Marshal Rohr Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 The Blood Angels novels were so meh simply because we have had so much other information on the chapter that a civil war and every one dying clashes with our preconceptions. The writing in the novels was stellar. For a different point of view, they were the first things I ever read about the Blood Angels and some of the first books I ever read about 40K. Looking back, at the time I thought the chapter was awesome and couldn't believe they had such a run of bad luck. Then as I read more of the established fluff I felt like they didnt fit. In hindsight they were great novels. If they had been about another successor I dont think there would be as much of an issue, to be honest. If it had been a DIY James had come up with I think some of you might think that was one of the coolest DIYs out there. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247175-hh-fear-to-tread/page/2/#findComment-2992675 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 I've not read the BA novels but I've enjoyed other Swallow books. (Heart of Rage, Eisenstein, oath of moment, legion of one) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247175-hh-fear-to-tread/page/2/#findComment-2992710 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zynk Kaladin Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 I haven't been so excited about another HH book since the trilogy days (and Eisenstein too)! I'm sure Mr. Swallow will do a great job considering his experience. I definitely can't wait to read about my favorite primarch and how he rejected Khorne's influence. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247175-hh-fear-to-tread/page/2/#findComment-2992713 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candleshoes Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 Thats wonderful to hear about Amit being in the novel. That was something that I always secretly hoped to come across in the Heresy. We know that the Flesh Tearers spent 3,000 years after Terra, crusading and punnishing worlds that showed Horus loyalty, before Amit founds the Fortress Monastery on Cretacia. I would estimate that he would have been close to 3,500 years old when he finally dies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247175-hh-fear-to-tread/page/2/#findComment-2992731 Share on other sites More sharing options...
igotsmeakabob!! Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 I that think Swallow has grown as a writer, the HH novels prove that. It's been a long time since the Deus novels. And I think Sanguinius' legs are broken at Signus, and on Terra he breaks the Thirster Lord's back in return. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247175-hh-fear-to-tread/page/2/#findComment-2992802 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimdarkness Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 I that think Swallow has grown as a writer, the HH novels prove that. It's been a long time since the Deus novels.And I think Sanguinius' legs are broken at Signus, and on Terra he breaks the Thirster Lord's back in return. I don,t know if sang was injured at signus but the Blood Thirster killed five hundred Blood Angels with a sweep of his sword causing sang to go into a black rage foreshadowing the future of the legion/chapter,s curse iirc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247175-hh-fear-to-tread/page/2/#findComment-2992958 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANCIENT FALOR Posted February 15, 2012 Author Share Posted February 15, 2012 Personaly i am very excited about this novel. i have been looking forward to it since i read collected visions. its the one event out of the heresy where daemons and astrates go at it for the first time, in a large scale conflict( and there isnt any grey knights to call). i keep remembering the fight between Mhotep and Wsoric. it was an awesome fight. the Signus cluster consisted of 7 planets and 15 moons. So thers alot of daemon bashing to be done. im glad it wont just focus on Signus Prime. Since the whole cluster was under daemonic incursion. Its also exciting that the BA will use their libarians to combat Chaos. Somewhere theyre going to have to fight fire with fire. Reguardless what the emperor said. Im really curious as to the role the Word Bearer will play. as well as how the BA legion was organized and its streangth. in my opinion they are around 90,000. The Red Angel is a really cool concept. How that blood angel came about such a dark fate is tragic. cant wait to see how this honorable warrior fell. i also asked if there would be other legion attachments with the BA. James said he couldnt answer. Be cool if there were some 1k sons in this just me though. There is great potencial that this novel will surpass the others. James Swallow just might surprise alot of people. Hes definately grown as writer someone said. and i agree. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247175-hh-fear-to-tread/page/2/#findComment-2993023 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 I that think Swallow has grown as a writer, the HH novels prove that. It's been a long time since the Deus novels.And I think Sanguinius' legs are broken at Signus, and on Terra he breaks the Thirster Lord's back in return. I don,t know if sang was injured at signus but the Blood Thirster killed five hundred Blood Angels with a sweep of his sword causing sang to go into a black rage foreshadowing the future of the legion/chapter,s curse iirc. Originally, he was supposed to get injured and pass out and that's when we first see the Red Thirst ever in the BA's gene-seed. Then he gets killed and that's when the Black Rage pops up. The Righteous Fury combined with the Ultimate Bloodlust with nothing restraining it. Khorne's gift to the Loyalists. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247175-hh-fear-to-tread/page/2/#findComment-2993053 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereticus81 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 I that think Swallow has grown as a writer, the HH novels prove that. It's been a long time since the Deus novels.And I think Sanguinius' legs are broken at Signus, and on Terra he breaks the Thirster Lord's back in return. I don,t know if sang was injured at signus but the Blood Thirster killed five hundred Blood Angels with a sweep of his sword causing sang to go into a black rage foreshadowing the future of the legion/chapter,s curse iirc. Originally, he was supposed to get injured and pass out and that's when we first see the Red Thirst ever in the BA's gene-seed. Then he gets killed and that's when the Black Rage pops up. The Righteous Fury combined with the Ultimate Bloodlust with nothing restraining it. Khorne's gift to the Loyalists. Not to nitpick but originally there was no mention of Signus Prime or a bloodthirster being reponsible for the black rage, at least in the 2nd ed. Angels of Death codex (Still sat there in pristine condition on my shelf :-D ). At that time the flaw was explained as psychic echoes of the confrontation with Horus contained within the gene seed and blood harvested from Sanguinus wehich would manifest on the eve of battle. I'm not too sure when the Signus Prime thing appeared as I took an extended break from the hobby after having some very expensive, in time and money, models stolen at a games day in the local GW shop. I just started paying attention again as Black Library was really getting going and wondered what the heck Signus Prime was! I do like the Signus prime explanation though I look forward to the Blood Angels getting to Terra and meeting the Sigillite after such exposure to the archenemy ;-). I am looking forward to the Blood Angels getting their own HH book as they're my favourite chapter, I jsut hope it's on the level of Flight of the Eisenstein and not the 40K Blood Angels books which left me a bit underwhelmed. Again sorry if this seems nitpicky Kol_saresk Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247175-hh-fear-to-tread/page/2/#findComment-2993234 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJB Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Can't remember the name, but it was the other captain that accompanied Sanguinius at Nikaea - along with Raldoron. Edit: Hopefully, we'll see why Raldoron was said to be as famous as Abaddon among the Space Marine Legions. At Nikaea Ahriman didn't recognize him, he described the Blood Angel as having a white "face of a killer". In "Horus Rising" (I think), when Sanguinius joined Horus over Murder, Raldoron accompanied the Primarch, identifying the slain, but nothing special as mentioned about him. It was ADB who made him a legend - or rather, stated him to be so - when he wrote that Sevatar was as famous as Abaddon or Raldoron, in "The First Heretic". The Captain killed on Murder was called Thoros Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247175-hh-fear-to-tread/page/2/#findComment-2993347 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 I that think Swallow has grown as a writer, the HH novels prove that. It's been a long time since the Deus novels.And I think Sanguinius' legs are broken at Signus, and on Terra he breaks the Thirster Lord's back in return. I don,t know if sang was injured at signus but the Blood Thirster killed five hundred Blood Angels with a sweep of his sword causing sang to go into a black rage foreshadowing the future of the legion/chapter,s curse iirc. Originally, he was supposed to get injured and pass out and that's when we first see the Red Thirst ever in the BA's gene-seed. Then he gets killed and that's when the Black Rage pops up. The Righteous Fury combined with the Ultimate Bloodlust with nothing restraining it. Khorne's gift to the Loyalists. Not to nitpick but originally there was no mention of Signus Prime or a bloodthirster being reponsible for the black rage, at least in the 2nd ed. Angels of Death codex (Still sat there in pristine condition on my shelf :-D ). At that time the flaw was explained as psychic echoes of the confrontation with Horus contained within the gene seed and blood harvested from Sanguinus wehich would manifest on the eve of battle. I'm not too sure when the Signus Prime thing appeared as I took an extended break from the hobby after having some very expensive, in time and money, models stolen at a games day in the local GW shop. I just started paying attention again as Black Library was really getting going and wondered what the heck Signus Prime was! I do like the Signus prime explanation though I look forward to the Blood Angels getting to Terra and meeting the Sigillite after such exposure to the archenemy ;-). I am looking forward to the Blood Angels getting their own HH book as they're my favourite chapter, I jsut hope it's on the level of Flight of the Eisenstein and not the 40K Blood Angels books which left me a bit underwhelmed. Again sorry if this seems nitpicky Kol_saresk Nah it' okay. I came in when 4th ed for Chaos(boy do I have great timing) was coming out. Read the Deus duology, looked at the website but I was confused about why the Flaw had two names. Since 2nd edition only had one, I'm guessing that 3rd was when it became two because when I looked it up there were two flaws. The Black Rage, which is exactly what you mentioned and then the Red Thirst which is what I mentioned. So we're both right. -_- Actually I don't mind being corrected fluffwise because my fluff knowledge only goes back so far. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247175-hh-fear-to-tread/page/2/#findComment-2993350 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereticus81 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 I that think Swallow has grown as a writer, the HH novels prove that. It's been a long time since the Deus novels.And I think Sanguinius' legs are broken at Signus, and on Terra he breaks the Thirster Lord's back in return. I don,t know if sang was injured at signus but the Blood Thirster killed five hundred Blood Angels with a sweep of his sword causing sang to go into a black rage foreshadowing the future of the legion/chapter,s curse iirc. Originally, he was supposed to get injured and pass out and that's when we first see the Red Thirst ever in the BA's gene-seed. Then he gets killed and that's when the Black Rage pops up. The Righteous Fury combined with the Ultimate Bloodlust with nothing restraining it. Khorne's gift to the Loyalists. Not to nitpick but originally there was no mention of Signus Prime or a bloodthirster being reponsible for the black rage, at least in the 2nd ed. Angels of Death codex (Still sat there in pristine condition on my shelf :-D ). At that time the flaw was explained as psychic echoes of the confrontation with Horus contained within the gene seed and blood harvested from Sanguinus wehich would manifest on the eve of battle. I'm not too sure when the Signus Prime thing appeared as I took an extended break from the hobby after having some very expensive, in time and money, models stolen at a games day in the local GW shop. I just started paying attention again as Black Library was really getting going and wondered what the heck Signus Prime was! I do like the Signus prime explanation though I look forward to the Blood Angels getting to Terra and meeting the Sigillite after such exposure to the archenemy ;-). I am looking forward to the Blood Angels getting their own HH book as they're my favourite chapter, I jsut hope it's on the level of Flight of the Eisenstein and not the 40K Blood Angels books which left me a bit underwhelmed. Again sorry if this seems nitpicky Kol_saresk Nah it' okay. I came in when 4th ed for Chaos(boy do I have great timing) was coming out. Read the Deus duology, looked at the website but I was confused about why the Flaw had two names. Since 2nd edition only had one, I'm guessing that 3rd was when it became two because when I looked it up there were two flaws. The Black Rage, which is exactly what you mentioned and then the Red Thirst which is what I mentioned. So we're both right. :P Actually I don't mind being corrected fluffwise because my fluff knowledge only goes back so far. Merci. I'll still feel bad though if you don't mind as i was being nitpicky there and being british guilt comes easily ;-) My interest in the hobby now is mainly in the fluff as I'm a massive 40k geek but can't afford the hobby anymore thanks to a rapidly encroaching wedding however I often flick through the old codexes, I bought all of them for some reason despite only having a BA+IG army. Looks I need to do research as I didn't know there were 2 flaws. I better get off to the Lexicanum! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247175-hh-fear-to-tread/page/2/#findComment-2993458 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Kezef Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 I that think Swallow has grown as a writer, the HH novels prove that. It's been a long time since the Deus novels.And I think Sanguinius' legs are broken at Signus, and on Terra he breaks the Thirster Lord's back in return. In the fluff from the visions books the Bloodthirster breaks Sang's back and the angel returns the favour on the same bloodthirster at the siege of terra. Sang going down unleashes a precursor to the black rage in the legion, a psychic shockwave that sends them berserk and pulls out a victory. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247175-hh-fear-to-tread/page/2/#findComment-2993573 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 I am very excited about this I hope Raldoron kicks some a$$. It would be pretty cool if some Night Lords show up (BA are one of the major antagonists in the NL novels set in 40K) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247175-hh-fear-to-tread/page/2/#findComment-2993694 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANCIENT FALOR Posted February 16, 2012 Author Share Posted February 16, 2012 I am very excited about thisI hope Raldoron kicks some a$$. It would be pretty cool if some Night Lords show up (BA are one of the major antagonists in the NL novels set in 40K) It would be nice if they fit some night lords or 1k sons. I think its only going to be word bearers on the chaos side as far as I know. There might be attachments of other legions with the BA legion. Not knowing their parent legion is traitor Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247175-hh-fear-to-tread/page/2/#findComment-2993816 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 More Word Bearers. I guess Black Library really wants to show us how serious they are about the sons of Lorgar having a hand in all this. The Alpha Legion must be green with envy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247175-hh-fear-to-tread/page/2/#findComment-2994020 Share on other sites More sharing options...
amaze07 Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 Ya cant wait to read some good info on Roldoran,not much is known about him and hopefully JS can do good no him!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247175-hh-fear-to-tread/page/2/#findComment-2994061 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Hopefully, we'll see why Raldoron was said to be as famous as Abaddon among the Space Marine Legions. At Nikaea Ahriman didn't recognize him, he described the Blood Angel as having a white "face of a killer". I remember the description was something like "pale faced with the eyes of a killer" I think this description was for Thoros though Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247175-hh-fear-to-tread/page/2/#findComment-2994499 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumah Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 Hopefully, we'll see why Raldoron was said to be as famous as Abaddon among the Space Marine Legions. At Nikaea Ahriman didn't recognize him, he described the Blood Angel as having a white "face of a killer". I remember the description was something like "pale faced with the eyes of a killer" I think this description was for Thoros though Raldoron is the one with killer's eyes. Page 310: "Sanguinius had two attendants, one a slender ascetic with a killer's eyes and another with such pale skin that the veins of his face were clearly visible beneath"....."The Primarch turned to introduce the warriors at his side. 'Magnus, this is Raldoron, Chapter Master of my portectors,' said Sanguinius, placing an elegantly sculpted hand on the shoulder of the warrior with the lethal eyes. Next he turned his attention to the warrior with the pale skin. 'And this is Captain Thoros, one of our most vaunted captains of battle.'" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247175-hh-fear-to-tread/page/2/#findComment-2996080 Share on other sites More sharing options...
VidianDrakul Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 I that think Swallow has grown as a writer, the HH novels prove that. It's been a long time since the Deus novels.And I think Sanguinius' legs are broken at Signus, and on Terra he breaks the Thirster Lord's back in return. In the fluff from the visions books the Bloodthirster breaks Sang's back and the angel returns the favour on the same bloodthirster at the siege of terra. Sang going down unleashes a precursor to the black rage in the legion, a psychic shockwave that sends them berserk and pulls out a victory. i have read somewhere that the blood thirster infact broke sang legs and in return he broke his back at the gates to the palace, furthermore i've seen a snippit from aurelian or a book to do with teh word bearers where sanguinius infact kills argel'tal made me wonder if arge'tal is the bloodthirster. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247175-hh-fear-to-tread/page/2/#findComment-3000361 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANCIENT FALOR Posted February 25, 2012 Author Share Posted February 25, 2012 I that think Swallow has grown as a writer, the HH novels prove that. It's been a long time since the Deus novels.And I think Sanguinius' legs are broken at Signus, and on Terra he breaks the Thirster Lord's back in return. In the fluff from the visions books the Bloodthirster breaks Sang's back and the angel returns the favour on the same bloodthirster at the siege of terra. Sang going down unleashes a precursor to the black rage in the legion, a psychic shockwave that sends them berserk and pulls out a victory. i have read somewhere that the blood thirster infact broke sang legs and in return he broke his back at the gates to the palace, furthermore i've seen a snippit from aurelian or a book to do with teh word bearers where sanguinius infact kills argel'tal made me wonder if arge'tal is the bloodthirster. I agree. In collected visions It does state that. I am intrigued about argel Tal and sanguinius. Makes sense argel tal and Raum meeting their end beaneth great wings now. it was never Corax. Cant wait for that though. Im sure we wont see anything relating to that in Fear to Tead Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247175-hh-fear-to-tread/page/2/#findComment-3000899 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Sanguinius's legs were broke by Ka'Bandha at Signus Prime, then the daemon slaughtered its way through 500 BA. The overload of so many BAs dieing knocked out Sanguinius and released/created the Red Thirst in the BA, who then went crazy and destroyed all of the daemons on the planet that didnt run. Black Rage came from Sanguinius's death. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247175-hh-fear-to-tread/page/2/#findComment-3001142 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 And Aurelian states that Argel Tal is supposed to die on Terra fighting beneath the palace. It's stated in the vision he has that is in a cavern-like room with gates large enough to fit two warhound Titans side by side. In the room is a couple hundred Word Bearers fighting Imperial Fists and behind the Word Bearers is a massive Daemon who is said to be Argel Tal. And then it says he dies there. Doesn't say how but it does say that Argel Tal dies on Terra. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247175-hh-fear-to-tread/page/2/#findComment-3001180 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qarassen Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 That sounds good.I'm really looking forward to this novel, I fear it's not going to be as good as Know no Fear (simply because Swallow as good a writer as Abnett). But still I feel the whole thing is completely open. Another thing I fear is how the action in the novel will be. Flight of the Eissenstein had okay action but far from what I would want. Nemesis was a bit better. I must disagree here.. Abnett is not such a good writer. he is to "uneven" if you can call it that.. he is either really good, or really bad. Like Horus rising is Epic, and Legion is total "bull:cuss".. I´m not going to speak about Prospero burn.. omg.. sutch a disaster....... Look att swollows Garro series, Nemesis, the flight of Eisenstein and so on, realy good quality books. As for my opinion, Abnett is the worst writer in HH series if you look at all his works.. An example of this is the movie "Ultramarines", Typical Abnett writing and a total disappointment. Just my opinion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247175-hh-fear-to-tread/page/2/#findComment-3002373 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billuriye Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 I must disagree here.. Abnett is not such a good writer. he is to "uneven" if you can call it that.. he is either really good, or really bad. Like Horus rising is Epic, and Legion is total "bull:cuss".. I´m not going to speak about Prospero burn.. omg.. sutch a disaster....... Legion was bad ? I have to recalibrate my tastes it seems. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/247175-hh-fear-to-tread/page/2/#findComment-3002404 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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