calgar101 Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 This whole thing is based on speculation and theory, it will contain some spoilers from Know No Fear. Now Mr Pious is the Saint of the Imperial Guard for his sacrifice during the battle between The Emperor and Horus. Now it could be argued why would a simple army trooper even be there in the first place, surely such a simple human had no reason to be there.. However after reading Know No Fear (awesome book by the way, I loved how the Ultramarines were fleshed out) Oll could have played one of if not the most pivotal roles of the duel. In Know No Fear it seems that ever Word Bearer has an athame (if I read correctly, they have a weapon much like the one used to 'kill' Horus) and Oll manages to get his hands on one. We also have a scene where John Grammaticus shows Mr Pious a vision of the final confrontation and telling Oll how he needs to be there/do something about it. Now my theory is that Ollanus has got an athame and intends to use it on Horus, ironically using chaos to kill their greatest champion.. Now would the weapon listen to to Ollanus to enable him to kill Horus who knows? Now this theory may be wholly inaccurate or could be a delicious irony of killing chaos with chaos. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246794-ollanus-piouss-role/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
igotsmeakabob!! Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Wait, didn't they retcon Pious out a long while ago? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246794-ollanus-piouss-role/#findComment-2987553 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Lord Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 While he was retconned out of the battle on Horus's ship fairly on- that doesn't mean he's been removed entirely. And FFG, in Dark Heresy: Blood of Martyrs, has a sidebar all about him- how he might be a myth- but might not- and that he's the greatest Warrior Saint of the Imperial Guard. So maybe he has a part to play, even if it might not be aboard the Vengeful Spirit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246794-ollanus-piouss-role/#findComment-2987566 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apothecary Vaddon Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Wait, didn't they retcon Pious out a long while ago? BL is revisiting the 'legend of Ollanius Pius', according to Dan Abnett in one of his video logs a while back. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246794-ollanus-piouss-role/#findComment-2987576 Share on other sites More sharing options...
calgar101 Posted February 7, 2012 Author Share Posted February 7, 2012 He appears in Know No Fear, his name is Ollanus and is regarded as Pious, John shows up to persuade him to do something, John shows him a vision of a dead Sanguinius and the duel on board the Vengeful Spirit.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246794-ollanus-piouss-role/#findComment-2987590 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Broker Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Anathemes were made by the Kinebrach, not by chaos. The Kinebrach were members of the Interex, who abhorred chaos, and considered it the enemy of life. Anathemes have nothing to do with chaos beyond their role in Horus's corruption. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246794-ollanus-piouss-role/#findComment-2987600 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDoc Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 Does the book say that the Word Bearers carry athame or anatheme? If the Word Bearers are noted as having 'athame', then all that means is that they all carry ritual daggers, which given their new allegiances and propensity for worship wouldn't be at all surprising. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246794-ollanus-piouss-role/#findComment-2987875 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 Hes also a Perpetual. Like the Emperor. So happy he is back. I cant wait for the jumping in front on Horus Mind Bullet moment. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246794-ollanus-piouss-role/#findComment-2987912 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDoc Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 So happy he is back. I cant wait for the jumping in front on Horus Mind Bullet moment. If it happens. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246794-ollanus-piouss-role/#findComment-2987925 Share on other sites More sharing options...
igotsmeakabob!! Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 I wonder if this means they'll reinstate Sanguinius' carving the chink in Horus' armor? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246794-ollanus-piouss-role/#findComment-2987945 Share on other sites More sharing options...
amaze07 Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 *******WARNING********SPOILER MAYBE************ Thought he was a very good character,only really made sense who he was now ha!! what was up with the dark beach as-well at the end!!?? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246794-ollanus-piouss-role/#findComment-2988015 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethrion Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 Does the book say that the Word Bearers carry athame or anatheme? If the Word Bearers are noted as having 'athame', then all that means is that they all carry ritual daggers, which given their new allegiances and propensity for worship wouldn't be at all surprising. It says they carry athame, and they vary from broken pieces of black flint that the cultists carry to much finer daggers that Word Bearer's use but all seem imbued with dark powers that make the good guys feel odd or revolted. Oll steals one and says something to the effect of "I have a much more important use to put this to". So yeah they are all ritual daggers pretty much. However, it is implied pretty strongly that they can fell daemons where conventional weapons fail (an Ultramarine sends Samus back using one of these blades) and that more primitive weapons like fire and blunt force and blade dispatch daemons more effectively than modern weaponry. So it seems that these atheme do have power over chaos somehow. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246794-ollanus-piouss-role/#findComment-2988534 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDoc Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 It says they carry athame, and they vary from broken pieces of black flint that the cultists carry to much finer daggers that Word Bearer's use but all seem imbued with dark powers that make the good guys feel odd or revolted. Oll steals one and says something to the effect of "I have a much more important use to put this to". So yeah they are all ritual daggers pretty much. However, it is implied pretty strongly that they can fell daemons where conventional weapons fail (an Ultramarine sends Samus back using one of these blades) and that more primitive weapons like fire and blunt force and blade dispatch daemons more effectively than modern weaponry. So it seems that these atheme do have power over chaos somehow. I thought that might be the case. An athame is simply a ritual dagger, the form may vary but the function remains the same. They're generally consecrated in some way (which would explain their effect on daemons) and given the Word Bearers allegiance to Chaos that consecration will likely be via some Dark ritual (which would explain their effect on the UM). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246794-ollanus-piouss-role/#findComment-2988606 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anvilarium Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 I'm starting to get the feeling that maybe: Dan Abnett is trying to bring the Sensei (sons of the Emperor) back. So far we have had John Grammaticus, Casper Hawser and now Ol Persson all revealed to be immortals who are at the very least almost as old as the Emperor himself. John says to Ol in Know No Fear that there are only two or three of them left. I guess this is true as Casper Hawser is now in Deep Freeze in the Fang on Fenris. Could they all be sons that the Emperor that he sired before realising his calling as the Master of Mankind? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246794-ollanus-piouss-role/#findComment-2988883 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vazzy Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 I'm starting to get the feeling that maybe: Dan Abnett is trying to bring the Sensei (sons of the Emperor) back. So far we have had John Grammaticus, Casper Hawser and now Ol Persson all revealed to be immortals who are at the very least almost as old as the Emperor himself. John says to Ol in Know No Fear that there are only two or three of them left. I guess this is true as Casper Hawser is now in Deep Freeze in the Fang on Fenris. Could they all be sons that the Emperor that he sired before realising his calling as the Master of Mankind? Yeah, I could definitely agree with this, and look forward to more. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246794-ollanus-piouss-role/#findComment-2988945 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Rawl Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 I'm starting to get the feeling that maybe: Dan Abnett is trying to bring the Sensei (sons of the Emperor) back. So far we have had John Grammaticus, Casper Hawser and now Ol Persson all revealed to be immortals who are at the very least almost as old as the Emperor himself. John says to Ol in Know No Fear that there are only two or three of them left. I guess this is true as Casper Hawser is now in Deep Freeze in the Fang on Fenris. Could they all be sons that the Emperor that he sired before realising his calling as the Master of Mankind? Yeah, I could definitely agree with this, and look forward to more. Indeed, I hope they bring this back and expand more onto it, I have always hated that Ollanious was a regular guardsmen but with this change, I kinda like the idea that Horus murders one of the Emperors actual biological child in front of his eyes. Thought he was a very good character,only really made sense who he was now ha!!what was up with the dark beach as-well at the end!!?? The Dark Beach at the end was where Erebus summouned the Ruin Storm to stop the Ultras from leaving there Empire during the Heresy, the fabric of reality was so thin there that Erebus, and Oll, in there experience with the warp could create a pathway to where they needed to go. I took that as the case that Oll was creating the pathway he needed to take to get to the moment of Horus's and the Emperor's duel. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246794-ollanus-piouss-role/#findComment-2989090 Share on other sites More sharing options...
calgar101 Posted February 9, 2012 Author Share Posted February 9, 2012 The Athames are a bit confusing then, during the fight between Kor Phaeron and Guilliman, Kor is said to have an Athame and muses how much better it would be to try and turn Guilliman with it. . Is there something I am missing? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246794-ollanus-piouss-role/#findComment-2989096 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Rawl Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 An Athame, by defination is a ceremonial dagger that is used in rituals, as the Word Bearers at this time were heavily getting involved in worshipping the powers then thousands of these would be turning up as sacrifices are a demand from chaos, their powers may vary as I took it as a piece of Chaos itself merged with the dagger, as the Ultra who picked one up and was horrified as he was opened up to the warp as the Word Bearer who tried to kill him was ,Kor Phaeron's Athame must be powerful indeed considering his is the master of the faith, and second to Lorgar. Athame Explanation Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246794-ollanus-piouss-role/#findComment-2989110 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elric the Silvercoat Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 Did anyone read the last of the Ultramarines series. They had an Athame in it aswell from the battle of Calth that Know no Fear is basic off of. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246794-ollanus-piouss-role/#findComment-2989121 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Angel Scout Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 Does the book say that the Word Bearers carry athame or anatheme? If the Word Bearers are noted as having 'athame', then all that means is that they all carry ritual daggers, which given their new allegiances and propensity for worship wouldn't be at all surprising. It says they carry athame, and they vary from broken pieces of black flint that the cultists carry to much finer daggers that Word Bearer's use but all seem imbued with dark powers that make the good guys feel odd or revolted. Oll steals one and says something to the effect of "I have a much more important use to put this to". So yeah they are all ritual daggers pretty much. However, it is implied pretty strongly that they can fell daemons where conventional weapons fail (an Ultramarine sends Samus back using one of these blades) and that more primitive weapons like fire and blunt force and blade dispatch daemons more effectively than modern weaponry. So it seems that these atheme do have power over chaos somehow. This leads me to believe that Thiel may become one of the first Grey Knight Masters/founding member of the Inquisition as, as he's considering the reasoning behind the italliced part in the above spoiler tag, he also thinks that he may not survive to record these points. In addition to his theoreticals of fighting space marines, seems to me to be a pretty good skill set to develop a force that is designed with the specific enemy of Chaos in mind. Cheers Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246794-ollanus-piouss-role/#findComment-2989204 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apothecary Vaddon Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 Does the book say that the Word Bearers carry athame or anatheme? If the Word Bearers are noted as having 'athame', then all that means is that they all carry ritual daggers, which given their new allegiances and propensity for worship wouldn't be at all surprising. It says they carry athame, and they vary from broken pieces of black flint that the cultists carry to much finer daggers that Word Bearer's use but all seem imbued with dark powers that make the good guys feel odd or revolted. Oll steals one and says something to the effect of "I have a much more important use to put this to". So yeah they are all ritual daggers pretty much. However, it is implied pretty strongly that they can fell daemons where conventional weapons fail (an Ultramarine sends Samus back using one of these blades) and that more primitive weapons like fire and blunt force and blade dispatch daemons more effectively than modern weaponry. So it seems that these atheme do have power over chaos somehow. This leads me to believe that Thiel may become one of the first Grey Knight Masters/founding member of the Inquisition as, as he's considering the reasoning behind the italliced part in the above spoiler tag, he also thinks that he may not survive to record these points. In addition to his theoreticals of fighting space marines, seems to me to be a pretty good skill set to develop a force that is designed with the specific enemy of Chaos in mind. Cheers He wasn't one of Garro's few, though? IIRC Rubio was the only UM and he was recruited after Calth. He might be affiliated with the Inquisition later on, but I don't see how he could be one of the beginning members. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246794-ollanus-piouss-role/#findComment-2989269 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Angel Scout Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 Does the book say that the Word Bearers carry athame or anatheme? If the Word Bearers are noted as having 'athame', then all that means is that they all carry ritual daggers, which given their new allegiances and propensity for worship wouldn't be at all surprising. It says they carry athame, and they vary from broken pieces of black flint that the cultists carry to much finer daggers that Word Bearer's use but all seem imbued with dark powers that make the good guys feel odd or revolted. Oll steals one and says something to the effect of "I have a much more important use to put this to". So yeah they are all ritual daggers pretty much. However, it is implied pretty strongly that they can fell daemons where conventional weapons fail (an Ultramarine sends Samus back using one of these blades) and that more primitive weapons like fire and blunt force and blade dispatch daemons more effectively than modern weaponry. So it seems that these atheme do have power over chaos somehow. This leads me to believe that Thiel may become one of the first Grey Knight Masters/founding member of the Inquisition as, as he's considering the reasoning behind the italliced part in the above spoiler tag, he also thinks that he may not survive to record these points. In addition to his theoreticals of fighting space marines, seems to me to be a pretty good skill set to develop a force that is designed with the specific enemy of Chaos in mind. Cheers He wasn't one of Garro's few, though? IIRC Rubio was the only UM and he was recruited after Calth. He might be affiliated with the Inquisition later on, but I don't see how he could be one of the beginning members. Didn't know it was only the one Ultra or else would've just said the Inquisition. Also does this mean that Garro's few have all been found-have listened to the two audiobooks, Loken and Rubio I remember Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246794-ollanus-piouss-role/#findComment-2989299 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 Did anyone read the last of the Ultramarines series. They had an Athame in it aswell from the battle of Calth that Know no Fear is basic off of. I thought that was a shard of the actual xenos anatheme? It sounded like it anyway. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246794-ollanus-piouss-role/#findComment-2989349 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 I'm starting to get the feeling that maybe: Dan Abnett is trying to bring the Sensei (sons of the Emperor) back. So far we have had John Grammaticus, Casper Hawser and now Ol Persson all revealed to be immortals who are at the very least almost as old as the Emperor himself. John says to Ol in Know No Fear that there are only two or three of them left. I guess this is true as Casper Hawser is now in Deep Freeze in the Fang on Fenris. Could they all be sons that the Emperor that he sired before realising his calling as the Master of Mankind? Wait, where was that revealed about Hawser ? WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246794-ollanus-piouss-role/#findComment-2989393 Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaglen Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 im pretty sure that grammaticus was given the ability to reincarnate by the eldar, not as a natural ability he was born with, so i dont believe him to be one of the sensei. im also unsure to hawser being immortal natturally too... As far as Ollanus goes, that could be debateable, and would certainly be a great plot line in the final confrontation... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246794-ollanus-piouss-role/#findComment-2989457 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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