DarKnight Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Abnett's super detailed writing style also lends itself to writing Ultramarines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246509-know-no-fear-spoilers-past-first-few-posts/page/2/#findComment-2985745 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liquidice Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 How about you all show some courtesy and use proper spoil tags in your post. Most people will come in here for your opinion and grading on the book, and decide weather to pick it up, not spoilers that RUIN the book if you read them. Please show respect. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246509-know-no-fear-spoilers-past-first-few-posts/page/2/#findComment-2985831 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 How about you all show some courtesy and use proper spoil tags in your post. Most people will come in here for your opinion and grading on the book, and decide weather to pick it up, not spoilers that RUIN the book if you read them. Please show respect. if your in the HH subforum, and a topic says "Know No Fear", which just happens to be the title to a recent book that you havent read yet, why would you read the topic? nobody is forcing you to click on the topic. the topic doesnt say "Know No fear" review and grading. please practice some common sense. nothing said here ruined the book, as its impossible to ruin a book. each book effects the reader differently. coming into a thread discussing it and complaining about spoilers is like going to a pool and complaining about getting wet. and here's a spoiler for you: the Emperor kills Horus. you can skip the rest of the series now that i "ruined" that for you. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246509-know-no-fear-spoilers-past-first-few-posts/page/2/#findComment-2985841 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billuriye Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 The guy has a point. Spoiler tags has their use. And the response was bit overblown and dramatic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246509-know-no-fear-spoilers-past-first-few-posts/page/2/#findComment-2985844 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epistolary Exander Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 I dont have a problem with spoilers, if anythng they make me want to read the book even more :). Its just a case of each to their own and people on both sides should probably respect that, shall we get back onto topic now? Exander. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246509-know-no-fear-spoilers-past-first-few-posts/page/2/#findComment-2985965 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apothecary Vaddon Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Message to OP: amend subject line of thread to say 'spoiler alert' Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246509-know-no-fear-spoilers-past-first-few-posts/page/2/#findComment-2986054 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcye Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 I'm only 120 pages in but so far it's amazing. The writing style and structure is different but makes it so much more tense. I <3 Abnett. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246509-know-no-fear-spoilers-past-first-few-posts/page/2/#findComment-2986305 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Pullo Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 I finished Know no Fear yesterday and have to admit I was a little bit disappointed. So far probably my least favourite novel by Abnett (which still means it's a damn fine book). IMO he gets bogged down with too many characters and story lines and thus fails to give the characters some real depth. This is especially true of the beginning where I found the constant 'jumps' of the narration rather annoying. The book picks up atmosphere and the fighting scenes are of the usual high quality, but I think I had hoped for "more". Read a couple of novels by A. Dembski-Bowden lately and loved the way he brought his characters to life. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246509-know-no-fear-spoilers-past-first-few-posts/page/2/#findComment-2986341 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 I really liked the idea of the Perpetuals, reminded me of the Highlander series a bit B) (in a good way) I agree that the book would've been better if it had been longer, but then again, I really can't get enough of Dan's writing Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246509-know-no-fear-spoilers-past-first-few-posts/page/2/#findComment-2986346 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 13th Goat Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 I may be having a brain derp, but is this book actually out? I have it pre-ordered from Amazon and they say its not out till next month? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246509-know-no-fear-spoilers-past-first-few-posts/page/2/#findComment-2986448 Share on other sites More sharing options...
amaze07 Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 Ya it's out alright I pre ordered it Via ebook on black library's website! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246509-know-no-fear-spoilers-past-first-few-posts/page/2/#findComment-2986451 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyros Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 Any World Eater action in this one? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246509-know-no-fear-spoilers-past-first-few-posts/page/2/#findComment-2986619 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Pullo Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 No, it's Word Bearers vs Ultramarines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246509-know-no-fear-spoilers-past-first-few-posts/page/2/#findComment-2986699 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyros Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 Hum? That's weird. Considering "Aurelian" oh well, in another book then. And I was looking towards some good Khârn action! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246509-know-no-fear-spoilers-past-first-few-posts/page/2/#findComment-2986735 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liquidice Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 I was thinking the same thing about aurelien, but it seems to be a lead into butcher's nails audio drama. I really enjoyed the novel, Abnett really did well. I liked the characters a lot, and it brought in some new characters/factions to the HH mix. The only thing that made me disappointed was the end, It seems that Kor beat the crap out of roboute to easily. It felt like a cheesy cartoon fight where the evil genius doesn't kill the good guy immediately, and allows him to escape. I would assume that Guilliman would have made sure that he ended kor phereons (SP) life. I would have preferred it if more time was spent to make the fight more believable And also the rationale and explanation that Guilliman hung out in space unhelmed for hours was silly... As a side note, I've been enjoying the past few books because they have gone into depth about the primarch's reactions and emotions to Horus turning Chaos. I hope it continues =D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246509-know-no-fear-spoilers-past-first-few-posts/page/2/#findComment-2986822 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Rawl Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 Enjoying the hell out of it so far, my favourite part so far is. "I didn't come here for you," Guilliman says. "I came away to think. I forgot you were here." Thiel makes no comment. "That's a dpressing thought" says Guilliman, sliding the sword back onto the rack. "I forgot something. I'd appreciate it if you didn't share that unguarded confession with anybody." My inner Ultramarine loved Guilliman even more after reading that little part. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246509-know-no-fear-spoilers-past-first-few-posts/page/2/#findComment-2986861 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Stromclaw Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 I must say, I really like it. Although, if anyone would have made this codex loathing son of Russ like Ultramarines, it would be Dan Abnett. One thing struck me while I was reading this. Most space marine legions have a theme, something they are based on, the way the Wolves are Vikings in space, Blood Angels are vampires in space, Scars are mongols, and so on. Ultramarines have previously been described as Greco-Roman, and indeed they are in the physical descriptions and cultural background. But the way Abnett presented them made me notice something I'd missed before something that was always there: Ultramarines are Prussians. In space. Guilliman used the Codex as a way to create an institutional 'genius for war,' just as Von Clausewitz and the other Reformers tried to do with the general staff system. When a commander's interpretation of the codex is too literal and narrow that it leads to defeat, he is just like those Prussian officers who clung to the legacy of Frederick the Great and died in the face of Napoleon's forces.The discipline and tactical brilliance of the Ultramarines is taken right from the Prussian armies of the 18th and 19th centuries. At least that's what I think. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246509-know-no-fear-spoilers-past-first-few-posts/page/2/#findComment-2987250 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gree Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 I was interested in the four Champions that Guilliman had. It seems we'll be seeing more of them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246509-know-no-fear-spoilers-past-first-few-posts/page/2/#findComment-2987274 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billuriye Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Dauntless Few was also a weird concept. Especially Ferrus, who Guilliman trusts so utterly, trashed Dorn's plan in Istvaan and got himself killed with his impetuousness. Seems like Guilliman can not read people as much as he thinks he does. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246509-know-no-fear-spoilers-past-first-few-posts/page/2/#findComment-2987291 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ah-a-nothepsis Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 \And also the rationale and explanation that Guilliman hung out in space unhelmed for hours was silly... Interesting indeed, but I read/heard somewhere years ago that part of being a space marine is that you can survive in space for less than 24 hours? Not sure if that would apply to primarchs, but I'd imagine so. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246509-know-no-fear-spoilers-past-first-few-posts/page/2/#findComment-2987301 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apothecary Vaddon Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Primarchs >>>> Legionnaires, so I'd say they can do it for even more hours. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246509-know-no-fear-spoilers-past-first-few-posts/page/2/#findComment-2987581 Share on other sites More sharing options...
calgar101 Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Primarchs >>>> Legionnaires, so I'd say they can do it for even more hours. Except legionnaires can only do it in enclosed suits of power armour.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246509-know-no-fear-spoilers-past-first-few-posts/page/2/#findComment-2987588 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liquidice Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Well it is mentioned: that his armor had some system designed into it for space, but the fact that in space molecules cease to live because of the cold, his face should have been a solid peace of ice. It's no big deal, but I just can't see why they didn't just have him in a helmet, I guess for the cover art.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246509-know-no-fear-spoilers-past-first-few-posts/page/2/#findComment-2987640 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Lord Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Space Is Cold is a common myth: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SpaceIsCold but it doesn't work quite that way. Near a heat source, like a star, you're more in danger of burning than freezing- and even in the depths of space, cooling down is slow. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246509-know-no-fear-spoilers-past-first-few-posts/page/2/#findComment-2987653 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veteran Sergeant Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Guilliman used the Codex as a way to create an institutional 'genius for war,' just as Von Clausewitz and the other Reformers tried to do with the general staff system. When a commander's interpretation of the codex is too literal and narrow that it leads to defeat, he is just like those Prussian officers who clung to the legacy of Frederick the Great and died in the face of Napoleon's forces.The discipline and tactical brilliance of the Ultramarines is taken right from the Prussian armies of the 18th and 19th centuries. At least that's what I think.The BL authors aren't military geniuses themselves, they just write about Guilliman, lol. The quotes used by most of them are just paraphrases of Sun Tzu, Clauswitz, etc. That's probably why you're seeing that parallel. Like I said on the UM forum, I wanted to like this novel, but it just kinda dropped off. There weren't a ton of memorable characters, and the ones that were good have very little face time. The battle narrative was just too long and not coherent enough. A jumble of disconnected fight scenes and made up 40K jargon. This is a problem any author will encounter when trying to write a four hundred page battle scene. Where the previous Heresy novels had a lot of character development, this one was mostly action. A collection of one and two dimensional puppets shooting and hacking at one another. A lot of Paper Battle Brother/Invincible Captain syndrome where bolters and power armor are proportionately strong to the desired effect of the scene (generic Space Marines mowed down vs rounds glancing off the helmets of protagonists). Also there is a lot of manufactured suspense where protagonists are suddenly saved by Titans and Superheavies (war machines of great size that weigh thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of tons) seem to appear out of nowhere. Reminded me of Modern Warfare 2 where your character seems to have an inner ear problem and fall off of everything (roofs, cliffs, etc) in order to facilitate some dramatic rescue scene. It was a well paced and reasonably engaging bit of fluff, but that's all it really was. Fluff. Not much substance. By the time it ended, I barely realize it was finished. The climax is so subtle that I was left to realize "Oh, that must have been the final battle" after the fact, even though the story seemed to be setting up further confrontations that never materialized. I'll give Abnett credit for coming up with a plausible way for the Word Bearers to actually present a credible threat to the Ultramarines, but in doing so it feels like he essentially re-wrote the entire story for the Ultramarines, taking them from merely being "too late" to intervene in the Heresy as opposed to now where they are too badly damaged. Some of us had been reading the fluff for almost twenty years or so now. It seems like these stories can be written without complete re-imaginings while still leaving the authors creative room for their own interpretations. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246509-know-no-fear-spoilers-past-first-few-posts/page/2/#findComment-2987669 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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