Rafen_2 Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Legion: Raven Guard, because of their stealth tactics and plus how awesome they are in the books. My only beef with them is their Native Americany feel, which I don't see fitting in with their style. I thought the Dark Angels were the ones with the Native Americany feel? What with the Deathwing and all. Some people make that association. Someone made a Corax model that reflected this. I thought it was just Deathwing also but hey what do we know right? :yes: I don't see it at all personally. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246867-primarchs-and-legions/page/2/#findComment-2989981 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warp Angel Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Primarch: ;) of the II Legion. He was the only one who was =I= REDACTED =I=. Legion: The II Legion, of course. With their primarch's will and their trademark tactic of ;) =I= REDACTED =I= they accomplished =I= REDACTED =I=. No other legion, regardless of current propaganda could =I= REDACTED =I=. Their complete annihilation of ;) is the only thing that allowed the :cuss to move forward at all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246867-primarchs-and-legions/page/2/#findComment-2990021 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Mk.231 Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 Primarch: Russ - Gets punched in the face by a powerfist-toting Emperor and blames the resulting headache (seriously, only a headache!) on a hangover. Legion: Iron Warriors - If you can make it, we can break it. They also managed to bait the Fists into almost commiting suicide by daring them to break what the Iron Warriors had made, a dare that resulted in the Fists having to sit on the sidelines for 19 years. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246867-primarchs-and-legions/page/2/#findComment-2990962 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castiel Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 Primarch: No idea! I like a lot of them for many different reasons! Legion: Word Bearers Reason (Legion): I like the faith and fire aspect of them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246867-primarchs-and-legions/page/2/#findComment-2991042 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Captain Stacius Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 Favourite Primarch: Angron, after reading the short story's about the heresy, I loved the idea that he was broken, just not in the way most thought. Favourite Legion: Dark Angel's. They actually became a better more intersting force with the loss of the Lion. Seriously, I think without that they would of been just a far superior Codex Chapter if they didn't face the trial's that occured after losing their homeworld and Primarch. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246867-primarchs-and-legions/page/2/#findComment-2991066 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Apostle Thirst Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 Primarch: Horus Legion: Word Bearers Horus, because he was the best for people, but not in the noble way Sanguinus was. Sanguinus was flawless, perfect, and cared for the people more than his duty. Horus put his duty first while still understanding - and at times, manipulating - the nature of humans. Sanguinus did what was right. Horus did what was necessary while still knowing what was right. Word Bearers because I like the legion that worships the true gods of 40k :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246867-primarchs-and-legions/page/2/#findComment-2991204 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unintentional Batman Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 Primarch: a tie between Alpharius disguised as Roboute and Sigmar Legion: Alpha Legion Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246867-primarchs-and-legions/page/2/#findComment-2991230 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 Primarch: a tie between Alpharius disguised as Roboute and SigmarLegion: Alpha Legion You mean the human, naturally-born Sigmar? Primarch: Alpharius Legion: Tempted to say Salamanders, but have to go with Night Lords because of Sevatars lines on ADBs facebook and the tactic of scaring the ^_^ out of their enemies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246867-primarchs-and-legions/page/2/#findComment-2991274 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIDM Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 Russ Wolves Why: They drink, a LOT. They also are bearded, I have a beard. They are so fierce and loyal it makes my heart sing just are just plain old bad asss Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246867-primarchs-and-legions/page/2/#findComment-2991325 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_son_of_Dorn Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 Mortarion, Death Guard Pre Heresy he looks like scorpion from mortal Kombat, His legion is foot slogging and tough and require no thunderhawks and vehicles to get them about and when all the walking is done theyre still ready for total war. Dislikes: Mortarion was easily lead to chaos through Horus grrrrrr Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246867-primarchs-and-legions/page/2/#findComment-2991345 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epistolary Exander Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Magnus & Lorgar because they both didnt do what they were told to by the Big E. The Thousand Sons & Emperor's Children (pre-heresy) because both legions productively expand themselves beyond just being the killing machines that spaces marines are. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246867-primarchs-and-legions/page/2/#findComment-2991425 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unintentional Batman Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 You mean the human, naturally-born Sigmar? Nope, Sigmar one of the two missing primarchs. GW's current stance can go stuff it, I'm keeping with the implication of Sigmar's primarchdom. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246867-primarchs-and-legions/page/2/#findComment-2991541 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sun Grilled Bacon Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Primarch: Horus, Legion: Iron Warriors, Salamanders Why?: Horus was the greatest of the primarchs, and was probably the most human of them all, up until he turned to Chaos. Why?: Iron Warriors look awesome with those hazard marks, if only they were a loyalist force... Salamanders because they look quite nice, burn things, forge great weapons and armour, and they burn things. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246867-primarchs-and-legions/page/2/#findComment-2991682 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billuriye Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Russ - Gets punched in the face by a powerfist-toting Emperor and blames the resulting headache (seriously, only a headache!) on a hangover. The disruption field was off. Any primarch could pull this off except maybe the Twins. My favourite primarch is a tie between Horus and Guilliman for obvious reasons. Legionwise it is Ultramarines, their outlook for war makes most sense to me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246867-primarchs-and-legions/page/2/#findComment-2991700 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ubermensch Commander Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 A triumvirate of Primarchs and Legions, for different reasons Primarchs Vulkan "Any man who values life over pride is worthy of my service." That. Right there. No sword polishing self aggrandizing beer swilling wasting resources on thousand year long grudges nonsense. They avoid some of the excesses that other Legions fall prey to. Roboute Guilliman: He is Augustus, Diocletian, and Marius all rolled into one...in SPAAACCCEEE! Fun times. I appreciate that, out of all the Primarchs, he was perhaps the only one to successfully look beyond the battlefield for ways to strengthen the empire, a statesman as well as general. Corax: Efficient, practical, and a sound tactician, a good base. But most of all, it is how he dealt with setback and mistakes. Getting betrayed by trusted brothers and escaping with a gutted Legion, Corax sought to get back in the fight as quickly as possible. When that turned out horribly wrong, he personally walked down into the vaults and granted the Emperor's mercy to the monsters he created. Could do without the cheesy "Nevermore" bit after that, but ah well ^_^ Legions Salamanders-Marines that remember their duty. They, like the Primarchs, were created to serve the Emperor and protect humanity. Willing to perform vital actions without an overweening need for glory. Ultramarines: The Roman Legions...in SPAAACCCEEEE! (Ok Ill stop :) ) Disciplined and efficient, they codify their strategies, practices, and tactics so that subsequent recruits benefit from past experience. Their practices echo the old Byzantine and Western Roman methodology and as a historian, I like that. A ficitional army in an over the top grim dark universe, but they can still apply the professional military doctrine that worked. :o Raven Guard: Do more with less. Yes, please, thank you. They learned it through hardship and continued to apply it, even after they climbed back to full strength. Not too shabby. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246867-primarchs-and-legions/page/2/#findComment-2991855 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrath of Terra Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Primarch - Angron. Reason - It's hard to put into words but to me he is the embodiement, not of wrath, but of willpower. He and his World Eaters overcame any foe in the Crusade by refusing to relent. They just kept coming and coming. Always attacking, never relenting, never daunted by odds or circumstance. They matched any sort of xenos machinations with an oh-so-human stubborness and never-give-up attitude. Angron embodies all that to me and has, sadly, rarely been done any sort of justice - often portrayed as little more than The Hulk in space; 'ANGRON SMASH PUNY HUMANS!'. Then there's the whole side of Angron that often gets ignored, downplayed or laughed at. The fact that most primarchs had an easier time of it before the Emperor found them whereas Angron was essentially traumitised (maybe too strong a word) or certainly damaged. The Loremasters can probably tell me which but in one of the books someone sees some of the Primarchs in a vision as they emerge from their crashed pods and one - who I took to be Angron - emerged screaming and with some sort of head injury. Then all the rest that followed - capture, surgery, the butcher's nails, a lifetime of forced combat and torment, the escape, the rebellion and finally a seemingly uncaring father showing up to save the day but doom his friends. What other primarch would outright spurn the Emperor upon first meeting him and demand he be sent back to die with his friends? Such loyalty! His father refuses and takes Angron away anyway to use him in a role that had more freedom and glory than his life as a gladiator but was still something he was forced to do. So the seeds of bitterness were planted. And they grew over the years and Angron and his sons were essentially abused by their allies - time and again hurled at objectives other legions couldn't or wouldn't take due to the likely cost. Angron and the World Eaters became (much like the Iron Warriors) the legion expected to bleed so others didn't have to. Underlying all of this is ADB's fantastic portrayal of Angron in Aurelian - Angron isn't some rage-aholic nutter with implants in his head that turn his aggression up to 11. He's a tormented man with implants in his head that cause so much pain that even a primarch struggles to bear it. His only release is probably combat and the rage he can unleash there and since that's all that's ever been asked of him by anyone in his life why would he refuse it. I loved ADB's portrayal and I hope he lavishes the same love and attention on Angron that he has on Lorgar as I believe in the right hands there is far more potential and depth in Angron's story than most people guess. Angron could make a great story of what could have been. How would he have turned out had he been one of the primarchs raised by loving humans and guided from a young age? What would his "real" personality have been like had he been raised in those circumstances and without the life of slavery and the butcher's nails? How noble could he have been? I still haven't managed to portray properly what I'm trying to get at but hopefully you all have a rough idea after reading the above. Legion - World Eaters Reason - For many of the same reasons as I like Angron. Also I think they've been exceptionally hard-done by in their pre-heresy portrayal as one-dimensional nutters. There's plenty of scope there to portray them in a tragic light - the legion of a freed slave who in turn subjects them to the same torments that he suffered (the butcher's nails) and who's own allies (other legions) mistake them as simplistic barbarians who are wild, ignoring instead the supreme discipline it takes to live on the edge of such fury all the time and keep it in check. Misunderstood, quietly scorned, openly misused, never fully trusted, the World Eaters ignored the behaviour of their fellow legions towards them and got on with what they were the best at - slaying the Emperor's enemies. And I love the portrayal of some of the loyal World Eaters once the Heresy erupts. Lads like Skraal and Ehrlen were fantastic characters as they showed the World Eaters were a bit more complex then commonly thought of - not every last one of them was a Khorne worshipper waiting to get out and who turned as soon as Angron said 'blood for the blood god'. Some of them were the most loyal of all. edit; spelling Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246867-primarchs-and-legions/page/2/#findComment-2991893 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaius Atticus Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Primarch: This is too hard to choose, but I like Guilliman, Horus, Dorn and Khan because of their tactical approaches. Reason: I always appreciate the thinkers over the action heroes. Legion: Ultramarines Reason: My favourite colour is Ultramarine. It sounds like a random way to choose something but I couldn't collect an army I didn't like to look at. Once I read the fluff I liked the Ultramarines even more because they were the guys who did stuff by the book in an orderly fashion, which ironically stood out as being different in the wacky, colourful world of 2nd edition. The likes of Blood Angels, Space Wolves etc. didn't seem that different because every army seemed to have a "quirk" back then. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246867-primarchs-and-legions/page/2/#findComment-2992070 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Mk.231 Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 Russ - Gets punched in the face by a powerfist-toting Emperor and blames the resulting headache (seriously, only a headache!) on a hangover. The disruption field was off. Any primarch could pull this off except maybe the Twins. My favourite primarch is a tie between Horus and Guilliman for obvious reasons. Legionwise it is Ultramarines, their outlook for war makes most sense to me. Regardless, it's the Emperor, even without the disruption field a primarch could expect at least a concussion. Heck, the Lion knocked Russ out with a single punch (admittedly, he was a little busy laughing his arse off to see it coming) and I expect the big guy hits harder than his son. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246867-primarchs-and-legions/page/2/#findComment-2992290 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaguecaster Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 Primarch: Ferrus Manus Reason: Despite what happened to him I still believe he is the coolest mainly due also the fact that he killed one of the C'tan with his bare hands which is pretty epic. Legio: Iron Hands Reason: I just like them for their fluff wanting to purge their weakness and for Primarch Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246867-primarchs-and-legions/page/2/#findComment-2992319 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrath of Terra Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Primarch: This is too hard to choose, but I like Guilliman, Horus, Dorn and Khan because of their tactical approaches. I've never had the Khan down as much of a thinker myself. A bit calmer version of Russ on a bike is how I've pictured him. It's funny how people can get such different interpretations from the same source material! :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246867-primarchs-and-legions/page/2/#findComment-2995092 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Tharand Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 These are my favorites based on reading the Horus Heresy series. Favorite Primarch(s): Fulgrim and Corax. Why: I really enjoyed the tragic fall of Fulgrim from the HH novel 'Fulgrim'. I thought it really showed a caring, loving, and brilliant son slowly fall into insanity and possession. I was left wondering what could have been if he was just a bit stronger. It really made for an interesting character I thought. I really enjoyed the actions and level head of Corax from listening to 'Raven's Flight', 'First Heretic' and 'Deliverance Lost'. Prior to both of those I always pictured Corax as a brooding and slightly insane kind of primarch but all the new material has really fleshed him out and given me a new appreciation of him and his legion. Favorite Legion(s): Word Bearers Why: Because they've shown the most growth and character development of the Legions. I feel like they went from being truly loyal sons and ultimately causing the Heresy for a valid reason. They've done what they have felt they needed to do. Not because they were tricked into being disloyal but because they wanted to be disloyal. More than any other traitor legion they truly believe in the cause and I think it makes them stronger villians because of that outlook. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246867-primarchs-and-legions/page/2/#findComment-2995153 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 I thought the Dark Angels were the ones with the Native Americany feel? What with the Deathwing and all. I think one of their recruitment worlds has a "Native Americany" feel. That's about it. Overall, they have a "Medieval monastic/templar secret ordery" feel Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246867-primarchs-and-legions/page/2/#findComment-2995154 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaius Atticus Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 Primarch: This is too hard to choose, but I like Guilliman, Horus, Dorn and Khan because of their tactical approaches. I've never had the Khan down as much of a thinker myself. A bit calmer version of Russ on a bike is how I've pictured him. It's funny how people can get such different interpretations from the same source material! :tu: I know the fluff regarding White Scars is currently lacking in terms of quantity, so it's hard to say for sure. I always thought of Khan as a master strategist, mostly due to the role of the White Scars at the siege of Terra. His hit and run tactics more or less meant he ran rings around a far superior (at least numerically) force. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246867-primarchs-and-legions/page/2/#findComment-2995655 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 Primarch: This is too hard to choose, but I like Guilliman, Horus, Dorn and Khan because of their tactical approaches. I've never had the Khan down as much of a thinker myself. A bit calmer version of Russ on a bike is how I've pictured him. It's funny how people can get such different interpretations from the same source material! <_< I know the fluff regarding White Scars is currently lacking in terms of quantity, so it's hard to say for sure. I always thought of Khan as a master strategist, mostly due to the role of the White Scars at the siege of Terra. His hit and run tactics more or less meant he ran rings around a far superior (at least numerically) force. As far as I can remember, the Khan is considered one of the great Primarch strategists, like the Lion and Guilliman. I can't think of any specific source that'll say it, but I'm pretty sure it is something that's said. I thought the Dark Angels were the ones with the Native Americany feel? What with the Deathwing and all. I think one of their recruitment worlds has a "Native Americany" feel. That's about it. Overall, they have a "Medieval monastic/templar secret ordery" feel I seem to remember a quote somewhere saying that the Dark Angels look for recruitment worlds that matches their old Caliban. Since one of those worlds is defined as being Native American in influence, I assumed that this was a common denominator for all the recruitment worlds, and Caliban itself, because they are supposed to match. Really, that's the thing that most interests me about the Dark Angels. Native American origins and appearance as well as the Medieval monastic/Templar secret order feel. A mix of themes that makes them really unique and fleshes them out, much like how the Blood Angels mix the angelic with the vampiric. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246867-primarchs-and-legions/page/2/#findComment-2995696 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justcar Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 Magnus and his Thousand Sons. Magnus had the greatest insight and vision of all the primarchs. He was the one that truly grasped the emperor's ideal. The Thousand Sons were not just warriors, they were mages, scholars, etc. Also, I find the fall of the Thousand Sons to be the most tragic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/246867-primarchs-and-legions/page/2/#findComment-2995832 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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