Another Question about Representing or Proxy

[Miktain]

If I don't have any Thunder Hammers in my list, will I get flack for using the cool looking wolf's head Thunder Hammers to represent my power weapons? This question might seem dumb, but I'm new to the game, and want to make sure my army is legal for a "WYSIWYG" tournament.

[Niiai]

It would be very dumb to put it bluntly.

 

While WYSIWYG is no problem usualy there are some rules one should follow. Skimmers should be flying. Bases should be the same, and weaponds should be falling within theyr categories. Especialy the designated CC weaponds. Hammers should not be power weaponds. Perhaps in an army that has no axes to hammers but wolf's is not one of them. (Even if you GH can not take hammers, something else can and it will confuse an oponent.)

 

A good "grey aria" would be ogre clubs (tetzubas?) that probably could be a regular weapond, and with some modefication count as power weapons. (A power pack and some electricaty being the signs.) In a GH army it would not be to bad to have lightning claws, while a "power spear" would be to similar to a nemesis force halberd etc.

[JamesI]

Most friendly games that would probably ok. At a tournament, it would likely not be acceptable.

[Niiai]

Even in friendly games it can be confusing.

 

Of course proxeing to test diferent builds is something else entierly, but on the whole you should aim for something you like but do not confuse your oponents.

[Khine]

A suggestion if you really want to use the wolfs head as part of the weapon, why not add a blade to the other side (facing backwards) and just say that the model is using the wolf's head to scare his enemies.

 

That would make it legal and still get you the use out of it.

[Miktain]

So what should I use to represent power weapon? I have powerfists, those wont work. Frost Blades on several guys so dont want to many swords in the army. And Chainswords as CCWs.

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

So what should I use to represent power weapon? I have powerfists, those wont work. Frost Blades on several guys so dont want to many swords in the army. And Chainswords as CCWs.

 

if you like that Wolf headed thunder hammer, simply snip the forward hammer part off and glue on the axe bit from our sprue. now you have a cool ass looking weapon and your wolf head.

 

WLK

[Miktain]

So what should I use to represent power weapon? I have powerfists, those wont work. Frost Blades on several guys so dont want to many swords in the army. And Chainswords as CCWs.

 

if you like that Wolf headed thunder hammer, simply snip the forward hammer part off and glue on the axe bit from our sprue. now you have a cool ass looking weapon and your wolf head.

 

WLK

 

This is a good idea, and I'll probably try it.

 

However I'm still a little confused. The rules state "A power weapon, typically a sword or axe"...It doesn't say it's never a hammer. Also...If Swords can be used for Both Frost blades or Power Weapons, why can't the hammer multi-task. Regardless you all seem to agree that it's a problem, and I dont want any problems, so I will turn them into axes.

 

TY for the help guys. I just hope people don't get confused, and think I have a Frost Axe. :)

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

So what should I use to represent power weapon? I have powerfists, those wont work. Frost Blades on several guys so dont want to many swords in the army. And Chainswords as CCWs.

 

if you like that Wolf headed thunder hammer, simply snip the forward hammer part off and glue on the axe bit from our sprue. now you have a cool ass looking weapon and your wolf head.

 

WLK

 

This is a good idea, and I'll probably try it.

 

However I'm still a little confused. The rules state "A power weapon, typically a sword or axe"...It doesn't say it's never a hammer. Also...If Swords can be used for Both Frost blades or Power Weapons, why can't the hammer multi-task. Regardless you all seem to agree that it's a problem, and I dont want any problems, so I will turn them into axes.

 

TY for the help guys.

 

In fun games, i dont see it personally being a problem. As long as your opponent knows the difference its all kosher.

 

in tourney games, or other types of competetive play, the confusion over whether it is a thunder hammer or a power weapon may led to problems. if there wasnt a weapon called a thunder hammer, and we simply were so awesome that we made a hammer into a power weapon, then it would be legit.

 

but thunder hammers have their own separate rules, and for clarity's sake, its best not to mix them outside friendly games.

 

WLK

[Arez]

could paint it a different color.do the same for your frost weapons and power weapons.

[thor1234]

Im not normally one to make digs at anyone but this thread really surprised me..... come on guys at what point of the rules does it describe 'Power Weapons'?? simple answer IT DOESN'T! if you wanna use a 'power' Hammer then go for it, just make sure your opponent knows its a power weapon before hand, Arez makes a good point in painting your 'Power' hammers different to your 'Thunder' Hammers......happy hammering!

[Miktain]

Yeah, I've already decided not to do it, based on responses here, but as said I dont have any Thunder Hammers to begin with, nor any plans to use them. That's why I thought it was weird that people thought it would be confusing. Any hammers in the army would be power weapons, period.

[postal105]

@ thor1234 yes but when you have a situation like one i faced a while back where a guy was proxieing hammers as power weapons as it may not be confusing to the guy using them but it may be confusing to an opponent because i know i have ran into instances when my opponents have been proxieing one weapon for another and i my self had to ask what weapon the guys had again because it looked like one thing and was really another in this case i had an opponent who was using happens as power weapons and as several of the other people i play always use thunder hammers i was consistently asking how is a thunder hammer going at initiative 4 instead of 1.

 

so for the sanity of some either make them look completely different by modifying them or some thing.

 

this is just my personal experience facing a similar thing.

[Miktain]

My question wasn't really about legality. I'm sure it's perfectly legal to table power hammers. If it was supposed to be a power sword or power axe, it wouldn't be called a power "weapon". My question was if I'd get flack for it from other players, because I don't want that hassle. Obviously from this thread, I would.

 

I'm either going to convert to Power Axes, or switch entirely and pay an extra 15 points total for my three Wolf Guard Pack Leaders to have Wolf Claws, which wont confuse anyone.

[hendrik]

screw them! your miniatures, you make them how you want them to be, like a true wolf!

if any of my opponents would give me flack because my space wolf miniatures who costed me 23 pounds are armed with the weapons i want them to be armed with becuase of pure eastic reasons AFTER i tell them these hammers he sees are all powerweapons and NO thunderhammers i would calmly walk over to him, shake his hands and salute him on his flawless victory!

[Arikel]

I think the confusion would be in that thunder hammers are a clearly designed and labelled weapon in the game (even the gw website indicates that the space wolf kit includes thunder hammers), and that essentially it is akin to using a power fist or wolfclaw on your model but buying a power weapon for him on your army list. Power weapons in general are swords or axes, with maces appearing on some uncommon models and sprues, but any weapon is technically acceptable. If you want to use the thunder hammer weapon as a power weapon I would suggest modifying it somehow to make it look different and preferably smaller than a standard thunder hammer, perhaps cutting the length of the shaft in half, for example. If you have an assault squad kit, i would suggest cutting off the axe head of the assault squad power axe and replacing it with the thunder hammer head, the smaller weapon size may help in working with heavily wysiwyg opponents.

[Miktain]

screw them! your miniatures, you make them how you want them to be, like a true wolf!

if any of my opponents would give me flack because my space wolf miniatures who costed me 23 pounds are armed with the weapons i want them to be armed with becuase of pure eastic reasons AFTER i tell them these hammers he sees are all powerweapons and NO thunderhammers i would calmly walk over to him, shake his hands and salute him on his flawless victory!

Here here! Well said my friend.

[Russ Brother 92]

see I often use my Wolf Claws as Power Weapons, I've never had any problems with them as they know that it's a normal - tbh. as hendrik said that at least in friendlies I doubt your opponents would be so tetchy that it matters - obviously if half way through you exclaimed that they're now TH then it'd be stupid but if you've paid the right points and use them as what you've paid for then I see no reason otherwise.

 

At tournies then it's different because 99% are purist WYSIWIG as is understandable.

[Miktain]

see I often use my Wolf Claws as Power Weapons, I've never had any problems with them as they know that it's a normal - tbh. as hendrik said that at least in friendlies I doubt your opponents would be so tetchy that it matters - obviously if half way through you exclaimed that they're now TH then it'd be stupid but if you've paid the right points and use them as what you've paid for then I see no reason otherwise.

 

At tournies then it's different because 99% are purist WYSIWIG as is understandable.

 

Yeah I wouldn't worry in friendlies. But plan to use the army for both friendly and tournies. I already modeled them as Wolf Claws today. Will pay the 15 points difference for the 3 Pack Leaders to use Wolf Claws instead of Power Weapons. They are better in the long run anyways.

 

I do appreciate all the feedback guys. In the long run it probably made my army better. :)