there but Lorga wasn't", but really the situation was the same for the Ultramarines and the Word Bearers. Primarch directing the fleet, Captain/Chamption in charge of ground war. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246509-know-no-fear-spoilers-past-first-few-posts/#findComment-2985358 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apothecary Vaddon Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 It ended up being Phaeron vs. Guilliman, though, and Ventanus vs. Morpal Cxir for the climax of the novel. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246509-know-no-fear-spoilers-past-first-few-posts/#findComment-2985442 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron-Daemon Forge Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 Is it already in stores, or did you all get it from online? Store get them on the 18th Feb. IP Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246509-know-no-fear-spoilers-past-first-few-posts/#findComment-2985462 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarKnight Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 It was very interesting to read about what Guilliman thinks of his brothers, and who he counts as most reliable. Also a common sense reason why Nikea was rescinded after the Emperor's ascension to the Golden Throne. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246509-know-no-fear-spoilers-past-first-few-posts/#findComment-2985580 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 I think this novel proves why Abnett is sitting at the top of the Black Library tree (although ADB/GM are certainly there abouts). It seems that the HH novels he puts pen to are woven together from the whole of the series a lot better than others. There are several books that act as stand along reads and dont really tie in with the wider series but this is probably due to their authors not having built up anything with their own stamp on it as yet. Back on topic, this book is a blinder, if only for the reason that I now understand the ultras and their approach to warfare. I'll be honest I still despise them just for the overkill of mary sue that goes into everything of their GW licesned fluff but at least I can now see how that would have evolved over a 10 thousand year period. In short, Mr Abnett take a bow Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246509-know-no-fear-spoilers-past-first-few-posts/#findComment-2985694 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apothecary Vaddon Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Well stated. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246509-know-no-fear-spoilers-past-first-few-posts/#findComment-2985697 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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