Primarchs and Legions

[The Emperor's Champion]

Ahem, tying the thread into the original topic, I think the Ultramarines are much more popular from the Know No Fear novel. People have read the book rather than disregard it as an Ultramarines novel, and they've found the Ultramarines weren't what they thought, that the Ultramarines do have good intentions and aren't just Empire builders.

 

Whilst there has undoubtedly been anti-Ultras sentiment in the past on all the major 40K forums, since the novel came out the majority of people seem to have gone; "huh, they're alright actually."

 

I'm even going to stick my neck out and say I think the Ultramarines are more popular among non-Ultramarines fans than Space Wolves are among non-Space Wolves fans.

I sure hope you're right. We've been dealing with unreasonable flak for far too long.... I'm incredibly happy to see so many people finally being able to uncloud their judgement and finally see what we've been fans of all these years.

 

First we had the time when the Ultramarines gained their position in the fluff and in the game and products. It was good. The Ultramarines were described as being all those things that people came to hate because Ward rubbed it in their faces, but it was stated simply as "this is how it is" and it was there to make the Ultras the model which most Chapters aim to follow or are variants of. None of the Chapters had huge overblown themes that made them dramatically different, so the Ultramarines were equally respected alongside their red, green, and grey cousins. They were just slightly vampiric, slightly grim, slightly Viking, and slightly Roman.

 

Then we got third edition and basically everyone was stripped of their thematic traits and fluff for the Chapters was basically absent if you didn't have access to the Index Astartes articles being released. The Angels and Wolves all got their Codices back and suddenly were unique again and had their personalities restored. Even the completely unnoteworthy Black Templars Codex Chapter was suddenly totally reworked and given a dramatic new personality. The Ultramarines, meanwhile, were just basically a totally generic Chapter among many in the Codex:Space Marines. The only things they had unique to them were Marneus Calgar and Tigurius, and neither character had enough fluff to restore all of the personality lost from second edition.

Speaking as someone who started playing in 3rd edition, I had no idea that my Ultramarines were even remotely Greco-Roman. Happy accident that everything about the Ultramarines is something I've had ingrained in me as "just the way I'd want it" since I was in elementary school. At the time though, all I knew was that they were blue power armored superhuman space warriors.

 

Fourth edition came around and suddenly restored most of the Chapter's fluff to the Codex and even helped expand on it with Cassius returning, the Honour Guard, and even the Tyrannic War Veterans. The Ultramarines had reclaimed the center stage in the game that everything seemed to say they occupied in the little fluff I had available previously, but STILL they suffered from being seen as generic, for while the Angels, Wolves and even the Templar continued to be made more and more dramatic, the Ultramarines only got their fluff back but never really had their thematic elements built upon, and their model range was barely more than generic Marine models with the occasional hard to come by Roman or Ultramarine decoration added on here or there. So yea.....they took back center stage...but people couldn't really figure out why they should have it because superficially they seemed boring.

 

Fifth edition.....well, it restored the rest of the Ultramarines' fluff. All the stuff about them being the models Marines and the most successful and all that jazz was back. The Chapter's theme got some expansion, several new characters expanded on how the Chapter is organized and what goes on in the world of the Ultramarines beyond just the battles they fought. Some questionable items from fourth edition were reworked to be better suited to a Chapter that wrote the rules and stuck to them (Tyrannic War Vets now just being an additional training for Veterans)........but the problem is that the whole thing was written by Matt Ward and he just wasn't elegant or subtle about any of it. It'd be okay if they had the most powerful psyker in the Imperium, the best marksman, an exceptional 2nd Company, and a Chapter Master who once managed to beat an Avatar in melee....but he did it all in such a way that he beat other Chapters in the face with it. He made it sound too easy for Calgar to beat the Avatar, and made it sound like the Avatar hadn't been scratched by the rest of the battle and only Calgar fought him. He made it sound like Telion taking out two Tau commanders was simply another day on the job for a Scout Sergeant, not like he was an ancient veteran warrior who was using every shred of his centuries of experience to make a pair of shots that even he wasn't sure he could make. He made Sicarius sound like an arrogant reckless Magnificent Bastard who not only leads an exceptional 2nd Company, but leads THE BEST Space Marine Company of any kind in the galaxy....a completely retarded claim. There's a whole Ultramarines Veteran Company who MUST be better. The entirety of the Grey Knight Companies who should be inherently better....

And then there was the White Dwarf article where he made it even worse by declaring that all other Chapters are trying to be the Ultramarines but can't live up to it because they simply weren't born as cool or something. A lot of Chapters might try and duplicate the Ultramarines as closely as is practically possible, but there are plenty of Chapter from even the First Founding who clearly have no interest in the Ultramarines' model. Chapters whose personalities and abilities are simply better applied in other ways. Chapters who are perhaps not strictly as successful as the Ultramarines, but when playing to their strengths can surpass the Ultramarines' abilities in those aspects, and for which an adherence to the Codex would prove to be a struggle against their very nature.

So yea, Matt Ward managed to change the opinion of the Ultramarines from "but they're so generic...why do they get the spotlight?" to "omg these guys are so Mary Sue and full of themselves", and people were, understandably, just ticked off at them.

 

Off to one side there was Graham McNiell writing his Ultramarines series that failed almost constantly to have anything to do with the Ultramarines, which is utterly baffling, considering he was the writer of the "Index Astartes:Ultramarines" that we Ultramarines players measured everything else against for a looong looong time, and sadly THAT is where a lot of Ultramarines found their starts...

 

Then there was the Battle For Black Reach mini novel by Nick Kyme, which is, IMO, an absolutely fantastic portrayal of the Ultramarines.....but almost everyone completely overlooks it as just a tie-in for the starter set that probably isn't worth reading.

As I understand it, Kyme's Fall Of Damnos is almost as good, but perhaps doesn't hold up so well due to it's much larger size.

 

Then we had our friend A D-B write a passage in The First Heretic. Guilliman's first appearance in The Horus Heresy series. It was and probably still is the single most powerful portrayal of Guilliman that there is, and it completely nailed it. A Primarch that so many readers/players were suspicious of, jealous of, and annoyed at, think his motives selfish and assuming him to be arrogant and holding himself as better than his brothers. This was the first time anyone genuinely had anything to judge him by and he was rock solid. Simply an unbending force against a tragic situation. Doing what he had to do and not for a second taking pleasure in it. Still, it was short and left some space for interpretation, and so a lot of people went and assumed the worst.

 

Then came McNiell's Rules Of Engagement... It kept the context of the story a secret for Know No Fear to reveal and it was the first time the Codex Astartes was described in any significant detail. Without the context, and given their preconceived notions, many many many people saw this story as confirmation of their suspicions about the Ultramarines and Guilliman.

 

It has been one thing after another over the years. The Ultramarines just getting more and more people disliking them for all manner of various reasons. Only the diehard Ultramarines fans and a handful of other people who had avoided jumping to conclusions and bothered actually reading everything about them that they could, have seen the underlying elements that tie everything together. The underlying pattern that shows the Ultramarines' motives and actions to actually support the outright statements in the fluff that they are as noble and loyal as it says. It was an impossible position to argue from "look, you can't just jump to the obvious conclusions about why they did things, because the fluff says they're noble and selfless and if you read EVERYTHING you can see that that pattern actually exists under it all". Nobody ever took that seriously. It was always "The Ultramarines are building an empire, clearly they're trying to amass power and Guilliman wants to put himself in charge", never "Guilliman is a demigod who is using his superhuman abilities and skills to forge a civilization among the stars in which mankind can live in health, safety, prosperity, relative happiness, and efficient service to the Imperium. He uses is Ultramarines to conquer other worlds for them Imperium and to bring them the same level of stability if possible."

 

 

And now, finally.....finally. After soooo soooo very long, now we finally get an expansive portrayal of Guilliman, Ultramar, and the Ultramarines working alongside their Primarch and alongside their brothers with a questionable past. Thank The Emperor that Dan Abnett was the author. Finally we get to hear what Guilliman himself actually thinks of all of it. What the Ultramarines who knew him best think of him. How the Ultramarines handle their disgraced cousins. How carefully Ultramar is managed. How Guilliman regards Lorgar and his other brothers.

Guilliman does not think himself to be above his brothers. He's not power hungry. Guilliman feels guilty about how successful he and his Legion are compared to his brothers and their Legions. He doesn't want to be a show off, he's just extremely good at what he does. He's not a boring Primarch who just wants to work on writing rules, he's preparing for a future he believes his father has forseen, thinking that one day there would come a time when the wars were finally over and the fighting might of thePrimarchs and their Legions would no longer be needed. A time when simple warriors would be without purpose, and a clear sign to him that his destiny, the destinies of his brothers, and the destinies of the Space Marines are to use their massive mental abilities as leaders of mankind, preserving the peace and empire that they were fighting so hard to win in their Great Crusade. It shows him relentlessly absorbing every available detail and doing everything he can to ensure everything works as smoothly as possible. He does not want to mock Lorgar, he pities him for the tragedy that Lorgar's mercurial nature earned and Guilliman had to enact. Guilliman just wants his brother to be reassured that Lorgar and his men are still respected and that Guilliman and the Ultramarines do not think poorly of the Word Bearers.

It shows the worlds of Ultramar to be prosperous and the people see the rapidly developing world of Calth as a promise for a fresh start and a good life. Nothing about Ultramar is like the miserable, toxic, broken, grim worlds that are the standard across so much of the Imperium, where human lives are just cogs in an uncaring machine that hungers only for resources and soldiers to throw at the enemies of mankind.

 

So much of the stuff people have complained about has finally been put to rest with this one book. There's very little left to interpretation so, hopefully, people's complaints about the Ultramarines from now on will come down to them not being aware of this book. And, if there's sanity left in the universe, it will hopefully be a simple matter of pointing this stuff out to those unaware and getting them to understand where there reasoning is missing information.

 

 

So yea, Ultramarines and Guilliman FTW!

 

 

 

 

 

Dunno how to gauge the popularity of the Ultramarines outside of Ultramarines fans VS the popularity of the Wolves outside of Wolf fans. It'd sure be an interesting thing to know.

You really think Know No Fear has already had the time to have that kind of impact????

[Captain Idaho]

Whilst I appreciate your sentiment (and I really do) I have to point out this thread probably shouldn't be the place to raise said sentiment, as it is more about your favourite Legions and why rather than community feelings towards the Ultras. It's my own fault for engaging in conversation that lead us off topic, though I did try and steer it back to the original purpose of the thread.

 

I'll leave your post up for now so you can copy and paste all that information into a word document for later use since there is so much effort that must have went into it (sure there is scope for a friendly discussion on the current community view of the Ultramarines in the Ultras forum - though warning it would be watch vigourously), but I do really need to remove it when I get home from work. In the meantime another Mod may decide I'm being too tolerant and remove it anyway (let's hope I don't have another session with the pain monster again when Brother Tyler reads this topic!).

 

So going forward, let's keep the topic based upon it's original mission statement.

[The Emperor's Champion]

You know, I guess I'll be okay with it being vaporized. Doesn't really fit elsewhere that I'm aware of. :/

*shrug*

Just happened to fit into this thread's brief detour.

[LordofNight2]

Dear Moderati,

 

I think it is ok that the thread has gone a little off topic. After all it was mainly an argument for why Guilliaman was awesome (I DISAGREE). I made the thread kinda hoping people would end up making arguments like these on why the prefer their legion. I see the argument as an on topic divergent. I think that it is ok to keep it here, just as long as people continue posting their choices as well and then they can be later criticized and they might have a similar argument on why their choice is the best. However, I see your point in the fact that the topic is mainly the favorite primarch and legion, so if you see fit, you may delete the argument.

 

one of the faithful,

LordofNight2

[Andrew J]

Primarch: I would have to say Ferrus Manus right now. Finished Fulgrim recently and really love his attitude and descriptions. That will of course change quite quickly depending on what I end up reading soon.

 

Legion: World Eaters. Just love the simple direct bada$$ nature of them.

[Captain Idaho]

Ok, it's come to my knowledge that the purpose of this thread wasn't only intended to be an out and out tally of who likes what about which Legion, but also discussion as to what the current feeling towards each Primarch and Legion was in the community at large.

 

So I guess the post by TEC can stay and I won't be struck by lightning by an Admin (they DO have that power you know...), so if people want to discuss whether the Ultramarines or Space Wolves are more popular because of the Heresy series, then it should be consider on topic.

 

Of course, as always, keep it civil and try not to go off on a tangent etc, or else a lightning bolt might very well hit me and the thread closed.

 

All the best,

 

Idaho.

[FallenArtist]

Favorite Primarch: Fulgrim, Kills 2 other primarchs, helped train The Night Hunter, ect.

(or)

Alpharius because you never really know what goes on with whether he is loyal or a traitor

 

Favorite Legion: Emperor's Children because They start off so noble and then become twisted it was a great story to read.

(or)

Alpha Legion same reason as stated for Alpharius

[Odsox]

Primarch: Konrad Curze, the Night Haunter

 

Reason: Curze is arguably one of the most tragic sons of the Emperor. Cast onto the festering, crime-ridden world of Nostramo, raised in darkness and murder, mastering fear and becoming a creature of terror, he saw what he thought was mankind's true face; one of amorality, avarice and a thirst for destruction and self-elevation that could only be quelled by vulgar displays of power and fear. He was a combination and personification of all the wonderfully dystopian aspects of the 41st millenium Imperium ten thousand years early.

 

...that and the fact that every time I listen to The Dark King I get goosebumps whenever I hear the line, "Death haunts the darkness! AND HE KNOWS YOUR NAMES!"

 

So much so that I tend to roar it over the mic when playing as a Night Lord Raptor (my favourite class) in Space Marine online.

 

Legion: Emperor's Children

 

Reason: This was a difficult one for me, because I'm not a huge fan of any of the original Legions, being much more given to making up my own chapters and factions. But if I had to choose one of them, and considering that the reason so many of them suffered greatly, Loyalist and Traitor alike, was an incredible display of hubris, then why not pick the Legion which was possibly the most hubristic of them all?

 

The Emperor's Children fell and rose and fell again, all because of their pride and apparent struggle for what they considered perfection, before and after the influence of the Laer. Now that's serious hubris.

 

Od.

[Simo429]

From the books

 

I don't think there are any Primarchs or Legions that have really stood out as good or that I feel sorry for.

All have tragedy, all have stupidty and vanity and all have good.

 

I have looked forward to seeing Custodes most of all during the Heresy.

[Darkchild130]

Alpha Legion.

 

reason: they fight intelligently. Something of a novelty in the Grim Darkness of the far future.

 

Darkchild

[Brother Captain Kezef]

After reading deliverance lost I've developed a soft spot for Corax. I loved the brief glimpses into his past and the liberation.

[Visitor13]

Primarchs: Not really a fan of any of them.

 

Legions: 1) Death Guard and 2) Iron Warriors. No flashiness, no constant raging (nice, but gets old after a while), no po-faced righteousness. Just the slow inevitability of death. And I can imagine them killing with a smirk on their faces.

[grand master johno]

The Lion !!!!!

 

The First !!!!!

 

Because he snotted Russ, sparking a 10,000 yr grudge boxing match.

Originally (2nd Ed.), they were THE green space marines, which is my favourite colour, then I bought Codex: AoD then all their fluff was sweet and I've been with the 1st ever since.

 

Cheers,

Jono

[Brother Aiwass]

I was to say something here but, just readed this.

 

Primarch - Angron.

 

Reason - It's hard to put into words but to me he is the embodiement, not of wrath, but of willpower. He and his World Eaters overcame any foe in the Crusade by refusing to relent. They just kept coming and coming. Always attacking, never relenting, never daunted by odds or circumstance. They matched any sort of xenos machinations with an oh-so-human stubborness and never-give-up attitude. Angron embodies all that to me and has, sadly, rarely been done any sort of justice - often portrayed as little more than The Hulk in space; 'ANGRON SMASH PUNY HUMANS!'.

 

Then there's the whole side of Angron that often gets ignored, downplayed or laughed at. The fact that most primarchs had an easier time of it before the Emperor found them whereas Angron was essentially traumitised (maybe too strong a word) or certainly damaged. The Loremasters can probably tell me which but in one of the books someone sees some of the Primarchs in a vision as they emerge from their crashed pods and one - who I took to be Angron - emerged screaming and with some sort of head injury.

 

Then all the rest that followed - capture, surgery, the butcher's nails, a lifetime of forced combat and torment, the escape, the rebellion and finally a seemingly uncaring father showing up to save the day but doom his friends. What other primarch would outright spurn the Emperor upon first meeting him and demand he be sent back to die with his friends? Such loyalty!

 

His father refuses and takes Angron away anyway to use him in a role that had more freedom and glory than his life as a gladiator but was still something he was forced to do.

 

So the seeds of bitterness were planted. And they grew over the years and Angron and his sons were essentially abused by their allies - time and again hurled at objectives other legions couldn't or wouldn't take due to the likely cost. Angron and the World Eaters became (much like the Iron Warriors) the legion expected to bleed so others didn't have to.

 

Underlying all of this is ADB's fantastic portrayal of Angron in Aurelian - Angron isn't some rage-aholic nutter with implants in his head that turn his aggression up to 11. He's a tormented man with implants in his head that cause so much pain that even a primarch struggles to bear it. His only release is probably combat and the rage he can unleash there and since that's all that's ever been asked of him by anyone in his life why would he refuse it.

 

I loved ADB's portrayal and I hope he lavishes the same love and attention on Angron that he has on Lorgar as I believe in the right hands there is far more potential and depth in Angron's story than most people guess. Angron could make a great story of what could have been. How would he have turned out had he been one of the primarchs raised by loving humans and guided from a young age? What would his "real" personality have been like had he been raised in those circumstances and without the life of slavery and the butcher's nails? How noble could he have been?

 

I still haven't managed to portray properly what I'm trying to get at but hopefully you all have a rough idea after reading the above.

 

 

Legion - World Eaters

 

Reason - For many of the same reasons as I like Angron. Also I think they've been exceptionally hard-done by in their pre-heresy portrayal as one-dimensional nutters. There's plenty of scope there to portray them in a tragic light - the legion of a freed slave who in turn subjects them to the same torments that he suffered (the butcher's nails) and who's own allies (other legions) mistake them as simplistic barbarians who are wild, ignoring instead the supreme discipline it takes to live on the edge of such fury all the time and keep it in check.

 

Misunderstood, quietly scorned, openly misused, never fully trusted, the World Eaters ignored the behaviour of their fellow legions towards them and got on with what they were the best at - slaying the Emperor's enemies.

 

And I love the portrayal of some of the loyal World Eaters once the Heresy erupts. Lads like Skraal and Ehrlen were fantastic characters as they showed the World Eaters were a bit more complex then commonly thought of - not every last one of them was a Khorne worshipper waiting to get out and who turned as soon as Angron said 'blood for the blood god'.

 

Some of them were the most loyal of all.

 

I can't say it better.

[Schultzhoffen]

Guilliman: Reasoned, intelligent. Not simply a barbarian blood-crazed moron.

 

Ultramarines: I like the professional soldier thing (no odd/freakish aspects, no frothing, no 'roid rage psychosis, no hysterics).

The link to the Roman Legions. I've liked them for 15 years but I must say Abnett's "Theoretical/Practical" was pretty cool. That, plus The Mark.

[Coryphaus 101]

Primarch: Horus and Lorgar (they're both pretty awesome)

Legion: Emperors Children or Word Bearers (again, both awesome)

Reason (Primarch/s): Horus because of his charisma and tactical mastery, Lorgar because he helped cause the Heresy is just awesome.

Reason (Legion/s): Emperors Children because of how honourable they were and how far they fell, Word Bearers because (like Lorgar) they helped cause the heresy, kept the Ultra's business and away from Terra and because they seem to be the legion that changed the least over the course of the Heresy.

[sponsra]

Hmm. Only two votes in favour of Rogal Dorn and the fists so far. I always thought they were among the more popular. Maybe it´s bacause there hasn´t been any HH-novels dedicated to them yet... Anyway, they´re my favourites wich origins from my interest in the 40k world building as a whole, and I think the whole, great storyline of the emperor, his primarchs and the space marines are among the best grand sci-fi ideas ever written. That made me want to build and army of the most generic chapter. Ultra Marines seemed a bit too common, and yellow was a nice challenge to paint so, there... Its also very cool that Dorn had a hunch of things to come, and indirectly installed Loken in the mournival to put a fire blanket on Horus' ego...

[Son of Carnelian]

Primarch: Sanguinius. Yes, he is perfect. Yes, he is a little goody two-shoes. But he also sees the galaxy through very human eyes and seems to possess more humanity than nearly any other primarch. He is just a good person and an even better son, which makes his death all the more tragic.

 

Legion: Without a doubt, the Thousand Sons. In a universe filled with tragedy and darkness, their story is just heartbreaking. Punished by a father they sought to protect, massacred by their brothers, and cursed by themselves, their story just rings out like the saddest of all tales in the forty-first millennium. Think of it this way: The Imperium and Chaos represent two extremes. The Imperium is all about control, right down to your very thoughts. Chaos is all about free will, doing whatever you want whenever you want. The Thousand Sons cannot even enjoy the advantages of Chaos because they have mostly become mindless automatons with no free will. They have no home, no unity, no brotherhood. They're just shells.

[Scribe]

Primarch - Angron.

 

Reason - It's hard to put into words but to me he is the embodiement, not of wrath, but of willpower. He and his World Eaters overcame any foe in the Crusade by refusing to relent. They just kept coming and coming. Always attacking, never relenting, never daunted by odds or circumstance. They matched any sort of xenos machinations with an oh-so-human stubborness and never-give-up attitude. Angron embodies all that to me and has, sadly, rarely been done any sort of justice - often portrayed as little more than The Hulk in space; 'ANGRON SMASH PUNY HUMANS!'.

 

Then there's the whole side of Angron that often gets ignored, downplayed or laughed at. The fact that most primarchs had an easier time of it before the Emperor found them whereas Angron was essentially traumitised (maybe too strong a word) or certainly damaged. The Loremasters can probably tell me which but in one of the books someone sees some of the Primarchs in a vision as they emerge from their crashed pods and one - who I took to be Angron - emerged screaming and with some sort of head injury.

 

Then all the rest that followed - capture, surgery, the butcher's nails, a lifetime of forced combat and torment, the escape, the rebellion and finally a seemingly uncaring father showing up to save the day but doom his friends. What other primarch would outright spurn the Emperor upon first meeting him and demand he be sent back to die with his friends? Such loyalty!

 

His father refuses and takes Angron away anyway to use him in a role that had more freedom and glory than his life as a gladiator but was still something he was forced to do.

 

So the seeds of bitterness were planted. And they grew over the years and Angron and his sons were essentially abused by their allies - time and again hurled at objectives other legions couldn't or wouldn't take due to the likely cost. Angron and the World Eaters became (much like the Iron Warriors) the legion expected to bleed so others didn't have to.

 

Underlying all of this is ADB's fantastic portrayal of Angron in Aurelian - Angron isn't some rage-aholic nutter with implants in his head that turn his aggression up to 11. He's a tormented man with implants in his head that cause so much pain that even a primarch struggles to bear it. His only release is probably combat and the rage he can unleash there and since that's all that's ever been asked of him by anyone in his life why would he refuse it.

 

I loved ADB's portrayal and I hope he lavishes the same love and attention on Angron that he has on Lorgar as I believe in the right hands there is far more potential and depth in Angron's story than most people guess. Angron could make a great story of what could have been. How would he have turned out had he been one of the primarchs raised by loving humans and guided from a young age? What would his "real" personality have been like had he been raised in those circumstances and without the life of slavery and the butcher's nails? How noble could he have been?

 

I still haven't managed to portray properly what I'm trying to get at but hopefully you all have a rough idea after reading the above.

 

 

Legion - World Eaters

 

Reason - For many of the same reasons as I like Angron. Also I think they've been exceptionally hard-done by in their pre-heresy portrayal as one-dimensional nutters. There's plenty of scope there to portray them in a tragic light - the legion of a freed slave who in turn subjects them to the same torments that he suffered (the butcher's nails) and who's own allies (other legions) mistake them as simplistic barbarians who are wild, ignoring instead the supreme discipline it takes to live on the edge of such fury all the time and keep it in check.

 

Misunderstood, quietly scorned, openly misused, never fully trusted, the World Eaters ignored the behaviour of their fellow legions towards them and got on with what they were the best at - slaying the Emperor's enemies.

 

And I love the portrayal of some of the loyal World Eaters once the Heresy erupts. Lads like Skraal and Ehrlen were fantastic characters as they showed the World Eaters were a bit more complex then commonly thought of - not every last one of them was a Khorne worshipper waiting to get out and who turned as soon as Angron said 'blood for the blood god'.

 

Some of them were the most loyal of all.

 

Yeah, this guy has it right.

[crimsonfist123]

Primarch: Sanguinius

Legion: Ultramarines

Sanguinius has shrines all around the galaxy, he took Horus on, broke a greater demon's back and he has wings!

Ultramarines, what's cooler that 200,000+ Roman soldiers in blue?

[BloodBrother]

Favorite Primarch: Alpharius Omegon

Favorite Legion: Alpha Legion

Reason: They are awsome, there so much more to that legion, then we as Readers/Players see or know about them. Secrecy and lies.

Every time Alphas strike, there is much more going on offscreen, so to speak